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Sure mate - because you're hoping Cal will be around to pick up the pieces. :p

Nope, my hopes lie on many riders to take the championship as far as possible before the eventual engraving of the trophy.
 
Nope, my hopes lie on many riders to take the championship as far as possible before the eventual engraving of the trophy.

Just takin' the piss. I agree. This is shaping up to be a great season, but MM is going to have to take a dive if others are to play catch-up. I can't express how happy I was to see Dovi and Lorenzo up in 2nd and 3rd this morning. What an impressive change from the previous day.
 
...there is little question that the genesis of the incident was a riding mistake/over-ambitious overtake by Dovi.

I'll question it.

In fact I'd go as far as saying that is a ridiculous conclusion.

That was a standard attempt at a block-pass, though too hot. Lorenzo made a standard cut back to repass. Unfortunately Dani thought he could get through before Jorge gathered it up. He couldn't.

Certainly not a mistake or an over-ambitious move by Dovi.
 
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Rossi was already far off the actual race line while Marc was on it. Rossi didn't know Marc was there as jlo didn't know Dani was there. Or did they? But that's another debate.


from is moany interview.
Today with me.

"I saw on the pit board he go one-second faster than me. I was not strong today. So why didn't he overtake me in the next corner?

So he is actually saying he knew marc was there.
 
I'll question it.

In fact I'd go as far as saying that is a ridiculous conclusion.

That was a standard attempt at a block-pass, though too hot. Lorenzo made a standard cut back to repass. Unfortunately Dani thought he could get through before Jorge gathered it up. He couldn't.

Certainly not a mistake or an over-ambitious move by Dovi.

He ran wide, so if anyone made a mistake it was him.

I think it was a racing incident myself, more than most so dubbed, and Dovi did exactly what he should have done and was perfectly entitled to try in the circumstances. Perhaps Dani was over-eager to take advantage, but the only rider who even had a semi-lose was Dovi.
 
Rossi nowhere in the picture yet half the posts are about him, per usual. The obsession with Rossi on this forum is crazy (from both his fans but even more so his haters).

Have to admit I smiled when I saw Crutchlow go down.
Literally yelled when the Lorenzo/Dovi/Pedro incident happened. Don’t think anyone is exactly to blame, I’d chalk it up as a racing incident.

Excited to see how Ducati does in the later races, they definitely seem to have found something. Crazy how well Lorenzo was making that soft front work.
 
Rossi nowhere in the picture yet half the posts are about him, per usual. The obsession with Rossi on this forum is crazy (from both his fans but even more so his haters).

Have to admit I smiled when I saw Crutchlow go down.
Literally yelled when the Lorenzo/Dovi/Pedro incident happened. Don’t think anyone is exactly to blame, I’d chalk it up as a racing incident.

Excited to see how Ducati does in the later races, they definitely seem to have found something. Crazy how well Lorenzo was making that soft front work.

All posts concerning Rossi during or after the race took place are comparing the incident today with the Argentina incident and overreaction from RD to punish Marquez for what was a racing incident.
 
Rossi nowhere in the picture yet half the posts are about him, per usual. The obsession with Rossi on this forum is crazy (from both his fans but even more so his haters).

Have to admit I smiled when I saw Crutchlow go down.
Literally yelled when the Lorenzo/Dovi/Pedro incident happened. Don’t think anyone is exactly to blame, I’d chalk it up as a racing incident.

Excited to see how Ducati does in the later races, they definitely seem to have found something. Crazy how well Lorenzo was making that soft front work.

Lorenzo's soft front was going off a cliff by the time of the accident. Awful tire choice for circuit surface temperatures over 100F.
 
Rossi nowhere in the picture yet half the posts are about him, per usual. The obsession with Rossi on this forum is crazy (from both his fans but even more so his haters).

Have to admit I smiled when I saw Crutchlow go down.
Literally yelled when the Lorenzo/Dovi/Pedro incident happened. Don’t think anyone is exactly to blame, I’d chalk it up as a racing incident.

Excited to see how Ducati does in the later races, they definitely seem to have found something. Crazy how well Lorenzo was making that soft front work.



Rossi was mentioned because the incident in Argentina was brought up.
 
What a disaster from the Repsol rider, completely dangerous! He is a "goon", it's like he has no spacial awareness when closing up behind a rider. He wasn't ahead, he could have waited a few more corners to pass safely, he was held up so clearly had the pace. He caused a crash because he refused to wait and make a pass safely. This kind of boneheaded manure needs to stop. Someone needs to sit this guy down and scold him! Race Direction need to penalize this kind of lunges that endanger others. I don’t think Race Direction is protecting against reckless riding, it's quite scary for these unprotected riders. He should be banned, suspended, and scrutinized for this type of behavior. Race Direction needs "newerer" rules!


It's as if the universe has decided to give us a beautiful dose of symmetry to highlight what a farce the Rossi Centric Circus has wrought to the sport.

*I blame Rossi/Dorna/Race Direction for the 'racing incident' of Jerez. Here me out.

As to the particulars, Dovi attempts a tentative pass on Lorenzo, both go wide, leaving the door open (or in Krops words, only when it comes to Lorenzo...) "wide" open, Pedrosa takes the space left open reasonably and rightly, according to the acceptable norms of racing, Lorenzo tries to close the line he left open, boom! No ill or deliberate intentions by anyone, if anything perhaps Lorenzo could have waited a bit, easy to say as its a split sec decision, ran wide, but understandably given he was the sausage in a sandwich, with no much room, virdict: RACING INCIDENT, right?

But WHY did this rather rare and odd sequence (3 rider no fault collision) occur? Was there an unseen element that influenced such a development? Let's examine it below.

Second, the glaring similarities to the Argentine 'racing incident' by Marc and Rossi that set the world on fire, is a parallel. Rossi goes wide, leaves the door WIDE open, Marc takes the space rightfully, as per the accepted norms of racing that have existed since the invention of racing. Rarely if ever have these racing incidents been reviewed, much less penalized.

The difference between these two parallels is the indictment I propose above, for these reasons: the Jerez incident was in the heat of battle between 3 riders that were engaged in competitive pace relative to eachother, therefore, there was some influence that pressed upon an added layer of pressure, more on this later. Meanwhile the Argentine incident happened because one rider (Rossi) was comparatively slow, tentative, and taking unorthodox wide lines without the pressure of anyone around him. That is contrasted with the trio of Jerez. In Argentina Rossi was riding painfully slow on his own, obvious was the pace that was achievable that Marc demonstrated. It wasn’t until Marc approached Rossi was this contrast in pace illustrated, however it existed 'before' Marc caught up to this extremely slow rider. When Rossi left the door wide open (a consequence of being close to 4 secs off the pace, in practice a punishable offense) he had been running wide and tentatively this way 'before' Marc approached, but when Marquez was there he rightfully took that space, as per the norms of acceptable racing.

The racing incident was deemed a punishable offense, but not just incorrectly, but a brazen deviation of precedent and routine judgement! This was done in such a way to question the impartially of the authorities. Worse still, one incorrect/ corrupt decision was compounded by making an even worse decision to change the rules of engagement! The "new" rules spawned by a Race Direction have now wrought influence on 24-1 riders. They are tentative to make a pass in the way that is more conventional, actually safer, because of an artificial cloud of scrutiny on race maneuvers.

*Had the Argentine incident been judged correctly a racing incident, spawning "new" rules of engagement, the riders would not have an added layer of pressure to execute passing manoeuvres that require an undue avoidance of contact, at the expense of safety! The once "acceptable" variety of overtaking is dead, that is alluded to from the saying "rubbing is racing". It necessitates further 'threading the needle' that actually leads to a greater chance of a mistake, as we saw at Jerez. All because the racing incident involving Rossi at Argentina precipitated a new layer of scrutiny, further making the delicate dance of overtaking even more difficult to execute to avoid some ........ unpredictable judgment that may see your efforts disqualified, penalized, or worse, make you into the pariah of the media.

Clearly Lorenzo was holding up Dovi and Pedrosa. The added layer of scrutiny wrought by the Argentine debacle and it's ludicrous aftermath played it's role in the incident of Jerez. If it wasn’t already enough pressure for Dovi to make a clean pass on a teammate, the "new" Race Dereliction was thumbing the scale with added pressure. His must have weighed his options, damned if I do, damned if I do! (Not a typo). Between a red rock, and a yellow rock. He chose to lunge, avoiding contact at all cost, as is now required. This maneuver unfortunately resulted in going wide on the overtaking, but so did Lorenzo, leaving the door open, and up until Argentina, that space was rightfully the inside rider's to take.

It is disingenuous, frankly insulting, for Race Direction to even post the screen crawler message, "Incident under review." We all knew, or should know, it's ......... There wasn’t going to be a penalty over a racing incident. The reason they did was because they had to look as if they reviewed it given their glaring and brazen ........ call of the Argentine Racing Incident.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
Completely understandable why Lorenzo didn’t expect Pedrosa to be there. No one would ever expect Pedrosa to attempt a pass

I notice none of the Rossi hating contingent has uttered a peep about “good guy” Dovi, smacking the marshall. If that was Rossi this place would be in full meltdown
 
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