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Completely understandable why Lorenzo didn’t expect Pedrosa to be there. No one would ever expect Pedrosa to attempt a pass

I notice none of the Rossi hating contingent has uttered a peep about “good guy” Dovi, smacking the marshall. If that was Rossi this place would be in full meltdown

I don't think anyone saw this.
.... ....... behaviour from Dovi if he has done that though.
 
All posts concerning Rossi during or after the race took place are comparing the incident today with the Argentina incident and overreaction from RD to punish Marquez for what was a racing incident.
Exactly. And quite honestly, the announcers really pissed-me-off, because: A. If it was Marquez instead of Pedrosa, race direction and the anouncers would have blamed the whole thing on Marquez. And B. If it was Marquez, instead of Dovizioso, they probably would have blamed Marquez, too. The only truly innocent guy was Lorenzo and he ran a GREAT race. I hope he comes back and kicks all their butts, just for the sangria of it.

On another note. The better Suzuki rider, Iannone, again shows how stupid MotoGP can be with his teammate getting a contract, who can't stay on the bike. And it is AMAZING how Rossi always backs his way into points. The guy is determined and lucky as hell.
 
I don't think you can compare the two incidents.

Marquez already had multiple priors that day and had a much faster pace then the field he was cutting through trying to mitigate the points deficit caused by the previous incidents in the day. This is why he was deemed careless and dangerous.

This was a single incident today with NO priors.

Crazy save by marquez on that gravel.
 
Ya, but MM was already punished for another incident in Argentina, where NO ONE CRASHED. How is that fair, exactly? And then at COTA he gets a blocking move called on him. I see a bias. And I think I know why.
 
Take the Jerez Dovi, JLo and Pedrosa incident.....Now replace JLo with Rossi, same exact incident, nothing changes except the rider.....

Now is it still a Racing indicident as many of you have said today?

Just an experiment to see if some of you truly overcome your biases... :)
 
You're in the land of conspiracy if you're thinking the tire was changed for Rossi. The tire change didn't really help Rossi much either. You have to stop thinking Michelin gives a .... about Rossi and understand what they're responsible for while adjusting to being the new tire manufacturer.

Rossi was interested in slowing down Vinales and at the same time helping his pace. Make No Mistake, Rossi started the movement for the tire change . Yamaha made the mistake of letting Rossi be totally self serving when they should have told him to stfu and think about the team. His actions cost Yamaha and Vinales a probable title as Marc nor Dovi could ride that tire to a championship.
 
You obviously don’t under British humor!!
Well, the real humor is in the irony of wanting carbon fiber chassis parts, when Rossi and Burgess stopped Ducati from using them because they were inferior to the known aluminum. But, my whit is drier than most butts.
 
Get a load of the LCR write up of the race.

LCR Honda CASTROL

CRUTCHLOW SLIDES OUT OF CONTENTION IN SPAIN

Cal Crutchlow started the Spanish Grand Prix at the Angel Nieto-Jerez Circuit from pole position, however there was to be no fairy-tale ending for the LCR Honda CASTROL man. He was overtaken on the run up to the first corner but grittily stuck in with the race leaders for the early laps of the race, passing Zarco for fourth and then making progress on the front three.

It was an unfortunate early end to Crutchlow’s race however, on lap eight through turn one he applied the throttle and the front of his factory Honda sadly washed away from him. He remounted, but the damage to his bike was too much and having bravely battled on for several more laps, he was forced to retire from the race.

Crutchlow and the LCR Honda CASTROL Team will hope for better luck at the French Grand Prix at Le Mans in two weeks’ time.

#35 Cal Crutchlow – DNF

“It was frustrating today because we’ve had another good weekend in terms of our pace, but unfortunately our set-up for the race was just not good enough. The front tyre was overheating and I was struggling for more rear grip compare to the others. The pace was yo-yoing a lot and I had to make it all up under braking and that meant the front tyre was getting hot. I had to try and stay out of the slipstream a lot.”

It seems I leant the bike a little too much in turn one, and we think I might have touched the white line but we haven’t had chance to analyse it just yet. It was exactly the same situation as in Texas. It was when I was on the throttle, and if you do that on the white line on full lean…”

“Obviously I’m disappointed, I feel it’s an easy podium let go. Maybe the race win would have been more difficult, but we have to take the positives from the weekend and go to Le Mans knowing we have the speed to be up there again. Today just wasn’t our day.”

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Meh. At least they didn't blame the swingarm, or Lucy's cycle. I think there is a language problem sometimes with Cal, and perhaps we just misinterpret what he means.
 
Meh. At least they didn't blame the swingarm, or Lucy's cycle. I think there is a language problem sometimes with Cal, and perhaps we just misinterpret what he means.

There is no language problem with Cal.

He's a .....
 
Exactly. And quite honestly, the announcers really pissed-me-off, because: A. If it was Marquez instead of Pedrosa, race direction and the anouncers would have blamed the whole thing on Marquez. And B. If it was Marquez, instead of Dovizioso, they probably would have blamed Marquez, too. The only truly innocent guy was Lorenzo and he ran a GREAT race. I hope he comes back and kicks all their butts, just for the sangria of it.

On another note. The better Suzuki rider, Iannone, again shows how stupid MotoGP can be with his teammate getting a contract, who can't stay on the bike. it is AMAZING how Rossi always backs his way into points. The guy is determined and lucky as hell.

Rossi is and has been a points racer for years now. He will win an odd race here and there when things go wrong for other riders but most days he is cruising and accruing.
 
Cal believes in himself which is what he's supposed to do. He's just more vocal about it than most other riders. I think it works against him because it puts extra pressure on him that he doesn't need. When you talk a big game, people are going to expect you to back it up. If Cal was having issues running the pace that the leaders were on he should've backed off a bit, but he had put himself under pressure to show how fast he was and that led him to the gravel trap.
 
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What a disaster from the Repsol rider, completely dangerous! He is a "goon", it's like he has no spacial awareness when closing up behind a rider. He wasn't ahead, he could have waited a few more corners to pass safely, he was held up so clearly had the pace. He caused a crash because he refused to wait and make a pass safely. This kind of boneheaded manure needs to stop. Someone needs to sit this guy down and scold him! Race Direction need to penalize this kind of lunges that endanger others. I don’t think Race Direction is protecting against reckless riding, it's quite scary for these unprotected riders. He should be banned, suspended, and scrutinized for this type of behavior. Race Direction needs "newerer" rules!


It's as if the universe has decided to give us a beautiful dose of symmetry to highlight what a farce the Rossi Centric Circus has wrought to the sport.

*I blame Rossi/Dorna/Race Direction for the 'racing incident' of Jerez. Here me out.

As to the particulars, Dovi attempts a tentative pass on Lorenzo, both go wide, leaving the door open (or in Krops words, only when it comes to Lorenzo...) "wide" open, Pedrosa takes the space left open reasonably and rightly, according to the acceptable norms of racing, Lorenzo tries to close the line he left open, boom! No ill or deliberate intentions by anyone, if anything perhaps Lorenzo could have waited a bit, easy to say as its a split sec decision, ran wide, but understandably given he was the sausage in a sandwich, with no much room, virdict: RACING INCIDENT, right?

But WHY did this rather rare and odd sequence (3 rider no fault collision) occur? Was there an unseen element that influenced such a development? Let's examine it below.

Second, the glaring similarities to the Argentine 'racing incident' by Marc and Rossi that set the world on fire, is a parallel. Rossi goes wide, leaves the door WIDE open, Marc takes the space rightfully, as per the accepted norms of racing that have existed since the invention of racing. Rarely if ever have these racing incidents been reviewed, much less penalized.

The difference between these two parallels is the indictment I propose above, for these reasons: the Jerez incident was in the heat of battle between 3 riders that were engaged in competitive pace relative to eachother, therefore, there was some influence that pressed upon an added layer of pressure, more on this later. Meanwhile the Argentine incident happened because one rider (Rossi) was comparatively slow, tentative, and taking unorthodox wide lines without the pressure of anyone around him. That is contrasted with the trio of Jerez. In Argentina Rossi was riding painfully slow on his own, obvious was the pace that was achievable that Marc demonstrated. It wasn’t until Marc approached Rossi was this contrast in pace illustrated, however it existed 'before' Marc caught up to this extremely slow rider. When Rossi left the door wide open (a consequence of being close to 4 secs off the pace, in practice a punishable offense) he had been running wide and tentatively this way 'before' Marc approached, but when Marquez was there he rightfully took that space, as per the norms of acceptable racing.

The racing incident was deemed a punishable offense, but not just incorrectly, but a brazen deviation of precedent and routine judgement! This was done in such a way to question the impartially of the authorities. Worse still, one incorrect/ corrupt decision was compounded by making an even worse decision to change the rules of engagement! The "new" rules spawned by a Race Direction have now wrought influence on 24-1 riders. They are tentative to make a pass in the way that is more conventional, actually safer, because of an artificial cloud of scrutiny on race maneuvers.

*Had the Argentine incident been judged correctly a racing incident, spawning "new" rules of engagement, the riders would not have an added layer of pressure to execute passing manoeuvres that require an undue avoidance of contact, at the expense of safety! The once "acceptable" variety of overtaking is dead, that is alluded to from the saying "rubbing is racing". It necessitates further 'threading the needle' that actually leads to a greater chance of a mistake, as we saw at Jerez. All because the racing incident involving Rossi at Argentina precipitated a new layer of scrutiny, further making the delicate dance of overtaking even more difficult to execute to avoid some ........ unpredictable judgment that may see your efforts disqualified, penalized, or worse, make you into the pariah of the media.

Clearly Lorenzo was holding up Dovi and Pedrosa. The added layer of scrutiny wrought by the Argentine debacle and it's ludicrous aftermath played it's role in the incident of Jerez. If it wasn’t already enough pressure for Dovi to make a clean pass on a teammate, the "new" Race Dereliction was thumbing the scale with added pressure. His must have weighed his options, damned if I do, damned if I do! (Not a typo). Between a red rock, and a yellow rock. He chose to lunge, avoiding contact at all cost, as is now required. This maneuver unfortunately resulted in going wide on the overtaking, but so did Lorenzo, leaving the door open, and up until Argentina, that space was rightfully the inside rider's to take.

It is disingenuous, frankly insulting, for Race Direction to even post the screen crawler message, "Incident under review." We all knew, or should know, it's ......... There wasn’t going to be a penalty over a racing incident. The reason they did was because they had to look as if they reviewed it given their glaring and brazen ........ call of the Argentine Racing Incident.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.


With that said..... Wait for the addition of rear view systems to be implemented
 
Laura Jordán (MotoGP): Jorge, what happened?
Jorge: I know it's the most shocking thing of the race but I don’t to talk a lot of this. We’re the 3 cleanest riders of MotoGP and today it has been a really unlucky action. Very bad luck, specially for Andrea and for Ducati because they’re fighting for the championship so this is what I dislike the most. Even so, I think that my race it has been a very good race, from the start to the end, with my determination, the speed that I had, etc. This is the most important thing.
Carles Perez (Movistar TV): Great race, do you feel more comfortable with this bike?
Jorge: We still have a lot to find really comfortable. If I was comfortable I would have led the race much more and I would have fought for the victory. Those three tenths are missing and we have to keep working hard, but today I felt very brave and fast and that is a big step. #JL99
 
How much longer before yamaha grow a pair of balls & terminate flopsy, jarvis & Meregalli??? Would love to be the fly on the wall at Iwata HQ,every time Zarco makes the podium & the factory bikes dont..........
 
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Cal believes in himself which is what he's supposed to do. He's just more vocal about it than most other riders. I think it works against him because it puts extra pressure on him that he doesn't need. When you talk a big game, people are going to expect you to back it up. If Cal was having issues running the pace that the leaders were on he should've backed off a bit, but he had put himself under pressure to show how fast he was and that led him to the gravel trap.

This has nothing to do with believing in himself, and has to do with him being an arrogant prick. Think about it, he DEMANDED Honda reward him for everything he's done which I'm hard-pressed to think of what it is he's done other than ruin RCV after RCV while throwing in the odd good finish and a couple of wins over 4 seasons. Demanding from HRC is egotistical and why I dislike him so intensely. He is in no position to be demanding rewards.

Cal needs to accept he isn't a frontrunner. He'll have his day when he is near the front, but he doesn't have the pace of Marquez and should stop trying to ride like he has it. He's a moron, could easily have good finishes and the occasional podium if he didn't try and override the bike. That Argentina win just over-inflated his ego and made him think he is suddenly a top rider which he isn't. He won a mixed conditions race that had it not been for the ride-thru on MM, he wouldn't have come close to winning that race. Of course he did win the race because he took advantage of what was given to him.

Let's see if he learns anything at Le Mans or if he chucks the bike down the road again trying to be something he isn't.
 

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