WRC

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jan 17 2007, 12:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can I correct you on one thing here, I was a major Doohan fan a good bit before 93!

Pete

Kool man, i was just using an example, i had/have no idea how you really feel about doohan and others. I too would agree that Hayden needs to up his game to keep the number 1 plate. Most people say that defending the title is harder than getting it.

I would also say its probable that if gp is as competative this year as it was in 06, that the chance of consistency paying off is larger. I think Hayend himself knows he needs to win more, but his consistency should not suffer because its so effective.

Anyway, i am not too familiar with what you have said about Hayden, but like i saod before, predicting his future fortune is one thing. But too many people seem to be trying to play down a world championship win because he isn't rossi.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 17 2007, 12:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good points, and like any debate, maybe no right or wrong answer. As I was writing up my post about MotoX being more difficult than MotoGP, I was haning out with a friend that is an avid Baseball fan. He argued with me that baseball was "clearly" much more difficult to master than either of the too motorsports. He gave me his reasons, some pretty goo I may add. Which it then dawned on me that the debate has more to do with your personal interests and predujusices rather than the actual "truth" (if one exists).

I think MotoX is the most difficult of the motorsports to master.
You think it MotoGP. (Being that I'm on a MotoGP site, I'm sure most would agree with you obviously).

So it seems, we are to agree to disagree.

As for the Travis vs Rossi debate, the same above reasoning holds true and more so perhaps considering the site. So lets leave it at:

I think Travis is the greatest talent of all motorsports past and present.
Most think Rossi is on this site.

Given the difficulties of this debate, we have to agree to disagree. I suppose there are people out there that think Schumacher is the greatest of all time and other perhaps Sienna. Its painfully obvious the inclinations here, despite evidence to the contrary, all we can do is debate it I guess.

WHAT THE HELL!!! moderators i think someone has hacked into jumkie log in, no way did he write that, "agree to disagree" that aint jumkies style.

Travis is the best free styler no doubt,not seen him in anything else tho, what do you think of seth onslo,man that bloke is as nuts as travis me thinks.
i think rossi and travis just do rally for fun,not sure either would seriously take it up as a career, only time will tell.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 17 2007, 12:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Kool man, i was just using an example, i had/have no idea how you really feel about doohan and others. I too would agree that Hayden needs to up his game to keep the number 1 plate. Most people say that defending the title is harder than getting it.

I would also say its probable that if gp is as competative this year as it was in 06, that the chance of consistency paying off is larger. I think Hayend himself knows he needs to win more, but his consistency should not suffer because its so effective.

Anyway, i am not too familiar with what you have said about Hayden, but like i saod before, predicting his future fortune is one thing. But too many people seem to be trying to play down a world championship win because he isn't rossi.

No bother Tom,

It's all cool!

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jan 16 2007, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm giving a realistic appraisal here.
Are you really? I've spent almost all my time on this site debating perhaps why Hayden deserved his accolade, but few agree. Its rather silly and very narrow minded to only look at one column of the statistics of any rider and make an assessment. However, the predominance of posters (most of which Rossi fans) is obsessed with one or two stats. If we were only to look at championships and wins, Ago would be head and shoulders above Rossi. Period, end of debate. But as intelligent observers, we realize that there are much more explicit and implicit influences and subtlties to the sport. The sport has changed. And so should the way we perceive the accomplishments of the titleholders. Many factors and forces are present every year. But the predominant argument I have seen here is “well Hayden” only won…blablabla. Same old argument without reference to the uniqueness of this season. Which was hugely competitive both rider and top machinery. But I don’t want to get into another Hayden/Rossi debate here on this thread. I’ve already said more than I wanted to but felt compelled to respond to a bit of what you and Phleg were suggesting.

I think the previous reasoning for shelving the Travis vs Rossi or MotoGP vs MotoX debate applies here. It seems it just comes down to what you admire despite what is the reality.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jan 17 2007, 01:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>WHAT THE HELL!!! moderators i think someone has hacked into jumkie log in, no way did he write that, "agree to disagree" that aint jumkies style.

Travis is the best free styler no doubt,not seen him in anything else tho, what do you think of seth onslo,man that bloke is as nuts as travis me thinks.
i think rossi and travis just do rally for fun,not sure either would seriously take it up as a career, only time will tell.

Nope, youre wrong!

Nicky Hayden is the best Freestyler AND future US President AND Rally Driver AND Astronaut AND he wrote all the songs in the US top 10 this week............


Jeez some people just dont get how amazing the guy is...........

Did you know that Rossi has actually never won a race and that it's all bad reporting by biased journalists? I heard he has stabilisers......



Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jan 16 2007, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>WHAT THE HELL!!! moderators i think someone has hacked into jumkie log in, no way did he write that, "agree to disagree" that aint jumkies style.

Travis is the best free styler no doubt,not seen him in anything else tho, what do you think of seth onslo,man that bloke is as nuts as travis me thinks.
i think rossi and travis just do rally for fun,not sure either would seriously take it up as a career, only time will tell.
Sorry man, don’t feel like much fighting today. I doe believe Travis is the best ever living or dead, and I stand by that, but making the case is as difficult as the stunts this guy has pulled off.

Seth is awesome. He still holds the record for the longest jump. 200+ feet. And he almost killed himself trying. When he was “healthy” enough but not according to the advice of his doctors, he got on his bike and tried it again. He made it. I have a lot of respect for guys that try something that within a brief moment, can end in death.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jan 16 2007, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nope, youre wrong!

Nicky Hayden is the best Freestyler AND future US President AND Rally Driver AND Astronaut AND he wrote all the songs in the US top 10 this week............
Jeez some people just dont get how amazing the guy is...........

Did you know that Rossi has actually never won a race and that it's all bad reporting by biased journalists? I heard he has stabilisers......
Pete

Pete, you are on the wrong thread. You need to go back to the Pedrosa thread to post your silly jokes.

Or maybe you are drunk, either way, there is a "Drunk Thread" you can go to buddy.

Jumkie, i think your spot on with the comment about your judgement being affected by what you admire and the predjudice that comes with your opinions.

I mean one of my reasons for putting Travis thingy bob down a notch or two on rossi is because i don't really admire any of his freestyle achievements. I mean it just doesnt register for me as a properley hard sport. And i know its obviously not easy in any way, and there is a lot to it, as there is with any proffesional sport. But when a run lasts 2 minutes and all they do is go into the air and dance, i can't really take it seriously. Its just not why i am into bikes, so i don't care. As far as i am concerned its a circus act not a motorsport.

But tis obvious predjudice makes my opinion of travis 75% invalid, so i'm not gonna protend to know the answer.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 17 2007, 01:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry man, don’t feel like much fighting today. I doe believe Travis is the best ever living or dead, and I stand by that, but making the case is as difficult as the stunts this guy has pulled off.

Seth is awesome. He still holds the record for the longest jump. 200+ feet. And he almost killed himself trying. When he was “healthy” enough but not according to the advice of his doctors, he got on his bike and tried it again. He made it. I have a lot of respect for guys that try something that within a brief moment, can end in death.
Pete, you are on the wrong thread. You need to go back to the Pedrosa thread to post your silly jokes.

Or maybe you are drunk, either way, there is a "Drunk Thread" you can go to buddy.


Oooooh sorry, I'm taking the piss coz folk are getting to serious and defensive

I think you need to go to the drunk thread, pour a drink and chill the .... out.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 16 2007, 05:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But when a run lasts 2 minutes and all they do is go into the air and dance, i can't really take it seriously.

Ouch. You sound like my friend who said what's the big deal about riding a bike around a lookalike road and didn't see why it was interesting. You get my point, right?

One thing I may add here. If you look at the number of people trying to duplicate the feat, say a fast lap verses a superman seat grab while flipping in the air. You must admit of all those trying, virtually very few can duplicate what Travis has done, and NONE (zero) have duplicated the double back flip. However, many duplicate and surpass the fast lap virtually every year. There is something to say for that, when nobody can duplicate what you have done while many are trying to.

By the way, I socked my friend in the mouth for saying that about roadracing.

Like i said, my predjudice reduces the value of my opinion greatly. And i must agree that there is no doubt that travis is much better than his competition, which naturally makes him special.

But as far as he goes personally, i won't start watching till he makes waves in WRC. And as for his depth of talent, that boild down to how i feel about mot-x and we have already agreed to disagree.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jan 16 2007, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oooooh sorry, I'm taking the piss coz folk are getting to serious and defensive

I think you need to go to the drunk thread, pour a drink and chill the .... out.

Pete
Oh don't get me wrong Pete. I love to see you make a fool of yourself. I was just hoping we could do it on the Pedrosa thread. Please. "defensive" naw man, I'm way beyond that being the lone Hayden fan as you say. You've managed to scare all the other ones off. Screw them, they were not up to the task to keep the likes of you inline.

Have another drink buddy, your 6 brain cells are thirsty.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 17 2007, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>One thing I may add here. If you look at the number of people trying to duplicate the feat, say a fast lap verses a superman seat grab while flipping in the air. You must admit of all those trying, virtually very few can duplicate what Travis has done, and NONE (zero) have duplicated the double back flip. However, many duplicate and surpass the fast lap virtually every year. There is something to say for that, when nobody can duplicate what you have done while many are trying to.

The thing about that is roadracing bikes develop so quickly, they're always going faster and faster, which means lap records just get broken over and over again. Take for example, Schwantz. Arguably the most naturally talented GP racer ever (but not the smartest). He could have set a cracking lap at Donington on his RGV in 1993 that no man on the same machine would ever be able to beat. But give an average rider a 2006 RCV and watch Schwantz's hard earned record dissapear.
Not that I'm trying to take anything away from freestylers, the inhuman Pastrana in particular, but I just thought that point should be made. No amount of traction control or development will make a double backflip much easier.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 17 2007, 02:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh don't get me wrong Pete. I love to see you make a fool of yourself. I was just hoping we could do it on the Pedrosa thread. Please. "defensive" naw man, I'm way beyond that being the lone Hayden fan as you say. You've managed to scare all the other ones off. Screw them, they were not up to the task to keep the likes of you inline.

Have another drink buddy, your 6 brain cells are thirsty.


Donrt drink during the week mate, sorry.

Anyway, as ever you managed to ignore another of my points coz you got ll excited about Haystack.

Stephane Peterhansel......

I'm off to open a new thread here.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jan 17 2007, 12:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm certainly not saying we've seen the last of Hayden, what I am saying is that he really has to up his game here, if he wants to keep that No1 on his bike. I would be very surprised if 2 wins was good enough next year, so he has to up his game or forget keeping the title, and I'm not just talkng about Rossi here, No one could deny that on his day, Capirossi was amazing, but, he didnt get the luck this time. and he's not the only one!
Spot on Pete, there is a lot more to 2007 than Hayden winning over/under two races or Rossi coming back. Capirossi will prove to be very fast consistently, same goes for Melandri and Pedrosa. Hayden and Rossi will have their hands full at all times.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 17 2007, 01:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>One thing I may add here. If you look at the number of people trying to duplicate the feat, say a fast lap verses a superman seat grab while flipping in the air. You must admit of all those trying, virtually very few can duplicate what Travis has done, and NONE (zero) have duplicated the double back flip. However, many duplicate and surpass the fast lap virtually every year. There is something to say for that, when nobody can duplicate what you have done while many are trying to.
Just for arguments sake, there haven't been any major freestyle events since X Games when Pastrana did the double. It's possible Adams or Deegan have been working on the move in the off season and will come back next year with a no handed double. Just as many of the 2006 MotoGP lap records still stand as no riders have ridden the tracks since.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 17 2007, 02:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh don't get me wrong Pete. I love to see you make a fool of yourself. I was just hoping we could do it on the Pedrosa thread. Please. "defensive" naw man, I'm way beyond that being the lone Hayden fan as you say. You've managed to scare all the other ones off. Screw them, they were not up to the task to keep the likes of you inline.

Have another drink buddy, your 6 brain cells are thirsty.
Still a Hayden fan. I've just taken a fair bit of time away from the site. Moving, classes etc.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Jan 17 2007, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spot on Pete, there is a lot more to 2007 than Hayden winning over/under two races or Rossi coming back. Capirossi will prove to be very fast consistently, same goes for Melandri and Pedrosa. Hayden and Rossi will have their hands full at all times.
Just for arguments sake, there haven't been any major freestyle events since X Games when Pastrana did the double. It's possible Adams or Deegan have been working on the move in the off season and will come back next year with a no handed double. Just as many of the 2006 MotoGP lap records still stand as no riders have ridden the tracks since.
Still a Hayden fan. I've just taken a fair bit of time away from the site. Moving, classes etc.
a no handed double back flip..that i gota see.
you a hunter s thomson fan ooost, funny cos theres another forum membe who has jonny dep out of fear and loathin in las vages as there avitar. good writer ,funny film

The man is a genius with words. I really enjoy his work.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Jan 17 2007, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The man is a genius with words. I really enjoy his work.
you meen was,blew his brains out a while back with his 44 magnum because he didn't want to get old, genius or madman,fine line. i read a book by sonny barger ,the bloke who started the hells angels and he talks about hunter in there who hung out with them while he wrote a book on them so i read his to. great read if you havnt read it already.

sorry im off topic,but there you go.

Yeah, too bad really. I've forgotten all the details now but I recall he had some sort of belief that living a life that is never in danger was no way to live. No doubt he was a mad man, sounds like he was a pleasure to be around whether it was Raoul Duke or Hunter Thompson.

I actually read Hunter's "Hells Angels" while in Valencia last fall. Really a good read.

Rossi I dont think will go to WRC. 1 reason It's not a challenge to him. he said thats why he did not go to ferrari. that with cars there is not as much imput or feedback needed just to go fast. he really likes the challenge of 2 wheels. just look at his life when he started out on the minibikes mom thought he would get hurt. so she put him into go carts. yeah he kicked but as usuall. but his love was the bikes so hence there he goe's. and there you go. in nut shell. plain and simple. brought to you by the GREAT AND POWERFULL OZ.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R-46 @ Jan 22 2007, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi I dont think will go to WRC. 1 reason It's not a challenge to him. he said thats why he did not go to ferrari. that with cars there is not as much imput or feedback needed just to go fast. he really likes the challenge of 2 wheels. just look at his life when he started out on the minibikes mom thought he would get hurt. so she put him into go carts. yeah he kicked but as usuall. but his love was the bikes so hence there he goe's. and there you go. in nut shell. plain and simple. brought to you by the GREAT AND POWERFULL OZ.



It could be that, or it could be the fact that he wouldn't win in F1.