Will Hayden ever win a race for Ducati?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Nov 13 2008, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you the author of that history book? I've never seen that book. The title must be: "how hayden sucks: my hateful opinion presented as fact"

Anyway, your failure to address Andy Roo's points directly suggests that you cannot address his points. You have no points.

i suggest you get used to it as hayden is a deeply disliked figure betwen many MotoGP fans. there's no any roo's points here, he is just another pathetic hayden's advocate who's in delusion that hayden deserved 2006 championship

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Nov 13 2008, 07:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>OWNED.

like casey was by melandri.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 13 2008, 06:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>All Hayden like/dislike aside, do you really believe team chemistry will be any better next season with Dovizioso. There is already rumor of Puig and Pedrosa ignoring Dovi in the hospitality area. Dovi is a great rider and has a more compatible style to Pedrosa. So things should be happy-go-lucky in the Repsol garage next season, right?

"Any type of sport is like a war. Let’s not fool ourselves, this is a highly competitive world in which everyone defends his/her own plot and tries to benefit"

hayden and his fans clearly doesn't understand that. and they moaned. hayden moaned because he failured to deal with dani's speed and he becomed factor of instability in the team.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Nov 13 2008, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"Any type of sport is like a war. Let’s not fool ourselves, this is a highly competitive world in which everyone defends his/her own plot and tries to benefit"

hayden and his fans clearly doesn't understand that. and they moaned. hayden moaned because he failured to deal with dani's speed and he becomed factor of instability in the team.

how is this relevant to whether or not hayden will win for ducati?

that is relevant for ducati as a team. when stoner start to kick his ... hayden probably will apply that same tactics and turn fantastic atmospfere which ducati now has into something similary to honda when he has been there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Nov 13 2008, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>that is relevant for ducati as a team. when stoner start to kick his ... hayden probably will apply that same tactics and turn fantastc atmospfere which ducati now has into something similary as in honda.

thats not what your post said.



try again.

Been away for a while and this was the first thread I opened, wow, what a lot of detritus to ingest.

First, yes it is conceivable that Nick could win a race in '09. Not likely, but conceivable. Definitely a good shot at podium(s) in the US venues.

Next, most members are pretty quick on the uptake are aren't lacking the ability to distinguish crap from debate. I was a little surprised at the mods' reaction but understand now that they are trying to establish a protocol. Frankly though, I believe the WARNING should be directed at those who are obviously adding no value, and in my opinion trolling, and not at the thread itself. The rest of us can either chose to amuse ourselves in the off season by responding or ignore the dreck as Jumkie said.

I don't know ..... about Admin or Mod myself but Sally's suggestions seem to sense.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Nov 13 2008, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>that is relevant for ducati as a team. when stoner start to kick his ... hayden probably will apply that same tactics and turn fantastic atmospfere which ducati now has into something similary to honda when he has been there.
I can think of at least 5 ducati riders offhand who did not find the atmosphere fantastic in the last 2 years, and if hayden disrupts the ducati garage for stoner then this will be an error of judgement by casey who pushed for him to join the team.

Similarly, it could be argued that valentino made an error of judgement or at least underestimated nicky, as he was well aware of nicky's ability and the whole point of him going to yamaha of his own free will was reputedly to show that he could beat hrc on an inferior bike, not that I recall him complaining in any case.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Nov 13 2008, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can think of at least 5 ducati riders offhand who did not find the atmosphere fantastic in the last 2 years, and if hayden disrupts the ducati garage for stoner then this will be an error of judgement by casey who pushed for him to join the team.

unfortunately casey yet don't have so much influence that he can choose his teammate. even rossi don't have that sort of influence anymore, lorenzo as his teammate proves that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Similarly, it could be argued that valentino made an error of judgement or at least underestimated nicky,

wrong. yamaha underestimated honda in that certain year (2006). rossi annihilated hayden on track that season as in every other.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Nov 13 2008, 02:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>that is relevant for ducati as a team. when stoner start to kick his ... hayden probably will apply that same tactics and turn fantastic atmospfere which ducati now has into something similary to honda when he has been there.

You are a moron. How old are you? 15? Still got your panties in a twist? Did you even see the 2006 season? or did you look it up on wikipedia a couple of weeks ago?

Go find another hobby other than trolling.





p.s. sorry for taking the troll bait everyone

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Nov 12 2008, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yamaha donated that title to hayden. deal with it. if you can't go away. his title is a fluke. no questions about that. how much podiums he had after that comedian 2006 championship? answer is 5 from 34 races... on factory honda's bike. rookie dovi on satellite honda humiliated hayden even on laguna. hayden's territory you know. blame puig for that too?

This is assholic. If Yamaha did well - they earned part of the credit for the win. If Yamaha did .... - they lost part of the credit for the win. That's racing. Get over it moron. When Rossi made his deal with Yamaha - he made a contract for Yamaha and him to work together as a team to win. They didn't do the homework and they lost <u>As A Team</u>. Tough ...... It's racing. You can rant on and on but you will never convince anyone here of your case. You're the only one who believes your delusions. The rest of the world knows what is and what ain't. Stop boring us with your ......... Nobody cares what you think. You thinks your insults are hurtful but you're like a starving dog barking at an elephant.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (two-stroke @ Nov 13 2008, 04:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did you even see the 2006 season?

unfortunately i am you jester. most farcing season in the history of this sport... rossi lost more than 50 points due to the unreliable m1, won 5 races on that shitbox vs. hayden's 2 on superior and perfect realiable honda's machine.... melandri, that man who is outclassed by stoner this season, won 3 races on honda's satellite ....... more than hayden who's had a factory ride... hayden had one fair & square win in 17 races despite he rode best bike on the grid... assen was gifted by colin so don't count... he's only been capable to won on laguna, outside his beloved usa he was a .......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Nov 13 2008, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is assholic. If Yamaha did well - they earned part of the credit for the win. If Yamaha did .... - they lost part of the credit for the win. That's racing. Get over it moron. When Rossi made his deal with Yamaha - he made a contract for Yamaha and him to work together as a team to win. They didn't do the homework and they lost <u>As A Team</u>. Tough ...... It's racing. You can rant on and on but you will never convince anyone here of your case. You're the only one who believes your delusions. The rest of the world knows what is and what ain't. Stop boring us with your ......... Nobody cares what you think. You thinks your insults are hurtful but you're like a starving dog barking at an elephant.

rossi done his homework. he kicked hayden's ... on track as he done in every other season. yamaha ...... up, that's a fact.

if i am boring to you simple don't read this thread and go .... yourself you muppet.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Nov 13 2008, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>go .... yourself you muppet.

oh baby's getting aggressive now

where did you learn those rude words?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#41 @ Nov 9 2008, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Put World Championship on side, he is not capable for that. 2006 doesn't count, Hayden certainly is flukiest WC ever.

Now, will he ever win a race for Duc? Of course I mean win in a straigh fight with Rossi, Casey, Lorenzo, Dovi & Pedrosa... not on that what Capi is done at Motegi 2006.
i reckon nicky will win a race or 2 on the duc but i think it will come towards the end of the season when he has the bike set up just right.

People, please stop with the whole IP thing. This was my excerpt taken from the Bayliss thread.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>It's impossible to ban someone completely. There are ways to make it very difficult for a vandal/troll to get back on but that takes some work.
1. Ban IP or Subnet - does nothing, easy workarounds
2. Ban ISP - may lose other members
3. Ban his EMail address - obvious workaround to this
4. Then ban all free email addresses - Limits new blood on board
5. Approved registration - takes a lot of manpower
6. And I hate to say it - heavily moderate the forums
7. Close registration

The best button ever is the "IGNORE" button. Allows freedom. The member has full control to Ignore those posters that it wants to. Hell, I don't even know if Jum will be able to see this . Once the mods take over then its just like any other forum. Now don't get me wrong, it can, at some point get out of control.

At the sake of playing devils advocate, it is the offseason and these threads are keeping it rolling for me. A little banter and piss mixed in with some logical discussion is awesome. Of course this forum is NC17+ and I would ban it from any 0-14 year old but it's too good to start changing things for the sake of one or two disgruntled members. Can't satisfy everyone.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Nov 13 2008, 07:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"Any type of sport is like a war. Let’s not fool ourselves, this is a highly competitive world in which everyone defends his/her own plot and tries to benefit"

hayden and his fans clearly doesn't understand that. and they moaned. hayden moaned because he failured to deal with dani's speed and he becomed factor of instability in the team.
I agree wholeheartedly, you defend what's yours and try to benefit from anything you can. That's why there are teams. Although a rider should always be motivated to beat his teammate as you can draw direct comparisons from one another, working with your teammate is far more beneficial to both riders than not. Pedrosa and Hayden both know this. This is why Pedrosa was given access to Hayden's data while Pedrosa's data was available only to him. Again, if you think the atmosphere in that garage will turn all hunky-doory with the introduction of Dovi then you are delusional. And I say that as someone who rather likes Dovi.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Nov 13 2008, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>unfortunately i am you jester. most farcing season in the history of this sport... rossi lost more than 50 points due to the unreliable m1, won 5 races on that shitbox vs. hayden's 2 on superior and perfect realiable honda's machine.... melandri, that man who is outclassed by stoner this season, won 3 races on honda's satellite ....... more than hayden who's had a factory ride... hayden had one fair & square win in 17 races despite he rode best bike on the grid... assen was gifted by colin so don't count... he's only been capable to won on laguna, outside his beloved usa he was a .......
In 2006 Pedrosa and Melandri were on the same spec bike. Are you suggesting that Pedrosa was on a satellite spec RC211V while in the Repsol garage? Although the 211V was a reliable machine, the Evo had a very peculiar clutch. This made starts a nightmare for Hayden, often dropping outside the top five after the start and forcing him to work his way back to the front. In the previous season the Evo machine was scrapped by both Gibernau and Biaggi. Both riders were very uncomfortable on it and could not nearly match their times set on the standard RC211V. You are aware of the two incarnations of the RC211V that were around from 2005 to 2006, right?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 13 2008, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree wholeheartedly, you defend what's yours and try to benefit from anything you can. That's why there are teams. Although a rider should always be motivated to beat his teammate as you can draw direct comparisons from one another, working with your teammate is far more beneficial to both riders than not. Pedrosa and Hayden both know this. This is why Pedrosa was given access to Hayden's data while Pedrosa's data was available only to him. Again, if you think the atmosphere in that garage will turn all hunky-doory with the introduction of Dovi then you are delusional. And I say that as someone who rather likes Dovi.

i don't except lovely atmosphere in repsol garage next season but atmosphere definitively will be better than with hayden. hayden was a non-competitive moaner, dovi is competitive beast.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>In 2006 Pedrosa and Melandri were on the same spec bike. Are you suggesting that Pedrosa was on a satellite spec RC211V while in the Repsol garage?

they've never been identically equipped.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>You are aware of the two incarnations of the RC211V that were around from 2005 to 2006, right?

i am aware that at least 4 riders would comfortably won title on that bike long before last race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Nov 13 2008, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>rossi done his homework. he kicked hayden's ... on track as he done in every other season. yamaha ...... up, that's a fact.

if i am boring to you simple don't read this thread and go .... yourself you muppet.


You're as obtuse as can be. Rossi didn't win. Yamaha didn't win. Hence the the team as whole
did not win. It's a team effort. You can be as nasty as you want - everyone here knows you
have your head up your .... Notice how nobody here (other than your other illiterate alter-ego)
is jumping to your defense??? You're one of those bitter crazies who live and die alone raging
at everybody - while the rest of us actually live in the real world. So no insult of yours will ever
have any impact. While we're all at the barbeque having beers together - you'll be sitting in
your basement apartment alone in front of your computer trying to "upset" everyone. Nice life
you got there chum. So go ahead and post your nonsense and hate everybody as much as you
want. The only suffering you're causing is yours. You can make up as many phoney identities as
you want; they're all gonna die a lonely friendless death.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Nov 13 2008, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Notice how nobody here is jumping to your defense???

that is exactly what i want. i would be concerned if any member on this mainly hayden's fanatics board stand up for me in this topic.