Why Dani Pedrosa Is Still On The Factory Team?

BarryMachine said:

...Arab. Your writing is of crap quality.

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If you think its crap then it's good enough for me... a monkey has better keyboard skills than you BM!

Arrabbiata1 said:

Perhaps the odd sprinkling of an emoticon would embelish it Barry

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Well it most certainly would be a good start ........ though I suspect you still don't get it, you could put some emoticons on the back of a toilet door but why would you!! the clientele is just wrong



Unless its these ones

Mick D said:

If you think its crap then it's good enough for me... a monkey has better keyboard skills than you BM!

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Its not the keyboard .... there's mostly nothing wrong with my keyboard, nor my operation of that keyboard, its what I tell it to do that seems to be the real problem .

michaelm said:

Stuff and nonsense barry, or at least pure speculation. The current pedrosa gets completely smashed by lorenzo. The previous pedrosa always got utterly smashed by rossi. Unless valentino really does have permanently disabling injuries, imo the fact that he can't ride a ducati as I suspect would be the case for lorenzo and pedrosa like everybody else except stoner makes it difficult to impute that he would no longer be able to ride a yamaha, which he was able to do with some proficiency post his early 2010 injuries as recently as late 2010, or the last time he was on one.

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Spot on as usual Michael. I have been following this forum for a couple of years now and your posts in my opinion are generally spot on. To suggest that Pedrosa is a better rider than Rossi is crazy talk. No one is intimidted on the track by Pedrosa, least of all the top two. He is the perennial bridesmaid of MotoGP. Always on excellent equipment, no championships. As a Stoner fan (always have been) it would be very convenient of me to see Pedders as superior to the 'Arch Nemesis' but it simply isn't the case. Make no mistake, Rossi would still be plenty competitive on the Honda or Yam, he just can't ride the Ducati worth a ....

joelyjoel said:

Spot on as usual Michael. I have been following this forum for a couple of years now and your posts in my opinion are generally spot on. To suggest that Pedrosa is a better rider than Rossi is crazy talk. No one is intimidted on the track by Pedrosa, least of all the top two. He is the perennial bridesmaid of MotoGP. Always on excellent equipment, no championships. As a Stoner fan (always have been) it would be very convenient of me to see Pedders as superior to the 'Arch Nemesis' but it simply isn't the case. Make no mistake, Rossi would still be plenty competitive on the Honda or Yam, he just can't ride the Ducati worth a ....

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So you guys just know that Rossi would be better than Pedro on a Honda do you? Got a logical argument for that? or even a trail of semi logical arguments showing that? ........... No?



Telling Michael he is "spot on" legitimizes it does it?



I beg to differ, ......... and so too it seems does Honda , and since they have the final say ........ your argument is shot, until they do see your point of view.



Spot on Honda!

Also i would say to my mate basspete, the biggest question for him to ponder is whether Rossi will race a Subaru or Ford next year. I think he's done. All he's doing on the Ducati now and for the forseeable future is taking an axe to his impressive stats. And i think he is definitely the kind of guy that cares about that stuff. Multiple seasons with no wins or podiums doesn't look so good in the history books.

BarryMachine said:

So you guys just know that Rossi would be better than Pedro on a Honda do you? Got a logical argument for that? or even a trail of semi logical arguments showing that? ........... No?



I beg to differ.

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Come on Barry, Rossi would ride Pedrosa into the ground. What, 15 (i think) wins in 7 seasons on the factory Honda. Jesus, it doesn't read well.

joelyjoel said:

Come on Barry, Rossi would ride Pedrosa into the ground. What, 15 (i think) wins in 7 seasons on the factory Honda. Jesus, it doesn't read well.

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Hey don't argue with me about it, see Mr Nakamoto San he may be swayed, me ...... I'm pretty set in my view.

To be honest, i think Nakamoto could be swayed. He probably wouldn't threaten Casey too much these days championship wise and he's worth a mint in sponsorship and exposure. Makes good business sense.

BarryMachine said:

So you guys just know that Rossi would be better than Pedro on a Honda do you? Got a logical argument for that? or even a trail of semi logical arguments showing that? ........... No?



Telling Michael he is "spot on" legitimizes it does it?



I beg to differ, ......... and so too it seems does Honda

, and since they have the final say ........ your argument is shot, until they do see your point of view.



Spot on Honda!

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No barry, you are the one who said without any logical argument that pedrosa would beat rossi if he was back on a yamaha. As I said it is all speculation, on my part as well as yours, but if rossi could mostly beat pedrosa on a yamaha with dani on a honda for the years 2006 to 2010, and lorenzo can beat him on a yamaha now, why would dani now beat rossi back on a yamaha, unless you have been lying and really do think the current honda is vastly superior to the current yamaha and lorenzo is hence superior to stoner and rossi?



Honda as recently as 2009, when as I recall they had pedrosa riding for them, said publically that they would like to hire stoner or rossi. Now they have stoner as defending world champion, it is vaguely possible that there are reasons other than them thinking pedrosa is better than rossi for not wanting to hire rossi, if he is indeed available to them in the first place, the cubic dollars that might need to be involved for a start. In any case my comments were restricted to rossi back on a yamaha; I don't think the honda would suit him as well, although still much better than the ducati does. If you really want to speculate, I actually think dani would do better on a factory yamaha than he does on a factory honda.

Arrabbiata1 said:

Thank .... you never saw my 15 reasons to dislike Max Biaggi post some years back.

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If Honda don't want Rossi back, it would be purely for political reasons. NOT performance reasons. What a dream team, Stoner and Rossi in Repsol colours. Constructors championship would be sealed by round 10. Marketing championship would be sealed by round 1

cliché guevara said:

repost please

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NOOOOOOOO!!!!! Please ................ shhhhhhhhhh



Its enough that the toilet door is grafitti'd !! do we need to fill the walls too!!??

joelyjoel said:

If Honda don't want Rossi back, it would be purely for political reasons. NOT performance reasons. What a dream team, Stoner and Rossi in Repsol colours. Constructors championship would be sealed by round 10. Marketing championship would be sealed by round 1

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You don't think Honda have been through that as an option? Honda have a few dollars at stake in such decisions, real dollars, not emotional fan based play dollars ( thats what we throw around ) Honda aren't buying Rossi for a reason, and it does involve REAL dollars. I know there is a lot of "pie in the sky" figures floating around about Rossi's worth, but I remind you that back in 2010 even Yamaha would not pay what Ducati did for Rossi, they had a reason for that. Its not that Rossi has got worse either, more that the competition has "come of age".

For better or worse, he's still the most marketable rider out there. Case in point, on the MotoGP site right now, every time they have a photo for a promotion E.g MotoGP fantasy manager it's Stoner, Lorenzo and Rossi. He clearly isn't coming third in the championship ATM so why is he always in promotions. You won't see a feature titled 'Ask Pedrosa' will you. He's worth 'real' world big bucks. How many major sponsors on the side of Yamahas last year? None, zero, zilch. Coincidence? I think not.

bluegreen said:

Alex Criville

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Sorry, 1999 slipped through my researches, But give me a break please, Criville was the only spanish motogp champion on the repsol Honda, so being a spanish champion on a repsol Honda is not an event that happens every two years or so and by the way Pedrosa still carries the old stupid ........ mid season injury stories with him that ..... up the whole season. It took Criville 5 years to win the championship and in 2010, Pedrosa's fifth season on Motogp, Dani was the runner up despite loosing the end of the season. All I'm trying to say is "the repsol being spanish" thing is not a very good reason to keep the guy on the factory bike.

BarryMachine said:

So you guys just know that Rossi would be better than Pedro on a Honda do you? Got a logical argument for that? or even a trail of semi logical arguments showing that?

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Says the king of dissociative cognition. Ya may not be logical B, but ya got cajones...

Faster1 said:

~ great read all

but my general question, which there might not be an answer here, is ,, Why would Honda want another rider so close to their number one rider? There can only be one #1 (highlander classic),,, and years later, who remembers (or gives a sht) who comes in second or third? I would think that Dani is under no pressure to do any (or much) better than he's doing now. Hypothetically, and it's a stretch , if Marquez does graduate and is ultimately fighting up front with Stoner, and the result is the not-so-rare battle which compromises both their results,,, why would that be desired by Honda?

And at 3 races in, who's Chrystal ball says Dani won't come strong an win a few,, or at least pip Lorenzo a few times. I don't think that he like the new liter bike quite yet , but he'll adapt.



And for the record, I see nothing that shows me that Marquez would be faster or as fast as Dani in gp. Fast on a little bike, then fast on a big bike has been proven a few times, not to be a guarantee.

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Nice rational post. Welcome to Powerslide.

cliché guevara said:

actually i tend to agree with mt, can't remember him being an ... towards dovi and for sure he's great for the main sponsor.



i can't blame hondas mistakes during 06-08 on pedrosa, apart from estoril 06 i never thought he was being an ...

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Repsol keeps him on salary because they want to keep a lock on the Spanish fans. But if Marquez does turn out to be effective

on a big bike - I imagine Honda would let him go. Pedrosa may have the right passport - but Honda and Repsol must be tired of

him being an also-ran. Pedrosa may be of the right nationality but marketing-wise he's a dud. He always looks fearful and apprehensive like a little kid anticipating being smacked by his old man. He always seems nervous or angry and resentful. Marquez has a much more camera ready, appealing personality. On the other hand if Stoner hangs up his leathers in 2014 Repsol would doubtless love having two Spanish

riders.

Keshav said:

Pedrosa may be of the right nationality but marketing-wise he's a dud.

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For Repsol .......... a Spanish company ........... that sells its product to Spanish people .................. a dud!!???



You think Rossi would sell more in Repsols client base?



Stoner ?



Hayden ?



Never.





Saw a Repsol Rep. the other day in Australia though ....... so who knows?