Why Dani Pedrosa Is Still On The Factory Team?
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Several reasons why:
1/ You haven't been watching this sport for long because if you had you would be aware of what a fighter he was in 125 and 250GP
2/ In fact you haven't been watching at all
3/ You have the retention of an amoeba
Obtain 2008 season DVD. I'm adamant that was Dani's year - wasn't to be due to the crash in the wet at Sachsenring - Uncle Alberto to blame again. Also watch, off the top of my head, Estoril 2010, and Sachsenring 2006 - Pedrosa in his inaugural year on a 990 giving as good as he got. That in particular was one of the greatest GP races of the decade.
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I think Sachsenring is one of the tracks he is good at it, It has been his territory for the last two years. And about his 2006 year, I watched Shanghai, Donnington, Jerez and Brno, I think he was brilliant in every 4 of them. In this case I have to watch the German grandprix of that year too. In my opinion that year He was riding more aggressive with the 990cc then the way he is riding this year on the 1000cc.
Who is this 'Honda' that would do this?
Repsol Honda is a race team. It is supplied with motorcycles by HRC.
That year there were three factory riders, with three crew chiefs, 8 engineers/mechanics each and a couple of shared data/acquisition guys. As well as that they have secretaries, logistics guys, tyre engineers, suspension specialists, brake specialists... PR people, riders assistants, managers and groupies.
All three crews and ancillaries report to the Team Principal - Shuhei Nakamoto - who is also a Vice President at HRC, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Honda Motor Company Ltd.
If there was a decision to 'dial down' Dovi's electronics, I suspect that around 50 of those highly trained engineers and mechanics and ancillaries would know. They spend 10 months of the year living, working, eating and socialising with each other. To say that something as basic and yet as monumental to a RACE team could happen and not become public knowledge very quickly is ludicrous.
We have seen what happens in Spain and Italy when their chosen hero doesn't perform to expectation - it can't possibly be for lack of talent, it HAS to be a conspiracy.
Witness a certain V.Rossi... Hayden's getting the good gear, doncha know!
I agree - he could.
Would he? I think for that to happen Honda would need to keep ahead of Yamaha in performance at every track, all year. Which may be possible - they have managed it before, but so far this year he has finished behind Jorge at every race, on supposedly inferior (only a bit!) equipment.
Lorenzo is a fierce competitor and nowhere more fierce than in retaining his No.1 Spaniard jersey.
I would suspect you would need to see a real break in form for Dani to consistently beat him race after race.
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I'm making this up based on rumours and speculation. I have no source or reference. It was not so much that Dovi wasnt getting equal machinery. It was more that Honda had a strategy of saving as much fuel as possible on corner entry and burning the savings on exit. This stratgey caused corner entry issues like chatter, and Dovi is said to have requested a smoother corner entry setting ala Yamaha. He wanted to ride corner speed, smooth and fast. Honda supposedly tried but could not achieve it unless they ran the engine richer on fuel into the comer to give him the feel he wanted. Naturally then Pedrosa would smoke Dovi on the straight and thus the electronics rumors started. But the problem was said to be fuel strategy. Stoner and Pedro both used the Honda to maximum advantage the way it was meant to be ridden, picking it up early to use the power. Dovi couldn't match either of them in that style and so switched to Yamaha.
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I don't think the situations at Ducati and Honda are wholly analogous. Favored son Rossi hasn't exactly been dominating
on the Duc. In any event - who is to say that a discreet word or two from whichever individual is giving orders - spoken directly to the programmer in question could not effect said diminished results without broadcasting their intent to the entire team? Repsol per se has shown itself to give undue favor to Spanish riders time and again. Why would this situation be any different?
Conspiracies are difficult because secrecy is so difficult as has been said, and there was not much secret about pedrosa and hayden not getting the same stuff. What does definitely seem to happen is that development favours the preference of the lead riders, and they get favourable new developments first, and I doubt dovi had much if any say about development last year or was high on the list for new parts, particularly since he was only a factory honda rider because he insisted his contract be enforced, having met the performance clauses.
Dovi didn't have a whole lot of choice.
He turned down a satellite Honda ride, but then took a satellite Yamaha ride when it became clear there wasn't a factory ride open to him.
He could have done what HRC wanted and taken a factory ride at a satellite team (a la Simoncelli) but he was a stickler for his contract. He has burned his bridges with HRC, I would be surprised if he ever gets another chance to ride a Honda.
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i thought he was offered the lcr seat for 2012?
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Sorry was not thinking straight and got LCR and Gresini mixed up for a brief moment
Everyone here knows Pedrosa is on borrowed time. HRC/Repsol can't/won't wait forever, he's done once they decide to bring Marquez into the factory team (barring nothing physically befalls him). So to those complaining about Pedro on a factory bike, just bide your time he'll be out.
BTW, I don't think any team would complain about a #2 rider being a consistent podium finisher. He's good at racking those up, unfortunately for him he just happened to come up the ranks the same time as Jorge Lorenzo and Casey Stoner so his win column is not that eye-popping.
BTW, I don't think any team would complain about a #2 rider being a consistent podium finisher. He's good at racking those up, unfortunately for him he just happened to come up the ranks the same time as Jorge Lorenzo and Casey Stoner so his win column is not that eye-popping.
"[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Everyone here knows Pedrosa is on borrowed time."[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]We do? [/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]The nature of a team is that only one of that team can be the championship winner. As a team manager, what you really want is for one of your team to win the championship, the other team member to come second and to ensure you win the team and manufacturer championships as well. Failing that, you want him to take points away from the opposition at every opportunity.[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]To that end, Pedrosa is a team managers dream.[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]He is personable, diligent, a great rider, a good guy for feedback and development issues, great for sponsors, well-spoken, not divisive, popular - in other words, a great team player.[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I think that as long as he is healthy and delivering the thinks HRC Repsol needs to be winning championships, he has a place at the table.[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Before Marquez unseats him, he has to prove himself. He has yet to do that. [/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]We do? [/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]The nature of a team is that only one of that team can be the championship winner. As a team manager, what you really want is for one of your team to win the championship, the other team member to come second and to ensure you win the team and manufacturer championships as well. Failing that, you want him to take points away from the opposition at every opportunity.[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]To that end, Pedrosa is a team managers dream.[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]He is personable, diligent, a great rider, a good guy for feedback and development issues, great for sponsors, well-spoken, not divisive, popular - in other words, a great team player.[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I think that as long as he is healthy and delivering the thinks HRC Repsol needs to be winning championships, he has a place at the table.[/font]
[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Before Marquez unseats him, he has to prove himself. He has yet to do that. [/font]
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I share your impression, but I'm not so sure that data 'proves' much of anything. It IS very easy to imagine Puig whispering evil orders into the ears of his hunchbacked minions.
Look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Grand_Prix_motorcycle_racing_season#Riders.27_standings
Dovi had a pretty good run (albeit with several crashes) at the end of the season, when Peddles was hurt. OTOH, he also enjoyed a string of podiums earlier in the year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Grand_Prix_motorcycle_racing_season#MotoGP is also 'suggestive.' But even then, Dovi managed several podiums after Pedrosa's return.
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Wrong! You've got to be the first person I think who has ever said this, either way, not worth debating you.
Carry on.
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???? The only explanation for this is extreme sarcasm
~ great read all
but my general question, which there might not be an answer here, is ,, Why would Honda want another rider so close to their number one rider? There can only be one #1 (highlander classic),,, and years later, who remembers (or gives a sht) who comes in second or third? I would think that Dani is under no pressure to do any (or much) better than he's doing now. Hypothetically, and it's a stretch , if Marquez does graduate and is ultimately fighting up front with Stoner, and the result is the not-so-rare battle which compromises both their results,,, why would that be desired by Honda?
And at 3 races in, who's Chrystal ball says Dani won't come strong an win a few,, or at least pip Lorenzo a few times. I don't think that he like the new liter bike quite yet , but he'll adapt.
And for the record, I see nothing that shows me that Marquez would be faster or as fast as Dani in gp. Fast on a little bike, then fast on a big bike has been proven a few times, not to be a guarantee.
but my general question, which there might not be an answer here, is ,, Why would Honda want another rider so close to their number one rider? There can only be one #1 (highlander classic),,, and years later, who remembers (or gives a sht) who comes in second or third? I would think that Dani is under no pressure to do any (or much) better than he's doing now. Hypothetically, and it's a stretch , if Marquez does graduate and is ultimately fighting up front with Stoner, and the result is the not-so-rare battle which compromises both their results,,, why would that be desired by Honda?
And at 3 races in, who's Chrystal ball says Dani won't come strong an win a few,, or at least pip Lorenzo a few times. I don't think that he like the new liter bike quite yet , but he'll adapt.
And for the record, I see nothing that shows me that Marquez would be faster or as fast as Dani in gp. Fast on a little bike, then fast on a big bike has been proven a few times, not to be a guarantee.
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