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actually i tend to agree with mt, can't remember him being an ... towards dovi and for sure he's great for the main sponsor.



i can't blame hondas mistakes during 06-08 on pedrosa, apart from estoril 06 i never thought he was being an ...
 
actually i tend to agree with mt, can't remember him being an ... towards dovi and for sure he's great for the main sponsor.



i can't blame hondas mistakes during 06-08 on pedrosa, apart from estoril 06 i never thought he was being an ...



Things I particularly dislike about Pedrosa:-



1/ Continued subservience to Puig in spite of the fact that Sachsenring '08 was almost tantamount to manslaughter

2/ Petulantly walking out on the first day of a Michelin tyre test in '08

3/ Alleging that Nicky was stealing his data - and fully sanctioning the wall in the garage long before Rossi got the same idea at Yamaha

4/ The personality and the charisma of a hatstand

5/ Being wholly responsible for the Pedrocycle perhaps the worst race bike from HRC since the oval piston affair and pretty much the entire raison d'être behind the emasculated 800cc era and the HRC driven MSMA pushing for such an atrocious formula

6/ Failing to secure a title despite being in his seventh year on a Repsol Honda - which ultimately is the subject of this thread
 
Dani Pedrosa is still on the factory team for several reasons:



1) Every team like HRC needs a number 2 rider

2) He's Spanish

3) He wins a few races a season and gets plenty of exposure spending the end of most races standing on the podium

4) He's Spanish

5) He seems to get along with Casey, at least publicly. If he didn't he'd probably be looking for a new employer.

6) Marquez hasn't moved up yet and probably the biggest reason Jorge rides for Yamaha. If Jorge wanted to get his Honda on it'd be good night for Pedders. Can you say Gresini?
 
Dani Pedrosa!?



Winning is not everything!

But losing is .... all!

When has he won?

Point made.

Dovi should be in his seat for me.

Just my two penneth worth.
 
Things I particularly dislike about Pedrosa:-



1/ Continued subservience to Puig in spite of the fact that Sachsenring '08 was almost tantamount to manslaughter

2/ Petulantly walking out on the first day of a Michelin tyre test in '08

3/ Alleging that Nicky was stealing his data - and fully sanctioning the wall in the garage long before Rossi got the same idea at Yamaha

4/ The personality and the charisma of a hatstand

5/ Being wholly responsible for the Pedrocycle perhaps the worst race bike from HRC since the oval piston affair and pretty much the entire raison d'être behind the emasculated 800cc era and the HRC driven MSMA pushing for such an atrocious formula

6/ Failing to secure a title despite being in his seventh year on a Repsol Honda - which ultimately is the subject of this thread
 
"[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Everyone here knows Pedrosa is on borrowed time."[/font]



[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]We do? [/font]



[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]The nature of a team is that only one of that team can be the championship winner. As a team manager, what you really want is for one of your team to win the championship, the other team member to come second and to ensure you win the team and manufacturer championships as well. Failing that, you want him to take points away from the opposition at every opportunity.[/font]



[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]To that end, Pedrosa is a team managers dream.[/font]



[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]He is personable, diligent, a great rider, a good guy for feedback and development issues, great for sponsors, well-spoken, not divisive, popular - in other words, a great team player.[/font]



[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I think that as long as he is healthy and delivering the thinks HRC Repsol needs to be winning championships, he has a place at the table.[/font]



[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Before Marquez unseats him, he has to prove himself. He has yet to do that. [/font]



I think you put too much faith in HRC keeping Pedrosa on when a gaggle of young Spaniards being supported by Repsol in the lower classes. Chances are one of them is going to take Pedrosa's seat. They aren't going to wait for Pedrosa forever and once one their up and comers gets some MotoGP races under the their belt (proving themselves or not) then I think Pedrosa will be dropped. Repsol wants a Spanish champion and I think they will go through as many Spanish riders as possible until one does win one under their banner.
 
I don't know if we are putting too much weight on a sponsor or not, I mean Repsol is just a sponsor and the main guys who decide things around there are the HRC guys, They like to have a spanish champion but who was the last Spanish champion of Repsol Honda? If we look to the riders in the last 20 years we see that Mick Doohan, Valentino Rossi, Nicky Hayden and Casey Stroner non of them were Spanish but they brough the title for the Repsol Honda, I think as long as there is a champion in the team why would they give a .... about the nationality this much??!?!?!? what I mean is as long as Casey is in the team and he is a title contender why they change a second rider with 100 podiums?
 
Pedrosa is the third best rider out there.



Marquez may prove to be crap.





So who would you replace Pedrosa with:



Dovi.

Cal.

Ben

Rossi

Hayden

etc.



Nup he's better than all those guys ........



Stoner

Lorenzo



Yes.
 
I don't know if we are putting too much weight on a sponsor or not, I mean Repsol is just a sponsor and the main guys who decide things around there are the HRC guys, They like to have a spanish champion but who was the last Spanish champion of Repsol Honda? If we look to the riders in the last 20 years we see that Mick Doohan, Valentino Rossi, Nicky Hayden and Casey Stroner non of them were Spanish but they brough the title for the Repsol Honda, I think as long as there is a champion in the team why would they give a .... about the nationality this much??!?!?!? what I mean is as long as Casey is in the team and he is a title contender why they change a second rider with 100 podiums?



Alex Criville
 
Pedrosa is the third best rider out there.



Marquez may prove to be crap.





So who would you replace Pedrosa with:



Dovi.

Cal.

Ben

Rossi

Hayden

etc.



Nup he's better than all those guys ........



Stoner

Lorenzo



Yes.



3rd best? Guy has been on a top notch bike forever and nothing but a bridesmaids dress to show for it. Put him on a 3rd factory Duke and he's circulating around in 5-8th with Rossi. Pedro needs a perfect set up, and I don't think can ride around anything. Put them on the same bike and he's chasing Rossi most of the time. Stoner and Lorenzo are one and two easily tho.



3rd best thing aside though. I agree with your main point. Who do you put on Pedrosa's bike who will be as fast or faster than him. Other than I think Rossi at this point, but that's a no go because of burnt bridges there is no one else.



Oh, if RDP was suddenly Spanish he would be a good replacement and would be cheap and fast! But he's not Spanish.
 
Things I particularly dislike about Pedrosa:-



1/ Continued subservience to Puig in spite of the fact that Sachsenring '08 was almost tantamount to manslaughter

2/ Petulantly walking out on the first day of a Michelin tyre test in '08

3/ Alleging that Nicky was stealing his data - and fully sanctioning the wall in the garage long before Rossi got the same idea at Yamaha

4/ The personality and the charisma of a hatstand

5/ Being wholly responsible for the Pedrocycle perhaps the worst race bike from HRC since the oval piston affair and pretty much the entire raison d'être behind the emasculated 800cc era and the HRC driven MSMA pushing for such an atrocious formula

6/ Failing to secure a title despite being in his seventh year on a Repsol Honda - which ultimately is the subject of this thread

didn't know about 2 and 3, sounds bad though and makes him look real bad. thx for the info!
 
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, of course, but this list offered by Arrabbiata1 and Jumkie (who evidently agrees with the first 5) seems over the top to me.



1/ Continued subservience to Puig in spite of the fact that Sachsenring '08 was almost tantamount to manslaughter

So much hyperbole in one sentence... where to start? Subservience? I haven't noticed Pedrosa walking two steps behind and a bit to the left when Puig goes for a stroll, and Puig doesn't have his hand up Dani's arse every time #26 speaks to the media. Sachsenring tantamount to manslaughter... have you been at Gobert's stash? It's hardly Alberto's fault that Dani crashed out; pitboards are hung out every race weekend telling riders to push. The fact that Pedrosa-Puig use a unique method of motivation (saying the gap behind is smaller than it is) is completely up to them, and if you think Pedrosa isn't aware of that you don't realise how long they've been using that method. Whether Pedrosa actually needed to push in that situation is a different matter, but he's the guy on the bike, and ultimately the decision rests with him.



Besides, as has been well doucmented, Dani just doesn't bounce. It's hard to imagine any other rider--not named Wayne Gardner--sliding off in the wet like that, into an airfence, no less, not getting up and walking away brushing the mud and gravel off their leathers.



Puig is Pedrosa's mentor/manager who's been with him since day one. He's doing whatever it takes to ensure the best for Pedrosa--pretty much the job description for someone in his position. We may not agree or like his methods and/or personality, but, as someone famously said, "That's racing, Casey."



2/ Petulantly walking out on the first day of a Michelin tyre test in '08

At the end of 2007 it was strongly argued on this forum that changing tyre brands was just like changing socks, that if Michelin couldn't deliver... then .... 'em. So what was the big deal with walking out on the post-disastrous-race-for Michelin-Brno test when it was clear that Michelin had nothing in the way of improvements to offer? Besides, motorsport at the hightest level for some reason tends to attract prima dona types, why single out Pedrosa for this?



3/ Alleging that Nicky was stealing his data - and fully sanctioning the wall in the garage long before Rossi got the same idea at Yamaha

Can't argue with you there, especially since I've read that Pedrosa has something along the lines of 'I can see your data, but you can't see mine' in his contract. Maybe that's just a rumour, because I don't understand why HRC would allow something like that. I think the Ducati method of allowing even the satellite teams to look at all the data is the best. Still, on the flipside, I can see how another rider suddenly going faster than you--using your settings--might mess with your head.



4/ The personality and the charisma of a hatstand

Wait, because he doesn't wear clown pants or mug for the camera that's earned your particular dislike? I tell you what, I have the business opportunity of a lifetime for you: immediately buy 10,000 hatstands and rush them to Spain; you'll make a killing--I hear hatstands are extremely popular over there.



5/ Being wholly responsible for the Pedrocycle perhaps the worst race bike from HRC since the oval piston affair and pretty much the entire raison d'être behind the emasculated 800cc era and the HRC driven MSMA pushing for such an atrocious formula

And we're back to the hyperbole again. He's wholly responsible for the Pedrocycle (and what a myth of epic proportions that ........ name is)? He's the reason why we had the 800cc formula? That tin-foil hat you borrowed from Lex must be fitting a little tight; I suggest you hang it up on one of your new hatstands. HRC--and just so I'm clear here--we are talking about the mighty, all powerful HRC, who claim that "it's all about the bike; the rider just sits on it, twists the throttle, and backs it into corners with/without using brakes," and Valentino you can .... off to Yamaha and prove us wrong, that HRC, right? That same HRC not only designed, built and tested with their riders in Japan a bike for Pedrosa that he only got to touch at the same time as Hayden (though Hayden couldn't actually test after Motegi in 2006, because he hadn't yet signed a new contract), but knew building a bike especially for him would not be enough, so first, they used the tragic death of Kato as a bargaining tool to usher in a new formula all for the benefit of one Daniel Pedrosa, a rider that, at that stage, hadn't even signed for their MotoGP team?



Your particular dislike of Pedrosa really must be a pathological hatred to come up with that. Also, the 1988 500cc Honda was at least as bad as the 2007-2009 iterations of the 800cc bike.



6/ Failing to secure a title despite being in his seventh year on a Repsol Honda - which ultimately is the subject of this thread

You have a particular dislike of a rider because he hasn't won a championship, despite being on one of the best rides in the series? I'm guessing you weren't much of a Mamola fan, either.



Pedrosa will never be a popular rider on this board; the fact that there is still fallout from Estoril '06 is proof of that. One thing I am curious about, however, and this is basically a quesiton for baturro: how is Puig and his relationship with Pedrosa viewed in Spain?
 
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Rossi would be more competitive than Pedrosa on the Repsol bike. Im not a big fan of his, but having said that there is no way he would be content following Casey and Jorge around 1 second or so down for the whole race. Wheels, shoulders, legs, everything would be shown to at least Lorenzo and probably Stoner as well. He may not have the outright speed anymore but he is pretty crafty and very competitive, especially when the gap is down to 1 sec or so. He still has to be the real world number 3 at this time. I don't think Stoner or Lorenzo are even the least bit worried when there boards say +1 PED.
 
3rd best? Guy has been on a top notch bike forever and nothing but a bridesmaids dress to show for it. Put him on a 3rd factory Duke and he's circulating around in 5-8th with Rossi. Pedro needs a perfect set up, and I don't think can ride around anything. Put them on the same bike and he's chasing Rossi most of the time. Stoner and Lorenzo are one and two easily tho.



3rd best thing aside though. I agree with your main point. Who do you put on Pedrosa's bike who will be as fast or faster than him. Other than I think Rossi at this point, but that's a no go because of burnt bridges there is no one else.



Oh, if RDP was suddenly Spanish he would be a good replacement and would be cheap and fast! But he's not Spanish.



Gotta have a bridesmaid or two ....... and on their own merit they are nice to have there. Matter of fact I've been to manya wedding where the bridesmaid is the real class of the party.



Rossi as good as Pedro!! get real
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The Honda and Rossi would not be as good as Rossi and a Yamaha. The Honda does not turn without effort. Even if Rossiwas on a Yam I'd place the current Pedro just above Rossi
 
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, of course, but this list offered by Arrabbiata1 and Jumkie (who evidently agrees with the first 5) seems over the top to me.





So much hyperbole in one sentence... where to start? Subservience? I haven't noticed Pedrosa walking two steps behind and a bit to the left when Puig goes for a stroll, and Puig doesn't have his hand up Dani's arse every time #26 speaks to the media. Sachsenring tantamount to manslaughter... have you been at Gobert's stash? It's hardly Alberto's fault that Dani crashed out; pitboards are hung out every race weekend telling riders to push. The fact that Pedrosa-Puig use a unique method of motivation (saying the gap behind is smaller than it is) is completely up to them, and if you think Pedrosa isn't aware of that you don't realise how long they've been using that method. Whether Pedrosa actually needed to push in that situation is a different matter, but he's the guy on the bike, and ultimately the decision rests with him.



Besides, as has been well doucmented, Dani just doesn't bounce. It's hard to imagine any other rider--not named Wayne Gardner--sliding off in the wet like that, into an airfence, no less, not getting up and walking away brushing the mud and gravel off their leathers.



Puig is Pedrosa's mentor/manager who's been with him since day one. He's doing whatever it takes to ensure the best for Pedrosa--pretty much the job description for someone in his position. We may not agree or like his methods and/or personality, but, as someone famously said, "That's racing, Casey."





At the end of 2007 it was strongly argued on this forum that changing tyre brands was just like changing socks, that if Michelin couldn't deliver... then .... 'em. So what was the big deal with walking out on the post-disastrous-race-for Michelin-Brno test when it was clear that Michelin had nothing in the way of improvements to offer? Besides, motorsport at the hightest level for some reason tends to attract prima dona types, why single out Pedrosa for this?





Can't argue with you there, especially since I've read that Pedrosa has something along the lines of 'I can see your data, but you can't see mine' in his contract. Maybe that's just a rumour, because I don't understand why HRC would allow something like that. I think the Ducati method of allowing even the satellite teams to look at all the data is the best. Still, on the flipside, I can see how another rider suddenly going faster than you--using your settings--might mess with your head.





Wait, because he doesn't wear clown pants or mug for the camera that's earned your particular dislike? I tell you what, I have the business opportunity of a lifetime for you: immediately buy 10,000 hatstands and rush them to Spain; you'll make a killing--I hear hatstands are extremely popular over there.





And we're back to the hyperbole again. He's wholly responsible for the Pedrocycle (and what a myth of epic proportions that ........ name is)? He's the reason why we had the 800cc formula? That tin-foil hat you borrowed from Lex must be fitting a little tight; I suggest you hang it up on one of your new hatstands. HRC--and just so I'm clear here--we are talking about the mighty, all powerful HRC, who claim that "it's all about the bike; the rider just sits on it, twists the throttle, and backs it into corners with/without using brakes," and Valentino you can .... off to Yamaha and prove us wrong, that HRC, right? That same HRC not only designed, built and tested with their riders in Japan a bike for Pedrosa that he only got to touch at the same time as Hayden (though Hayden couldn't actually test after Motegi in 2006, because he hadn't yet signed a new contract), but knew building a bike especially for him would not be enough, so first, they used the tragic death of Kato as a bargaining tool to usher in a new formula all for the benefit of one Daniel Pedrosa, a rider that, at that stage, hadn't even signed for their MotoGP team?



Your particular dislike of Pedrosa really must be a pathological hatred to come up with that. Also, the 1988 500cc Honda was at least as bad as the 2007-2009 iterations of the 800cc bike.





You have a particular dislike of a rider because he hasn't won a championship, despite being on one of the best rides in the series? I'm guessing you weren't much of a Mamola fan, either.



Pedrosa will never be a popular rider on this board; the fact that there is still fallout from Estoril '06 is proof of that. One thing I am curious about, however, and this is basically a quesiton for baturro: how is Puig and his relationship with Pedrosa viewed in Spain?

Thank .... you never saw my 15 reasons to dislike Max Biaggi post some years back.



Hyperbole? - time for another Top Ten Sun?



???? Daniel signed to Repsol Honda at the end of '05 on a two year deal.



I don't have a pathological dislike of Dani, and actually he's quite popular amongst many on this forum and has won himself many converts due to his gutsy approach and some great rides since gaduating to a Moto GP bike.



I'm sorry, he is subservient to Puig in spite of the fact HRC write the programmes, Alberto has been given the operators manual.



No pathalogical hatred here - perhaps in view of Barry's point that he is the third best rider in the class he does deserve to retain his seat at Repsol Honda. I also believe that 2008 was to be his year, as contentiously I believe that 2006 was Capirossi's year - fate cruelly conspired otherwise



I maintain that HRC designed the RCV212v around Dani's diminutive dimensions and the prospect of future generations of Arfix test pilots. It is irrefutable that they were instrumental in pushing the formula through. Also worth remembering that Nicky was saddled with ther onerus task of testing many of the internals for the Pedrocycle on the evo version of the RC211v in 2006 - Dani was not.



Regarding Mamola - I do believe that he was World Champion material through and through (and that's another debate altogether) - where some doubts have been raised about Dani's physical limitatiions on the bike and at times mental fortitude. I couldn't forsee Dani riding the equivalent of that pig of a Cagiva and achieving the results that Randy did.



Coming soon - reasons to like Dani Pedrosa....although this may take some time - now where's Anthony Goberts stash?
 
Rossi as good as Pedro!! get real
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The Honda and Rossi would not be as good as Rossi and a Yamaha. The Honda does not turn without effort. Even if Rossiwas on a Yam I'd place the current Pedro just above Rossi

Stuff and nonsense barry, or at least pure speculation. The current pedrosa gets completely smashed by lorenzo. The previous pedrosa always got utterly smashed by rossi. Unless valentino really does have permanently disabling injuries, imo the fact that he can't ride a ducati as I suspect would be the case for lorenzo and pedrosa like everybody else except stoner makes it difficult to impute that he would no longer be able to ride a yamaha, which he was able to do with some proficiency post his early 2010 injuries as recently as late 2010, or the last time he was on one.
 
Thank .... you never saw my 15 reasons to dislike Max Biaggi post some years back.



Hyperbole? - time for another Top Ten Sun?



Its the "toilet door factor" Arab. Your writing is of crap quality. You need to write to entertain better quality clientele than those who view the rear side of a toilet door.
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Stuff and nonsense barry, or at least pure speculation. The current pedrosa gets completely smashed by lorenzo. The previous pedrosa always got utterly smashed by rossi. Unless valentino really does have permanently disabling injuries, imo the fact that he can't ride a ducati as I suspect would be the case for lorenzo and pedrosa like like everybody else except stoner makes it difficult to impute that he would no longer be able to ride a yamaha, which he was able to do with some proficiency post his early 2010 injuries as recently as late 2010, or the last time he was on one.



Well good to see your version of what "could happen" is far less speculative than mine
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Its the "toilet door factor" Arab. Your writing is of crap quality. You need to write to entertain better quality clientele than those who view the rear side of a toilet door.
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Perhaps the odd sprinkling of an emoticon here and there would suitably embelish it Barry
 

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