Who thinks Rossi will retire at the end of 2012?

birdman · Apr 26, 2012

Mick D said:
Look at who was riding in 2006. Which of these guys do you consider "old 990 guys"? Which of those ever had the talent to compete for a championship?

Old 990 guys.................Capirossi, Melandri, Gibernau, Barros, Edwards, Hayden............... none have been in contention for a championship since 2006. Why? Talent would not be the single reason, because a satelight bike has not won a race since 2006 either.

800 guys........... Stoner, Pedrosa, Lorenzo, Rossi..................all have either won or been in contention for a championship since 2007. All of a sudden everyone else looks 'old' by comparison.

Why...........see your Dennis Noyes link....................... all four above are in the top 20 of all time!!!! Which 990 rider above has the talent to compete against them?

Premier Class Wins (1949 to Present)

1.Valentino Rossi 79

2. Giacomo Agostini 68

3. Mick Doohan 54

4. Mike Hailwood 37

5. Casey Stoner 33

6. Eddie Lawson 31

7. Kevin Schwantz 25

8. Wayne Rainey 24

9. Geoff Duke 22

John Surtees 22

Kenny Roberts 22

12.Freddie Spencer 20

13.Barry Sheene 19

14. Wayne Gardner 18

Jorge Lorenzo 18

16. Álex Crivillé 15

Dani Pedrosa 15

18. Max Biaggi 13

Randy Mamola 13

20 Phil Read 11

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Mick D · Apr 26, 2012

birdman said:
Old 990 guys.................Capirossi, Melandri, Gibernau, Barros, Edwards, Hayden, KRjr............... none have been in contention for a championship since 2006. Why? Talent would not be the single reason, because a satelight bike has not won a race since 2006 either.

Added KRjr! Of the 4 Euros that grew up on corner speed bikes Gibs and Barros were done already and Cappers and Marco hit a Ducati wall!!! LOL!

birdman · Apr 26, 2012

Mick D said:
Added KRjr! Of the 4 Euros that grew up on corner speed bikes Gibs and Barros were done already and Cappers and Marco hit a Ducati wall!!! LOL!

But did any Euros grow up with 220+hp corner speed bikes? 250cc is not the same thing is it. Naturally Talpa will say its because Cappi didnt have a Playstation to practice on like Stoner and Pedro.

KRjr would be a good example of how much more even the competition was in 2006. Team KR tried to continue with the 800 but there was no hope, gone by mid season.

The big difference was in the 990 days beating Rossi would almost garantee winning the race. In 2007, Cappers did in fact finish ahead of Rossi 5 times, similar to 2006. So maybe his performance did not go down as much as it appears. Just that he also needed to finish ahead of Stoner and Pedrosa in those same races, which he didnt bar one.

J4rn0 · Apr 27, 2012

There is something that doesn't fit with some theories proposed here: Stoner, the most successful 800cc rider, is not a corner speed rider.

michaelm · Apr 27, 2012

Absolutely agree with you j4rno (as I often do) that stoner, in his premier class career at least, has not been a corner speed rider.

As I recall you and I were also among the first, if not the first, to espouse in 2007 the now widely held theory that the younger riders might find it easier to meld with the modern electronics, with specific reference to capirossi's relative under-performance vs stoner on the 2007 ducati.

povol · Apr 27, 2012

michaelm said:
Absolutely agree with you j4rno (as I often do) that stoner, in his premier class career at least, has not been a corner speed rider.

As I recall you and I were also among the first, if not the first, to espouse in 2007 the now widely held theory that the younger riders might find it easier to meld with the modern electronics, with specific reference to capirossi's relative under-performance vs stoner on the 2007 ducati.

If you exclude entry and exit, that is true. Maybe his terminal velocity at the apex is not that of some other riders, but he is picking up time somewhere besides the straights, and by all indications, its mostly corner exit where his unique style allows him to get on the throttle earlier than anyone. That is still corner speed.

michaelm · Apr 27, 2012

povol said:
If you exclude entry and exit, that is true. Maybe his terminal velocity at the apex is not that of some other riders, but he is picking up time somewhere besides the straights, and by all indications, its mostly corner exit where his unique style allows him to get on the throttle earlier than anyone. That is still corner speed.

Hope it still works on this year's tyres.

J4rn0 · Apr 27, 2012

povol said:
If you exclude entry and exit, that is true. Maybe his terminal velocity at the apex is not that of some other riders, but he is picking up time somewhere besides the straights, and by all indications, its mostly corner exit where his unique style allows him to get on the throttle earlier than anyone. That is still corner speed.

His fast exit is exactly the demonstration that Stoner is essentially a point and shoot rider. Let us put it this way: he is the only point-and-shoot rider who can beat corner speed riders at their own game.

(In MotoGP: with less powerful bikes like the 250s it was much more difficult, even for him).

michaelm · Apr 27, 2012

J4rn0 said:
His fast exit is exactly the demonstration that Stoner is essentially a point and shoot rider. Let us put it this way: he is the only point-and-shoot rider who can beat corner speed riders at their own game.

(In MotoGP: with less powerful bikes like the 250s it was much more difficult, even for him).

Hard to beat corner speed riders riding point and shoot with a less powerful bike. I honestly don't know how he would have gone on an 800 yamaha; both/all 800 bikes he rode were not lacking in power.

BarryMachine · Apr 27, 2012

J4rn0 said:
His fast exit is exactly the demonstration that Stoner is essentially a point and shoot rider. Let us put it this way: he is the only point-and-shoot rider who can beat corner speed riders at their own game.

(In MotoGP: with less powerful bikes like the 250s it was much more difficult, even for him).

The major flaw with that theory is that Stoner is described as incomprehensibly fast into the corners, hence why they "cannot do what Stoner does", and that is the point where they see that he has a big advantage on corner entry. And that only became prevalent in the bigger class because he had the power to do what he does ........ its not so easy to use the torque to let the back loose when it doesn't have the torque in reserve

Cold also explain why Jerez is Stoners voodoo track, its about as point and shoot as they get, and his style is about long flowing fast lines into and out of the corner.

VROSSI46 · Apr 27, 2012

nomad said:
I am a HUGE fan of Valentine Rossi; I think he is a genius on a motorbike and has managed to be at the top for so many years but I think his passion for the sport isn't the same since his close friend Simoncelli died. Take this weekend, Hayden has outperformed him in all sessions which just shouldn't be happening so personally I think he will hang up his helmet at the end of this year and go rallying. At the end of the day the man has nothing left to prove, he has beaten all the current crop of guys and has entertained all of us for going on 15 years so I for one would be gutted to see him go but also be thankful for all that he has done for the sport. In my eyes he will always be the GOAT.

Rossi has said he wants to stay at Ducati for at least two more years and that = 3 more championship wins for Rossi.

Geonerd · Apr 27, 2012

VROSSI46 said:
Rossi has said he wants to stay at Ducati for at least two more years and that = 3 more championship wins for Rossi.

GeePee · Apr 28, 2012

Rossi won't make the end of the year.

Evolution · Apr 28, 2012

GeePee said:
Rossi won't make the end of the year.

He will, but not on a Duc.

BarryMachine · Apr 28, 2012

Evolution said:
He will, but not on a Duc.

WhoTF would be stupid enough to give him a ride when he will drag them down as he has with Ducati?

nomad · Apr 28, 2012

I am one of Rossi's biggest fans but this is just getting embarrassing for him now. He finished behind a CRT rider and was 2.4 seconds off his team mate in the same conditions; hell he was only a couple of thousandths faster than Marquez.

Edwards · Apr 28, 2012

I'd like to see him go back to Yamah or Honda...i'm pretty sure he would win 1 more world championship with them before he retires. The chances of that are slim however and lets face it...if they can't get the Ducati working for Rossi this year then they may aswell give up on the idea. Especially when Hayden is doing better than Vale on it. Who knows, I think it's Rossi's head at the moment that may be letting him down. Maybe he doesn't want to race anymore deep down.

GeePee · Apr 28, 2012

I thinks it's the crash at Sepang in his head.

He won't finish the year.

Talpa · Apr 28, 2012

GeePee said:
I thinks it's the crash at Sepang in his head.

He won't finish the year.

At this rate, I agree, very, very sad indeed for a talent of that caliber

Jumkie · Apr 28, 2012

Keep ur head up Valentino. Dont listen to ur fans.

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