Who thinks Rossi will retire at the end of 2012?

mt1960 · Apr 29, 2012

J4rn0 said:
Unless you read Italian, there is an awful lot you cannot read.

If you do, read this -- apart from the Guareschi that I quoted from memory, but was in a paper magazine and not on the internet, you can enjoy what Capirossi (even more authoritative than Guareschi) had to say in 2007: he said his own corner speed was 15 kmh higher than Stoner's on some fast corners (telemetry data), but Stoner thanks to his point and shoot style (point and shoot = "spigolare" in Italian) could open up earlier and exit the corners faster:

Thanks.

The point I thought I made, that Stoner's 'style' on the Ducati was a function of the Ducati and not his 'native' style has been remarked upon by others - specifically Guareschi comparing him to Hayden and Rossi.

I have been watching Stoner since he was a buck-toothed kid riding 125s in the British championship and he has never exhibited such a style except on the Ducati. Since he has been on the Honda, he has ridden it exactly the same way as the other Honda riders - a la 250 style or 'corner speed' style. When he came into MotoGP, he rode the LCR just the same way as he had ridden his 250, high entry speed, mid corner speed, stand it up asap and drive it out..

I am not going to dissect Capirossi's post, nor would want to, but the fact is, having exhibited both styles to some degree, what is Stoner's 'native' style?

I'm sure there is no definitive way of proving one way or the other, except to either agree to disagree or to agree that he rides the style that suits that bike in that corner at that time, as he himself has said.

J4rn0 · Apr 29, 2012

mt1960 said:
Thanks.

The point I thought I made, that Stoner's 'style' on the Ducati was a function of the Ducati and not his 'native' style has been remarked upon by others - specifically Guareschi comparing him to Hayden and Rossi.

I have been watching Stoner since he was a buck-toothed kid riding 125s in the British championship and he has never exhibited such a style except on the Ducati. Since he has been on the Honda, he has ridden it exactly the same way as the other Honda riders - a la 250 style or 'corner speed' style. When he came into MotoGP, he rode the LCR just the same way as he had ridden his 250, high entry speed, mid corner speed, stand it up asap and drive it out..

I am not going to dissect Capirossi's post, nor would want to, but the fact is, having exhibited both styles to some degree, what is Stoner's 'native' style?

I'm sure there is no definitive way of proving one way or the other, except to either agree to disagree or to agree that he rides the style that suits that bike in that corner at that time, as he himself has said.

That's very much part of Stoner's genius, that he can just ride and instinctively adjust. We can certainly agree on that.

GeePee · Apr 29, 2012

J4rn0 said:
That's very much part of Stoner's genius, that he can just ride and instinctively adjust. We can certainly agree on that.

Let's hope so

michaelm · Apr 29, 2012

mt1960 said:
Thanks.

The point I thought I made, that Stoner's 'style' on the Ducati was a function of the Ducati and not his 'native' style has been remarked upon by others - specifically Guareschi comparing him to Hayden and Rossi.

I have been watching Stoner since he was a buck-toothed kid riding 125s in the British championship and he has never exhibited such a style except on the Ducati. Since he has been on the Honda, he has ridden it exactly the same way as the other Honda riders - a la 250 style or 'corner speed' style. When he came into MotoGP, he rode the LCR just the same way as he had ridden his 250, high entry speed, mid corner speed, stand it up asap and drive it out..

I am not going to dissect Capirossi's post, nor would want to, but the fact is, having exhibited both styles to some degree, what is Stoner's 'native' style?

I'm sure there is no definitive way of proving one way or the other, except to either agree to disagree or to agree that he rides the style that suits that bike in that corner at that time, as he himself has said.

I don't think that his riding style on the honda is the same as dani's and jorge's, but it is not the same as it was on the ducati either. Jerez was proof of his previous statements as to his versatility as you say; I was not very convinced in the past. I agree that all evidence suggests that the way he rode the ducati was the only way it could be ridden fast.

GeePee · May 12, 2012

Maybe the question should have been Who thinks he should retire?

He is killing his race/win ratio.

povol · May 14, 2012

GeePee said:
Maybe the question should have been Who thinks he should retire?

He is killing his race/win ratio.

Now theres a reason to retire, meaningless personal stats.

GeePee · May 14, 2012

Stats seem important to Rossi.

More so than other riders.

mt1960 · May 15, 2012

You know this how, exactly?

FTE217 · May 15, 2012

Coming in late on the discussion and not bothering reading all the posts I would love VR not to retire and get a satelite honda/yama ride for next season.

He's still got it no doubt and IF he could persuade JB more so than the rest of the crew to take on another challenge I'd love to see what could result 2013 he back on a bike suited to his style.

Other than that be a sad way to leave the sport IF he did retire end of 2012.

BarryMachine · May 15, 2012

Its all becoming clearer ......... i seems Rossi will retire at the end of 2012 ........... well WSBK is the retirement home for Motogp riders, and thats where he is going.

http://www.crash.net...re_tedious.html

http://www.gpone.com...i-certezze.html

http://www.gpone.com...oGP-su-Sky.html

Bye Rog. and Talpa, its been fun ...... but its more fun, for you, over there so see ya

Oh and PS. ....... I hear they back it in by skidding with the back brake and banging it down through the gears over there too! ..... so you guys will be right at home, and so would Coffee boy ( Arabiata ) and Jumkiechic. Could you let them know.

Whoops MDUB chucked a sook at me for not including him in the list of sooks above ...... so please include Mdub...... he wants to go toWSBK too....

joelyjoel · May 16, 2012

Has anyone considered the possibility that riding the Ducati for 4 seasons has turned him into the unbelieveble rider he is today. For years he was forced to perform on the unorthadox and unforgiving Ducati. The fact that he can ride around tire problems, chatter etc surely bodes well for this theory. His days as a craher are long long gone. He has racecraft and agro now. He's always had Senna like qualifying pace and 'fastest lap' speed. I think at the moment that he is so far ahead of the field that if he chooses to stay in the sport, the records will tumble. The speed has always been there. Now the bike, racecraft, mentality and confidence are there. God help the rest of the field. Marquez will not hold a candle to him.

BarryMachine · May 16, 2012

Yes, Stoner has benefited from his time at Ducati. Its all very Darwinian.

Mick D · May 16, 2012

joelyjoel said:
Has anyone considered the possibility that riding the Ducati for 4 seasons has turned him into the unbelieveble rider he is today.

Yes. And No.

J4rn0 · May 17, 2012

joelyjoel said:
Has anyone considered the possibility that riding the Ducati for 4 seasons has turned him into the unbelieveble rider he is today. For years he was forced to perform on the unorthadox and unforgiving Ducati. The fact that he can ride around tire problems, chatter etc surely bodes well for this theory. His days as a craher are long long gone. He has racecraft and agro now. He's always had Senna like qualifying pace and 'fastest lap' speed. I think at the moment that he is so far ahead of the field that if he chooses to stay in the sport, the records will tumble. The speed has always been there. Now the bike, racecraft, mentality and confidence are there. God help the rest of the field. Marquez will not hold a candle to him.

Riding the Ducati for 4 seasons did not help Hayden in the same way though...

I think it has been the Bridgestones that helped Stoner giving his best: Stoner has been, and still is, the greatest interpreter of the Japanese tires. In a way we could say he rides the tires directly, kind of bypassing the bike.

It was the change from Michelin to Bridgestones that transformed Rolling Stoner into Reigning Stoner.

When the Ducati stood too much in the way between him and the tires, he changed bike.

J4rn0 · May 17, 2012

GeePee · May 17, 2012

New question same subject:

Who thinks Rossi will race in WSBK?

If so when?

cliche guevara · May 17, 2012

next year when the factory team is not called althea anymore and they use the 1199

he wins the championship, panigale sales figures go through the roof and all is well

TlTAN · May 17, 2012

GeePee said:
New question same subject:

Who thinks Rossi will race in WSBK?

If so when?

Rossi won't go to the refugee camp of WSBK - when he retires from MotoGP he will go four wheel racing.

J4rn0 · May 17, 2012

GeePee said:
New question same subject:

Who thinks Rossi will race in WSBK?

If so when?

He might, when/if WSBK is perceived as the top series. Sounds outlandish? Not such a far-fetched notion if they limit MotoGP to 15,000 rpm and keep messing with the rules, limiting what doesn't need to be limited.

michaelm · May 17, 2012

J4rn0 said:
He might, when/if WSBK is perceived as the top series. Sounds outlandish? Not such a far-fetched notion if they limit MotoGP to 15,000 rpm and keep messing with the rules, limiting what doesn't need to be limited.

This is my view as well. If motogp is about to die and he goes to wsbk ahead of that he will be seen as prescient. Otherwise some great riders have won wsbk championships, but avidly though I followed him in wsbk the likes of bayliss, and fogerty with his even better record, don't rate imo with the pantheon of gp greats such as ago, hailwood, krsr, lawson, rainey, doohan and rossi himself obviously.

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