Who thinks Rossi will retire at the end of 2012?

cliche guevara · Apr 19, 2012

its stupid,at least 1000cc twins or triples should be allowed without ultra long stroke.

i hardly understand why 1200cc twins aren't allowed , let alone the de facto ban of twins and triples in the 1000cc class

povol · Apr 19, 2012

xx CURVE xx said:
Firstly thats mcn. Secondly the M1 is wat it is now because of Rossi/Burgers input. Give the man his bike.

Exactly how long does Rossi have to be gone before its not his bike any longer. Was the RC212V and RC213V his as well since he helped develop the RC211V. Its not his bike any longer, its a completely different machine. As a matter of fact, his machine was surpassed by Honda, the new machine produced by Lorenzo is a much better match.

xx CURVE xx · Apr 19, 2012

Hates gonna eat up inside bro

gui22a · Apr 19, 2012

Kropotkin said:
81mm max bore. Makes twins impossible.

Oh crap... well, maybe that can change with some pressure.

Let's hope they change rules a bit, it'd be awesome to have 2-cylinders or even triples in the paddock.

Nuts · Apr 19, 2012

Rossi will stay at Duc in 2013, but will get paid about 1/10th of what he does now.

There won't be any opther options for him, unless he starts paying for a ride, and that will not happen..... ever !!!!

povol · Apr 19, 2012

xx CURVE xx said:
Hates gonna eat up inside bro

Delusion is bad for you as well.

frizzle · Apr 19, 2012

xx CURVE xx said:
Hates gonna eat up inside bro

You can't have it both ways Curve.

If the Yamaha is still Rossi/Burgess's baby then so is the current Ducati.

Can't you see the bias in your view?

Rossi/Burgess get the props for the Yamaha & all it's successes.

Now - Ducati need to give them a better bike.

With Rossi fans it's a case of - If the bike rocks it's Rossi/Burgess's genius

If it sucks, it's not their fault it's the factory.

What it always becomes is a lose lose for the manufacturer because even if they build a winning bike, it will be because of the Rossi/Burgess input

Win win for Rossi/Burgess becuase regardles of how bad the bike is it's Ducati's fault entirely & not theirs.

How different from the Stoner era @ Ducati when Preziosi was considered a genius is it? Very different. But hardly surprising.

Goatboy · Apr 19, 2012

Wasn't this thread started because of interview that suggested Ducati hadn't listened?

BarryMachine · Apr 19, 2012

Goatboy said:
Wasn't this thread started because of interview that suggested Ducati hadn't listened?

No.

xx CURVE xx · Apr 19, 2012

The difference is Yamaha did what R/B asked for in order to get M1 to compete..Duc hasnt.

BarryMachine · Apr 19, 2012

Thats not correct. Furasawa had it designed before Rossi went there.

Ducati have not. And thats the problem, they relied on a fable that Rossi would tell them what to do.

The really bad thing is with Rossi as a development rider is that even now the Ducati is better, he has one ride on it and bags it out .......... Hayden did better on that same bike

So did Rossi too actually ......... he didn't come off. Might I remind you that he had a lot of DNF's at the end of 2011 ......... 10th place is way better!!.

Ducati need to ignore some of Rossi's tantrums and spurious bad runs and take Hayden into account too.

The Germans will teach them how and when to ignore Rossi.

Talpa · Apr 19, 2012

BarryMachine said:
Thats not correct. Furasawa had it designed before Rossi went there.

Ducati have not. And thats the problem, they relied on a fable that Rossi would tell them what to do.

The really bad thing is with Rossi as a development rider is that even no the Ducati is better, he has one ride on it and bags it out .......... Hayden did better on that same bike

So did Rossi too actually ......... he didn't come off. Might I remind you that he had a lot of DNF's at the end of 2011 ......... 10th place is way better!!.

Ducati need to ignore some of Rossi's tantrums and spurious bad runs and take Hayden into account too.

The Germans will teach them how and when to ignore Rossi.

Why do you care? The discussion has nothing to do with Stoner.....

frizzle · Apr 19, 2012

xx CURVE xx said:
The difference is Yamaha did what R/B asked for in order to get M1 to compete..Duc hasnt.

Bollocks - Yamaha did what they needed to.

Furasawa should take a hell of a lot more credit then Rossi or Burgess.

Oh & Ducati have never tried as hard as they have right now for any other rider on the grid.

They may still not have it right, but they have bent over backwards trying. They did virtually no development for anyone else.

But that's fair because it's Vale right?

Goatboy · Apr 19, 2012

Frizzle said:
Bollocks - Yamaha did what they needed to.

Furasawa should take a hell of a lot more credit then Rossi or Burgess.

Oh & Ducati have never tried as hard as they have right now for any other rider on the grid.

They may still not have it right, but they have bent over backwards trying. They did virtually no development for anyone else.

But that's fair because it's Vale right?

Well the bias in your view is obvious.

BarryMachine · Apr 19, 2012

Talpa said:
Why do you care? The discussion has nothing to do with Stoner.....

It has everything to do with Stoner. Since you bring him up ......... its obviously the most important thing of all to you boppers ...................... to beat Stoner.

And I can see why:

Stoner usurped Rossi as the GOAT .......... so Rossi's current performance is being judged by you boppers against Stoner. You all won't see Rossi as being successful until he beats Stoner ..... and to some extent Lorenzo ......

The Boppers wanted Rossi to go to Ducati because of a want to prove himself on a bike that the boppers said rode Stoner around.

Stoner has got a few race wins on a Ducati ....... quite a few.

Stoner has got a WC on a Ducati. The same bike nobody else could ride ......... even the falsely acclaimed Rossi.

Rossi is one of the underlings in the same series Stoner is racing in.

Since you mentioned Stoner ( which I had not ) .............. until now I did not see the link

xx CURVE xx · Apr 19, 2012

Frizzle said:
Bollocks - Yamaha did what they needed to.

Furasawa should take a hell of a lot more credit then Rossi or Burgess.

Oh & Ducati have never tried as hard as they have right now for any other rider on the grid.

They may still not have it right, but they have bent over backwards trying. They did virtually no development for anyone else.

But that's fair because it's Vale right?

hell yeah Furasawa deserves as much if not more credit ..he's the one who cracked the whip and got it done.

as far as Ducatri trying......

and i never said Duc is not trying...

xx CURVE xx · Apr 19, 2012

Talpa · Apr 19, 2012

Frizzle said:
Bollocks - Yamaha did what they needed to.

Furasawa should take a hell of a lot more credit then Rossi or Burgess.

Oh & Ducati have never tried as hard as they have right now for any other rider on the grid.

They may still not have it right, but they have bent over backwards trying. They did virtually no development for anyone else.

But that's fair because it's Vale right?

Your calling bollocks and then offer this opinion as fact.......

So why then should we believe you when Masao stated after Rossi had left Yamaha, that it was Rossi who provided essential feedback and was directly responsible for the direction the M1 took? Then they went on to win their first title in 12 years.......coincidence?

I know who I would believe

BarryMachine · Apr 19, 2012

Ahhhh!! Maseo .......... he was so humble . What a great guy.

birdman · Apr 19, 2012

Talpa said:
Your calling bollocks and then offer this opinion as fact.......

So why then should we believe you when Masao stated after Rossi had left Yamaha, that it was Rossi who provided essential feedback and was directly responsible for the direction the M1 took? Then they went on to win their first title in 12 years.......coincidence?

I know who I would believe

Because the 2012 Yamaha is a great bike.

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