Who thinks Rossi will retire at the end of 2012?

Talpa said:

My point was around the value added to having Rossi on your bike and brand, good and bad Publicity is still publicity, and some if not most sponsors and money men only really care about how much time their brand spends in front of how many people......Ducati has never had this much publicity, even when they won the title in 2007, albeit most of it is bad, but they still have major money men backing them, and now are owned by a massive global automotive player. A reversal of fortune for the Rossi/Ducati situation, if it occurs, will be the stuff of legend, and will be the most covered/ talked about event in motorsport, and I'm sure a lot of brands would like to, and pay huge sums to have their logo in the picture if this occurs........maybe Marlboro, AMG, Enel, Monster etc, know much more than we think.....

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No doubt it would be absolutely huge if rossi did turn it around for ducati, and not much less so if he went back to yamaha and did so. It would probably also have a halo effect for the sport which would last after his retirement.



I am not sure what attitude vw/audi will have to motogp. There was talk that carmelo convinced the former ducati principal during a round of golf that motogp was the premier series where he should focus his efforts to promote his premium product rather than wsbk. Having the bike regarded as exotic and difficult while still winning the odd race against the might of the japanese factories probably helps a niche product like ducati. Whether VW will want to massively fund a losing effort for long if there is no sign of an imminent turn around is another question, particularly when they can win in wsbk. They particIpate in sports car/le mans racing rather than F1.

Talpa said:

My point was around the value added to having Rossi on your bike and brand, A. good and bad Publicity is still publicity, and some if not most sponsors and money men only really care about how much time their brand spends in front of how many people......Ducati has never had this much publicity, even when they won the title in 2007, albeit most of it is bad, but they still have major money men backing them, and now are owned by a massive global automotive player. A reversal of fortune for the Rossi/Ducati situation, B. if it occurs, will be the stuff of legend, and will be the most covered/ talked about event in motorsport, and I'm sure a lot of brands would like to, and pay huge sums to have their logo in the picture if this occurs........maybe Marlboro, AMG, Enel, Monster etc, know much more than we think.....

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A. Tell that to Tiger Woods, Roman Polanski, the Watergate Conspirators and Nixon, Eliot Spitzer, etc.



B. That's one hell of a big IF. I'm not much of a gambler but if it were my money on the table with those kind of odds - I'd be sweating.

Keshav said:

A. Tell that to Tiger Woods, Roman Polanski, the Watergate Conspirators and Nixon, Eliot Spitzer, etc.



B. That's one hell of a big IF. I'm not much of a gambler but if it were my money on the table with those kind of odds - I'd be sweating.

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You are an ....., comparing Adultery, Sexual Assault, Theft, etc, with someone not performing in a sport.

Keshav said:

A. Tell that to Tiger Woods, Roman Polanski, the Watergate Conspirators and Nixon, Eliot Spitzer, etc.

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Extremes much.......even for arguments sake this is ridiculous, not surprisingly





Maybe I should clarify, bad publicity in regards to performance is on a different level to bad publicity in regards to breaking laws, and generally behaving deplorably

michaelm said:

No doubt it would be absolutely huge if rossi did turn it around for ducati, and not much less so if he went back to yamaha and did so. It would probably also have a halo effect for the sport which would last after his retirement.



I am not sure what attitude vw/audi will have to motogp. There was talk that carmelo convinced the former ducati principal during a round of golf that motogp was the premier series where he should focus his efforts to promote his premium product rather than wsbk. Having the bike regarded as exotic and difficult while still winning the odd race against the might of the japanese factories probably helps a niche product like ducati. Whether VW will want to massively fund a losing effort for long if there is no sign of an imminent turn around is another question, particularly when they can win in wsbk. They particIpate in sports car/le mans racing rather than F1.

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I think what Carmelo had in mind back then in comparison to the series as it stands now with tech regs still fairly out of control are two fairly different animals. Back in the early 990 days Ducati could experiment, gamble and use extremes to compete-Honda has gradually fixed that-so that only money and resources-and lots of both is required. We must remember that Ducati is small in comparison to it's competitors, lets also remember that there are much larger manufactures not even there at all mainly due to my latter points.



A German (Audi/VW) approach to this situation could be detrimental to Ducati and Motogp, as logically when you look at it-competing with Honda in particular, who have written the rules to attempt to ensure their dominance, on top of a control tyre added to the mix, means you have to conform to what they are doing-Twin spar/new V engine on the way etc. This is not a good move for a company looking to distinguish itself and its creative engineering capacity, and Audi does pride itself on exceptional race engineering, which usually doesn't conform-probably why they aren't interested in F1. The new powers that be at Ducati may just call and end to the whole thing as of Nov 2012.........then again, those Germans are also known for some outlandish behavior

Goatboy said:

It's easy to forget we are only one race in.

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Many people said the same thing this time last year.......................

stnd said:

You are an ....., comparing Adultery, Sexual Assault, Theft, etc, with someone not performing in a sport.

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Well Rossi has:



Adulterated Ducati



...... Ducati when they didn't want to be .....



and stole $15mil. from them





Keshav you need to find some examples far worse methinks.

Bunyip said:

Many people said the same thing this time last year.......................

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Well we don't all only support winners.

stnd said:

You are an ....., comparing Adultery, Sexual Assault, Theft, etc, with someone not performing in a sport.

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Talpa said:

Extremes much.......even for arguments sake this is ridiculous, not surprisingly





Maybe I should clarify, bad publicity in regards to performance is on a different level to bad publicity in regards to breaking laws, and generally behaving deplorably

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Persistently obtuse much?



The key word is "BAD" as in negative. Negative publicity is okay for gangster rappers and the Amy Winehouses of the world. However, poor performance does not sell motorcycles. If poor performance sold motorcycles Kawasaki and Suzuki would still be in MotoGP. Simple as that.



What is it about the internet that brings out hordes of people who consistently and vitrolically defend statements that defy logic?

BarryMachine said:

http://www.motorcycl...lentino-Rossi-/

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Interesting quotes in that piece:

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HRC boss Livio Suppo told MCN recently: “It is difficult to see a situation where Valentino will be back. In the factory team, we already have two very fast and strong riders and I don’t see any reason why with all respect to Valentino, we should change one of them with him.”​

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In an interview with MCN at the end of 2011, Yamaha boss Lin Jarvis said: “I think it is not an option to consider having Valentino and Jorge together for the future of the Yamaha team.”​

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Stefan Bradl must be high on the list for the German board members of VAG.



Rossi replaced by Bradl could be very possible.

Keshav said:

Persistently obtuse much?



The key word is "BAD" as in negative. Negative publicity is okay for gangster rappers and the Amy Winehouses of the world. However, poor performance does not sell motorcycles. If poor performance sold motorcycles Kawasaki and Suzuki would still be in MotoGP. Simple as that.



What is it about the internet that brings out hordes of people who consistently and vitrolically defend statements that defy logic?

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Stop talking .... then. HORDES? Two people responded to you. You chose to take a few words out of context without including the clarification that followed and then compared it to something completely different.



In Rossi's case, Marlboro being the head sponsor they do not even sell motorcycles so having their name advertised is great for them.

stnd said:

Stop talking .... then. HORDES? Two people responded to you. You chose to take a few words out of context without including the clarification that followed and then compared it to something completely different.



In Rossi's case, Marlboro being the head sponsor they do not even sell motorcycles so having their name advertised is great for them.

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Do you honestly believe that you and Talpa are unique? Re: my question of persistence.... I would say you've answered that one. Good job. I see in your avatar box you mention "Loud Twins". A euphemism for you and Talpa?



Don't waste too much time coming up with your next witty reply. Soon there will be racing to talk about and I won't have time for you. In fact when there's racing to talk about pretty much anyone here who is of any real interest will ignore you and you will have to go back trading insults with the gimps at Crashnet.

Evolution said:

He is a ......, fact.

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There is that

Audi-VW, like many others (me included), could think that it is best for Ducati to focus on winning in SBK, rather than hope for an improbable supremacy in MotoGP; I think the MotoGP project would have already been abandoned by Ducati, had they not hit that magic combination with Stoner that made them dream on. But...



There is a 'but'. Ducati was competitive in the hands of Loris Capirossi up to 2006, when the bikes where 990cc and less sophisticated; now, if in 2013 they implement that 15,000 rpm limit, the series would become less high-tech, even if it would still be prototypes.



Add to that the fact that two "major" world championships is probably one too many nowadays, and we could be looking forward to a premier series 'downgraded' to some kind of super-SBK formula, with SBK fading and merging into SuperStock. A premier series in which not only Ducati, but also BMW, Aprilia, Kawasaki, and Suzuki could be competitive.

J4rn0 said:

Audi-VW, like many others (me included), could think that it is best for Ducati to focus on winning in SBK, rather than hope for an improbable supremacy in MotoGP; I think the MotoGP project would have already been abandoned by Ducati, had they not hit that magic combination with Stoner that made them dream on. But...



There is a 'but'. Ducati was competitive in the hands of Loris Capirossi up to 2006, when the bikes where 990cc and less sophisticated; now, if in 2013 they implement that 15,000 rpm limit, the series would become less high-tech, even if it would still be prototypes.



Add to that the fact that two "major" world championships is probably one too many nowadays, and we could be looking forward to a premier series 'downgraded' to some kind of super-SBK formula, with SBK fading and merging into SuperStock. A premier series in which not only Ducati, but also BMW, Aprilia, Kawasaki, and Suzuki could be competitive.

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It's kind of funny that people forget that, and it wasn't so long ago. That was the year that Capi became a big favorite of mine.

The 2006 Duc was butt ugly - but it Capi's rides were a thing of beauty.

J4rn0 said:

Audi-VW, like many others (me included), could think that it is best for Ducati to focus on winning in SBK, rather than hope for an improbable supremacy in MotoGP; I think the MotoGP project would have already been abandoned by Ducati, had they not hit that magic combination with Stoner that made them dream on. But...



There is a 'but'. Ducati was competitive in the hands of Loris Capirossi up to 2006, when the bikes where 990cc and less sophisticated; now, if in 2013 they implement that 15,000 rpm limit, the series would become less high-tech, even if it would still be prototypes.



Add to that the fact that two "major" world championships is probably one too many nowadays, and we could be looking forward to a premier series 'downgraded' to some kind of super-SBK formula, with SBK fading and merging into SuperStock. A premier series in which not only Ducati, but also BMW, Aprilia, Kawasaki, and Suzuki could be competitive.

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If the 15k RPM rule is established, could not "DucAudi" come with the "so dreamed" (by Fillipo) twin cylinder? In the end the 15k RPM could help them dispose the Desmosedici project and revive their winning formula. I think it's possible once the engine is not so important anymore.



http://www.asphaltan...ment-interview/



Another question I have is parallel and for self evaluation, but how many grammatical errors have I committed since the start of this post?

BarryMachine said:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/s...ndaorYamahareturnunlikelyforValentino-Rossi-/

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Firstly thats mcn. Secondly the M1 is wat it is now because of Rossi/Burgers input. Give the man his bike.

gui22a said:

If the 15k RPM rule is established, could not "DucAudi" come with the "so dreamed" (by Fillipo) twin cylinder? In the end the 15k RPM could help them dispose the Desmosedici project and revive their winning formula. I think it's possible once the engine is not so important anymore.

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81mm max bore. Makes twins impossible.