Who thinks Rossi will retire at the end of 2012?

Furusawa is the one who said that Rossi is a genius for describing how a bike behaves (which is only a part of development of course, but can be crucial). He said he was always astoundingly precise.



Interestingly, Furusawa (speaking at the end of 2010) added that Ducati are probably doing something wrong, and that maybe Valentino could turn out to be too good for Ducati, adding just another 'noise'.



It would be interesting to interview Masao now.

Kropotkin said:

Where's he going to go?







Why would he even be considering throwing away a very promising career?

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Money! I dont see a factory Yamaha or Honda on the horizon for Bradl. If Ducati will pay him 3-4 million to ride that turd, why not set yourself up for life financially .Im guessing he is making about a tenth of that currently on a bike that wont win.

povol said:

Money! I dont see a factory Yamaha or Honda on the horizon for Bradl. If Ducati will pay him 3-4 million to ride that turd, why not set yourself up for life financially .Im guessing he is making about a tenth of that currently on a bike that wont win.

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None of these boys are in it for money. If there was a bike that would guarantee them a title, every man jack of them would ride it for free.

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Furusawa is the one who said that Rossi is a genius for describing how a bike behaves (which is only a part of development of course, but can be crucial). He said he was always astoundingly precise.

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Describing how a bike behaves is exactly it. There is absolutely no doubt Rossi is one of the very best at doing this, Preziosi said similar things at Valencia in 2010, the first time he worked with Rossi. But that isn't the same as developing a bike. Furusawa listened to that feedback, and thought of ways of solving the shortcomings and improving the strong points.

Kropotkin said:

Describing how a bike behaves is exactly it. There is absolutely no doubt Rossi is one of the very best at doing this, Preziosi said similar things at Valencia in 2010, the first time he worked with Rossi. But that isn't the same as developing a bike. Furusawa listened to that feedback, and thought of ways of solving the shortcomings and improving the strong points.

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If you could manage to interview Furusawa on the Rossi-Ducati topic it would he huge...

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If you could manage to interview Furusawa on the Rossi-Ducati topic it would he huge...

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I'm not sure he would want to talk about it. Would upset Rossi, Ducati, Yamaha. I can try though.

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Interestingly, Furusawa (speaking at the end of 2010) added that Ducati are probably doing something wrong, and that maybe Valentino could turn out to be too good for Ducati, adding just another 'noise'.



It would be interesting to interview Masao now.

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As I recall it was the the use of carbon fibre that he questioned.



Would love to read an interview with him now.

It's clear that he didn't develop the bike but it was built around him as stated by furusawa. He was the development rider and Yamaha gave him what he wanted. How many crappy chassis did yam go through in 2010. Rossi has said Duc hasn't built what he asked for and there is no reason not to believe him

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Describing how a bike behaves is exactly it. There is absolutely no doubt Rossi is one of the very best at doing this, Preziosi said similar things at Valencia in 2010, the first time he worked with Rossi. But that isn't the same as developing a bike. Furusawa listened to that feedback, and thought of ways of solving the shortcomings and improving the strong points.

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Naw, naw....Rossi ain't gon retire. True dat. He reppin the 203....ain't nobody gonna make the kang retire. Fo'real. he done gon' spank any challenja.

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I'm not sure he would want to talk about it. Would upset Rossi, Ducati, Yamaha. I can try though.

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Your job is probably one of the best in the world. I'm here sitting in my chair wondering how could I manage to watch my first MotoGP race in loco next year and you can simply sit with all the bosses to have a coffee and a couple of questions at will. How amazing it is.

gui22a said:

Your job is probably one of the best in the world. I'm here sitting in my chair wondering how could I manage to watch my first MotoGP race in loco next year and you can simply sit with all the bosses to have a coffee and a couple of questions at will. How amazing it is.

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It is pretty amazing. Can't quite ask people questions at will, but it's not that far off. Still can't really believe it's happening.

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It is pretty amazing. Can't quite ask people questions at will, but it's not that far off. Still can't really believe it's happening.

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And we're very lucky to have you chatting with us and sharing all the info through your site with so ....... damn good quality. Sorry but I have to thank you for Motomatters. Can't wait for that interview.

Goatboy said:

Still not getting it are you.

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Yes I get it. You have nothing.

Kropotkin said:

Describing how a bike behaves is exactly it. There is absolutely no doubt Rossi is one of the very best at doing this, Preziosi said similar things at Valencia in 2010, the first time he worked with Rossi. But that isn't the same as developing a bike. Furusawa listened to that feedback, and thought of ways of solving the shortcomings and improving the strong points.

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Well Krop you just said it yourself. Who thought of ways of solving the shortcomings and improving the strong points? The rider can only describe what the bike is doing on track. I'm pretty sure most of them out there can do that. It's also pretty obvious some factories are better & putting that feedback into action. Some are also better resourced to do so than others.

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The rider can only describe what the bike is doing on track. I'm pretty sure most of them out there can do that.

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There is a genuine difference between riders here. Some are much better at it than others, especially with prioritizing problem areas (i.e. fix this first, then this, then this). Others can't describe what they are feeling clearly enough for engineers to identify the real problems.

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There is a genuine difference between riders here. Some are much better at it than others, especially with prioritizing problem areas (i.e. fix this first, then this, then this). Others can't describe what they are feeling clearly enough for engineers to identify the real problems.

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Seeing as your here, and trying to talk sense into these moronic boners neo bopperbones, I thought I would add this from your site, I'm hoping the member doesn't mind but I feel this is the best post I've read in regards to this situation-Thank you Motor.



Re: Adaptable Rossi Revisit



by motor on Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:58 am

Honestly, the pattern that always repeats is:



1. The more you win, the more enemies you make. period.



2. Your enemies stay silent as long as you are winning.



3. You can't keep winning. period. Sooner or later you start declining to .... shape.



4. Once you start declining, you come under fire. The truth is that you're currently ...., but

that's not enough for your enemies - they want to prove that you've always been .....



5. It's easy to prove that you've always been .... - just accuse that your past achievements

were down to good luck and resources.



6. However, time moves on, emotional rants are forgotten slowly, and only the hard numbers

remain to tell the story of a long forgotten past.



This has happened to others, is happening to Rossi, and will happen to Stoner, Lorenzo, etc.



is a strong word, but my english is average at best so will settle for that







Trying to take the piss out of Rossi's achievements with the Yamaha are utterly idiotic, and I completely agree with Goatboy-borderline psychotic rants without cause, reason or fact- driven by hatred and parochialism

Kropotkin said:

There is a genuine difference between riders here. Some are much better at it than others, especially with prioritizing problem areas (i.e. fix this first, then this, then this). Others can't describe what they are feeling clearly enough for engineers to identify the real problems.

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But clearly Rossi's description of what the bike is doing would differ greatly to what Stoners would, what with the difference in riding styles. So it is a nonsense to say Rossi could develop "provide feedback for development of" a bike for Stoner and Stoner for Rossi.

Again this is born out in Stoners ability to ride a bike loose.

I am surprised you agree with some aspects of that post from motomatters, talpa, particularly that rossi is now "....". I don't, and still think he would be a strong challenger for the championship on a suitable bike (ie any factory bike other than a ducati).



I agree and have agreed previously with the last point of the post, that in the long term the remainder of rossi's career speaks and will speak for itself, and believe this is so regardless of whether he turns ducati around. I think attempting to make the current ridiculous anti-rossi stuff a current reflection of a universal/common process is pushing it though. I struggle to find a parallel in regard to a sportsman of rossi's stature. No-one much seems to be saying schumacher's 7 titles are diminished by his mediocre results with mercedes, and tiger wood's character has been re-assessed but not his sporting achievements. This probably makes the rossi stuff even less justifiable, but you guys could perhaps look at what preceded/precipitated it, ie years of "borderline psychotic rants without cause, reason or fact -driven by hatred and parochialism" by some against stoner, and widespread attribution by a certain element among fandom of his achievements and those of nicky hayden to luck, and to resources ie major bike advantages.



Again this does not justify what is going on now, and I am with jumkie and latterly kropotkin that the "neobopperism" is now even worse than the former "bopperism", Jumkie probably even has a point that the "boppers" tended to have more sense of humour. I don't forget how vicious some of the stoner stuff was in 2009 however, extending far beyond denigration of his achievements.



Even I am tired of 10 concurrent threads where barry proclaims stoner's total godhood and that rossi never was anything. As I have said previously if stoner is no good and even more so if rossi isn't, then the whole sport is bogus and there is no point any of us caring about it.

Talpa said:

Seeing as your here, and trying to talk sense into these moronic boners neo bopperbones, I thought I would add this from your site, I'm hoping the member doesn't mind but I feel this is the best post I've read in regards to this situation-Thank you Motor.

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Talpa, this sort of crap is why its difficult for anyone to see other than total hypocracy and fairytales with you. That could be anyone posting that ............ are you legitimizing it because its on Kropo's site? Thats the implication, how do you think that makes your case look!??

Talpa said:

Seeing as your here, and trying to talk sense into these moronic boners neo bopperbones, I thought I would add this from your site, I'm hoping the member doesn't mind but I feel this is the best post I've read in regards to this situation-Thank you Motor.



Re: Adaptable Rossi Revisit



by motor on Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:58 am

Honestly, the pattern that always repeats is:



1. The more you win, the more enemies you make. period.



2. Your enemies stay silent as long as you are winning.



3. You can't keep winning. period. Sooner or later you start declining to .... shape.



4. Once you start declining, you come under fire. The truth is that you're currently ...., but

that's not enough for your enemies - they want to prove that you've always been .....



5. It's easy to prove that you've always been .... - just accuse that your past achievements

were down to good luck and resources.



6. However, time moves on, emotional rants are forgotten slowly, and only the hard numbers

remain to tell the story of a long forgotten past.



This has happened to others, is happening to Rossi, and will happen to Stoner, Lorenzo, etc.



is a strong word, but my english is average at best so will settle for that

Trying to take the piss out of Rossi's achievements with the Yamaha are utterly idiotic, and I completely agree with Goatboy-borderline psychotic rants without cause, reason or fact- driven by hatred and parochialism

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I'm not trying to discredit him on the Yamaha at all. Don't be so defensive. He won mostly because he was by far the best rider out there. If it was a case of the bike just being great, then Edwards would have won a fair few races as well. I don't question Vales talent, I don't question that on a current Yamaha or Honda he would still be fighting for wins. I don't buy the "he is too old" crap either. My argument is solely that a lot of people put too much into the rider development thing.