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I'm gonna say Jorge Ive believed in him since he came to the big bikes. IMO Stoner is not the same rider when he doesn't have a bike that allows him to clear off.
In 2007, anyone could see the Duke had the raw speed advantage, and Stoner's ability and talent allowed him to exploit this and take the title. Since the Honda and the Yam caught up in speed, Stoner is having to fight for the wins, and I think it's fair to say he gets rattled during close racing. Nothing unusual there.
Lorenzo is going head to head with Rossi on the same bike, and fighting him week in week out. His reaction to Rossi's comment after the last race was awesome. Not losing his cool and saying how he had lost respect for him when it got close, but saying wait til next time.
Jorge takes it for me.
Pete
In 2007, anyone could see the Duke had the raw speed advantage, and Stoner's ability and talent allowed him to exploit this and take the title. Since the Honda and the Yam caught up in speed, Stoner is having to fight for the wins, and I think it's fair to say he gets rattled during close racing. Nothing unusual there.
Lorenzo is going head to head with Rossi on the same bike, and fighting him week in week out. His reaction to Rossi's comment after the last race was awesome. Not losing his cool and saying how he had lost respect for him when it got close, but saying wait til next time.
Jorge takes it for me.
Pete
Stoner for sure.
They are both on equal points and Lorenzo is on the best bike in the field, where as Casey is on a bike that in anyother hands would finish in p11.
You only have to look at the body language of the 2 bikes to see that M1 is sooooo much sweeter than the Duke. So the net result has to suggest that Casey is doing the same job as Lorenzo on inferior machinery.
They are both on equal points and Lorenzo is on the best bike in the field, where as Casey is on a bike that in anyother hands would finish in p11.
You only have to look at the body language of the 2 bikes to see that M1 is sooooo much sweeter than the Duke. So the net result has to suggest that Casey is doing the same job as Lorenzo on inferior machinery.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (is200 @ Jun 26 2009, 12:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner for sure.
They are both on equal points and Lorenzo is on the best bike in the field, where as Casey is on a bike that in anyother hands would finish in p11.
You only have to look at the body language of the 2 bikes to see that M1 is sooooo much sweeter than the Duke. So the net result has to suggest that Casey is doing the same job as Lorenzo on inferior machinery.
The real net result to me is that Casey continues to ride an inferior machine hence Stoner is a ..... and Lorenzo is a genius for getting a seat on the best machine. Mabey Stoner is just in it for the money
Lorenzo has ticked all the boxes Valentino has at an even younger age, he is the next GOAT
Stoner 1 : Wc
Lorenzo 2 : Wc's
They are both on equal points and Lorenzo is on the best bike in the field, where as Casey is on a bike that in anyother hands would finish in p11.
You only have to look at the body language of the 2 bikes to see that M1 is sooooo much sweeter than the Duke. So the net result has to suggest that Casey is doing the same job as Lorenzo on inferior machinery.
The real net result to me is that Casey continues to ride an inferior machine hence Stoner is a ..... and Lorenzo is a genius for getting a seat on the best machine. Mabey Stoner is just in it for the money
Lorenzo has ticked all the boxes Valentino has at an even younger age, he is the next GOAT
Stoner 1 : Wc
Lorenzo 2 : Wc's
Hey Johnny, you are right that Lorenzo has the pedigree to be one of the best. I dont know if he will be though, there just seems to be something lacking there for me.
As for Casey being in it for the money, you have to be kidding. Have you seen his house in Aust? Its a mid 80's family home, sure its on land but nothing special, compare that to Vermulen's mansion with his plethora of cars etc... Also Casey was initially on a one year deal with Duke, and mid way through 07 they re-signed him for like another 3 years i think (actually could have been 2) so when he resigned his bike was the best bike. Lorenzo's timing was perfect to get the Yam ride, and he also throughly deserves that ride. But as far as Stoner being an ..... and in it for the money is a fairly massive bow to draw.
And id be pretty confident that Lorenzo would trade all his previous WC's for a Singel WC in the highest level of the sport and beating th GOAT. As would Dani for that matter.
But your referance about Casey moving to a better bike is not a bad idea. I guess it comes down to what is avaliable. I mean Yam would never sign him now in the same team as Vale. It would be asking for trouble, iv heard that Lorenzo will be moving on from them at teh end of this season. As Rossi deserves undisputed no1 status. Then its really just Honda, and we all know the managment issues they seem to have. So perhaps Ducatti is the better bet. Tough call.
As for Casey being in it for the money, you have to be kidding. Have you seen his house in Aust? Its a mid 80's family home, sure its on land but nothing special, compare that to Vermulen's mansion with his plethora of cars etc... Also Casey was initially on a one year deal with Duke, and mid way through 07 they re-signed him for like another 3 years i think (actually could have been 2) so when he resigned his bike was the best bike. Lorenzo's timing was perfect to get the Yam ride, and he also throughly deserves that ride. But as far as Stoner being an ..... and in it for the money is a fairly massive bow to draw.
And id be pretty confident that Lorenzo would trade all his previous WC's for a Singel WC in the highest level of the sport and beating th GOAT. As would Dani for that matter.
But your referance about Casey moving to a better bike is not a bad idea. I guess it comes down to what is avaliable. I mean Yam would never sign him now in the same team as Vale. It would be asking for trouble, iv heard that Lorenzo will be moving on from them at teh end of this season. As Rossi deserves undisputed no1 status. Then its really just Honda, and we all know the managment issues they seem to have. So perhaps Ducatti is the better bet. Tough call.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jun 26 2009, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo would suck on the Duc..Stoner would be fast on the Yam..Rossi can ride anything
Nuf said....
Put Happy George on the Duc and lets see how tough he is.
Put Stoner on the Yamaha and see what happens.
Plus, Casey got a hot wife.
Nuf said....
Put Happy George on the Duc and lets see how tough he is.
Put Stoner on the Yamaha and see what happens.
Plus, Casey got a hot wife.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jun 25 2009, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo would suck on the Duc..Stoner would be fast on the Yam..Rossi can ride anything
can't believe that just came from YOU curve. wow.
but seriously, curve hit it on the head. period. end of discussion.
but seriously, curve hit it on the head. period. end of discussion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Jun 25 2009, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nuf said....
Put Happy George on the Duc and lets see how tough he is.
Put Stoner on the Yamaha and see what happens.
Plus, Casey got a hot wife.
Casey is a dumb ... for getting married so young. He is a World champ he can have a girl 3x as hot at every track if he wanted. Why do you think Jorge and Nicky aren't married
Put Happy George on the Duc and lets see how tough he is.
Put Stoner on the Yamaha and see what happens.
Plus, Casey got a hot wife.
Casey is a dumb ... for getting married so young. He is a World champ he can have a girl 3x as hot at every track if he wanted. Why do you think Jorge and Nicky aren't married
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (is200 @ Jun 26 2009, 02:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey Johnny, you are right that Lorenzo has the pedigree to be one of the best. I dont know if he will be though, there just seems to be something lacking there for me.
As for Casey being in it for the money, you have to be kidding. Have you seen his house in Aust? Its a mid 80's family home, sure its on land but nothing special, compare that to Vermulen's mansion with his plethora of cars etc... Also Casey was initially on a one year deal with Duke, and mid way through 07 they re-signed him for like another 3 years i think (actually could have been 2) so when he resigned his bike was the best bike. Lorenzo's timing was perfect to get the Yam ride, and he also throughly deserves that ride. But as far as Stoner being an ..... and in it for the money is a fairly massive bow to draw.
And id be pretty confident that Lorenzo would trade all his previous WC's for a Singel WC in the highest level of the sport and beating th GOAT. As would Dani for that matter.
But your referance about Casey moving to a better bike is not a bad idea. I guess it comes down to what is avaliable. I mean Yam would never sign him now in the same team as Vale. It would be asking for trouble, iv heard that Lorenzo will be moving on from them at teh end of this season. As Rossi deserves undisputed no1 status. Then its really just Honda, and we all know the managment issues they seem to have. So perhaps Ducatti is the better bet. Tough call.
I was kidding mate. Casey seems to be a very modest and honest person and his racing heart is true. Thats very obvious.
I'd like to see him and Jorge on Yamahas. The fact that Stoner is the only person able to ride and win regulary on a Ducati dose not really impress me but I am impressed by how he rides it
As for Casey being in it for the money, you have to be kidding. Have you seen his house in Aust? Its a mid 80's family home, sure its on land but nothing special, compare that to Vermulen's mansion with his plethora of cars etc... Also Casey was initially on a one year deal with Duke, and mid way through 07 they re-signed him for like another 3 years i think (actually could have been 2) so when he resigned his bike was the best bike. Lorenzo's timing was perfect to get the Yam ride, and he also throughly deserves that ride. But as far as Stoner being an ..... and in it for the money is a fairly massive bow to draw.
And id be pretty confident that Lorenzo would trade all his previous WC's for a Singel WC in the highest level of the sport and beating th GOAT. As would Dani for that matter.
But your referance about Casey moving to a better bike is not a bad idea. I guess it comes down to what is avaliable. I mean Yam would never sign him now in the same team as Vale. It would be asking for trouble, iv heard that Lorenzo will be moving on from them at teh end of this season. As Rossi deserves undisputed no1 status. Then its really just Honda, and we all know the managment issues they seem to have. So perhaps Ducatti is the better bet. Tough call.
I was kidding mate. Casey seems to be a very modest and honest person and his racing heart is true. Thats very obvious.
I'd like to see him and Jorge on Yamahas. The fact that Stoner is the only person able to ride and win regulary on a Ducati dose not really impress me but I am impressed by how he rides it
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Jun 25 2009, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>to hear Biaggi............... the M1 was impossible to ride
unitl VR & JB got a hold of it
YEah but we are talking about todays bike which Lorenzo never rode the old one so there is no comparison at all. Plus that was a 990 and these are totally different bikes than those in almost every way.
Plus Biaggi come on he is not as good as ROssi, Stoner, or Lorenzo. IMO.
unitl VR & JB got a hold of it
YEah but we are talking about todays bike which Lorenzo never rode the old one so there is no comparison at all. Plus that was a 990 and these are totally different bikes than those in almost every way.
Plus Biaggi come on he is not as good as ROssi, Stoner, or Lorenzo. IMO.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jun 25 2009, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How can it be impossible to ride if he has won on it? Its obviously not impossible to ride. It just take the right style and focus. Casey crashed alot on a decent Honda so your point dose not stand up. Its going to take another 2 or 3 years until we really know the answer to whos better.
Well I said everyone SAYS it is hard to ride. Casey proved them wrong. Plus you can't compare the honda that he had to this DUC. THe ...... tires he got from Michelin were a huge reason why he crashed alot on the honda. SO my point easily stands up if you know your history and not just the surface of the issue. I think both are extremely talented obviously if your taking it to Rossi week after week neithr is a slouch by any stretch.
Well I said everyone SAYS it is hard to ride. Casey proved them wrong. Plus you can't compare the honda that he had to this DUC. THe ...... tires he got from Michelin were a huge reason why he crashed alot on the honda. SO my point easily stands up if you know your history and not just the surface of the issue. I think both are extremely talented obviously if your taking it to Rossi week after week neithr is a slouch by any stretch.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The California Kid @ Jun 26 2009, 02:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Casey is a dumb ... for getting married so young. He is a World champ he can have a girl 3x as hot at every track if he wanted. Why do you think Jorge and Nicky aren't married
Dude with Adriana being as beautiful as she is DAMN he was smart.
Dude with Adriana being as beautiful as she is DAMN he was smart.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The California Kid @ Jun 25 2009, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Casey is a dumb ... for getting married so young. He is a World champ he can have a girl 3x as hot at every track if he wanted. Why do you think Jorge and Nicky aren't married
Well for starters Nicky Hayden is gay, or at the very least shows gay tendencies. As far as Jorge goes.... I don't know, the way he sucks on that lollipop, one can only guess.
BTW Mrs. Stoner is a hottie, but then when you hear the story of how Casey Stoner met her while signing his autograph on her stomache, one can only guess what her past is.... an ex Rossi groupie perhaps?
Well for starters Nicky Hayden is gay, or at the very least shows gay tendencies. As far as Jorge goes.... I don't know, the way he sucks on that lollipop, one can only guess.
BTW Mrs. Stoner is a hottie, but then when you hear the story of how Casey Stoner met her while signing his autograph on her stomache, one can only guess what her past is.... an ex Rossi groupie perhaps?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Jun 26 2009, 03:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well for starters Nicky Hayden is gay, or at the very least shows gay tendencies. As far as Jorge goes.... I don't know, the way he sucks on that lollipop, one can only guess.
BTW Mrs. Stoner is a hottie, but then when you hear the story of how Casey Stoner met her while signing his autograph on her stomache, one can only guess what her past is.... an ex Rossi groupie perhaps?
Hayden is not gay but shinya is.
BTW Mrs. Stoner is a hottie, but then when you hear the story of how Casey Stoner met her while signing his autograph on her stomache, one can only guess what her past is.... an ex Rossi groupie perhaps?
Hayden is not gay but shinya is.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Jun 26 2009, 11:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well for starters Nicky Hayden is gay, or at the very least shows gay tendencies. As far as Jorge goes.... I don't know, the way he sucks on that lollipop, one can only guess.
BTW Mrs. Stoner is a hottie, but then when you hear the story of how Casey Stoner met her while signing his autograph on her stomache, one can only guess what her past is.... an ex Rossi groupie perhaps?
Nikki is not gay, he loves the ladies, the first story Casey told me about Nicky back in early 07 was that Nicky was trying to chat up some bird floating about the paddock, Casey and Him were on a scooter together and he saw this chick running...he rides over to her and in his southern drawl (as impresonated by Casey) says 'dang girl...you don neda run'. From all reports he is very into chasing the tail.
And Adrianna was a quiet unassuming girl, i was at Phillip Island that weekend and was the first time i met Casey, Adrianna was anything but a Rossi groupie.
One of the reasons they got married was because Casey has travelled all his life, you know with his parents and stuff but he jsut wanted to settle down. With his job he could not really do that, but at least he could to an extent by getting married.
BTW Mrs. Stoner is a hottie, but then when you hear the story of how Casey Stoner met her while signing his autograph on her stomache, one can only guess what her past is.... an ex Rossi groupie perhaps?
Nikki is not gay, he loves the ladies, the first story Casey told me about Nicky back in early 07 was that Nicky was trying to chat up some bird floating about the paddock, Casey and Him were on a scooter together and he saw this chick running...he rides over to her and in his southern drawl (as impresonated by Casey) says 'dang girl...you don neda run'. From all reports he is very into chasing the tail.
And Adrianna was a quiet unassuming girl, i was at Phillip Island that weekend and was the first time i met Casey, Adrianna was anything but a Rossi groupie.
One of the reasons they got married was because Casey has travelled all his life, you know with his parents and stuff but he jsut wanted to settle down. With his job he could not really do that, but at least he could to an extent by getting married.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jun 26 2009, 03:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well I said everyone SAYS it is hard to ride. Casey proved them wrong. Plus you can't compare the honda that he had to this DUC. THe ...... tires he got from Michelin were a huge reason why he crashed alot on the honda. SO my point easily stands up if you know your history and not just the surface of the issue. I think both are extremely talented obviously if your taking it to Rossi week after week neithr is a slouch by any stretch.
I was'nt comparing the Ducati to the Honda just Caseys results on the two. If your quick to blame his downfall on the honda at the hands of Michelin are you as quick to admit his dominance in '07 at the hands of Bridgestrone and an obviously faster Ducati. Anyway we can get a real feel of how things are this season because Casey finished with over a 10sec advantage in Assen last year so we will learn alot this wekend provided Casey is not throwing up in his lid
BTW SS56 you suck ...
I was'nt comparing the Ducati to the Honda just Caseys results on the two. If your quick to blame his downfall on the honda at the hands of Michelin are you as quick to admit his dominance in '07 at the hands of Bridgestrone and an obviously faster Ducati. Anyway we can get a real feel of how things are this season because Casey finished with over a 10sec advantage in Assen last year so we will learn alot this wekend provided Casey is not throwing up in his lid
BTW SS56 you suck ...
I agree that he comes across like a tool at times, but You have to remember, Stoner is a shy country kid. He is not an extraverted, media savy personality like Rossi. He's like Mick Doohan was when he was young.
When I met Bayliss, he said that Stoner is technically very good, and possibly one of the best technically in the current series, but the big thing with Stoner is that he is fearless.
I am a Duc fan, but I am starting to think that the Duc us actually a bucket of .... comparred to the Honda and the Yamahas. Now that there is no straiight line speed advantage, I think Stoner is having to extract everything out of the Duc to get where he is, but he is up there every race, and still jointly leading the WC on a bike that no one else can get results on.
Like him or not, credit where credit is due.
Nicky Haydem Kallio, and Melandri are all bloody good riders (wake up trolls). Why can't any of them do better than mid pack on the Duc.
I think Stoner and Jorge on the same bikes would show that Stoner is technically better, and probably faster. JB is a technical boffin, and he lobbied Yamaha very hard to get Stoner rather than Lorenzo. There must be a good reason, and JB knows his .....
When I met Bayliss, he said that Stoner is technically very good, and possibly one of the best technically in the current series, but the big thing with Stoner is that he is fearless.
I am a Duc fan, but I am starting to think that the Duc us actually a bucket of .... comparred to the Honda and the Yamahas. Now that there is no straiight line speed advantage, I think Stoner is having to extract everything out of the Duc to get where he is, but he is up there every race, and still jointly leading the WC on a bike that no one else can get results on.
Like him or not, credit where credit is due.
Nicky Haydem Kallio, and Melandri are all bloody good riders (wake up trolls). Why can't any of them do better than mid pack on the Duc.
I think Stoner and Jorge on the same bikes would show that Stoner is technically better, and probably faster. JB is a technical boffin, and he lobbied Yamaha very hard to get Stoner rather than Lorenzo. There must be a good reason, and JB knows his .....
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Casey takes my vote. I really thing he's got a special feel for the bike that allows him to interpret feedback from the Drunk Duck.
Jorgie is also very good and has almost closed the gap (to Casey and VR.) I think his smooth, fast style is well suited to these bikes.
Ask again at the end of the year!
As for personalities, I actually like Casey more than either Yamaha rider. Casey is quiet and straightforward, with far less ego on display. Lorenzo can also play it straight, but I sometimes get the feeling he's putting on a personality to match the occasion.
Jorgie is also very good and has almost closed the gap (to Casey and VR.) I think his smooth, fast style is well suited to these bikes.
Ask again at the end of the year!
As for personalities, I actually like Casey more than either Yamaha rider. Casey is quiet and straightforward, with far less ego on display. Lorenzo can also play it straight, but I sometimes get the feeling he's putting on a personality to match the occasion.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jun 26 2009, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo would suck on the Duc..Stoner would be fast on the Yam..Rossi can ride anything
Holy .... Curve
Rossi said "Me and Casey would win on the Honda.
I think the top 3 being equal on points at the moment (with 2 wins each) says a lot, they are ....... close but that Yamaha could ride itself and the Ducati is too much for a mortal rider.
Stoner by a bee's .....
Holy .... Curve
Rossi said "Me and Casey would win on the Honda.
I think the top 3 being equal on points at the moment (with 2 wins each) says a lot, they are ....... close but that Yamaha could ride itself and the Ducati is too much for a mortal rider.
Stoner by a bee's .....
