Wayne Rainey once said...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Neville Bartos @ Feb 18 2009, 01:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah and look where Rainey ended up...........................
.... off.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Neville Bartos @ Feb 17 2009, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah and look where Rainey ended up...........................
I read it. I'm just hoping you have some alternate meaning that I'm just not seeing. Please clarify what your point is before I take a giant .... on you.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Neville Bartos @ Feb 18 2009, 02:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I didn't know that Rainey raced in Motogp. I thought Motogp came about with the introduction of 4 stroke bikes over the old 500cc 2 stroke machine.

What did you find insulting about my comment. I made no reference toward him being in a wheelchair or cripple, you simply choose to look into things that were not there. My comment could have meant, he won 2 world championships. He did correct?

Still he did end up in a wheelchair, and I do fondly remember watching him race in the 80's and 90's. He was good, but you would have to wonder if he would have won the second championship if Doohan had of not have his series injury in 1992.



Still you know the old saying "your not a real champion, if your bike has traction control"

This is ......... Man up and elaborate or retract and apologize for your highly tactless ignorant, and disrespectful comment, otherwise it will be my forum career to take a giant .... on you on every post. I see the other members have already called you out on this, and now its my turn. We already have one member here that tries this thinly veiled ambiguity around here, we really don't have room for another. Only four post to your name and youre already on my .... list.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Neville Bartos @ Feb 18 2009, 07:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah and look where Rainey ended up...........................

Bad taste, extreme bad taste.

Rainey was and remains a true legend of the sport and while I still have Doohan as my #1, Rainey will remain in the top 5 as IMO his skills were equal to any others and his dogged determination both before and and after the accident an inspiration.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Neville Bartos @ Feb 18 2009, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I didn't know that Rainey raced in Motogp. I thought Motogp came about with the introduction of 4 stroke bikes over the old 500cc 2 stroke machine.

What did you find insulting about my comment. I made no reference toward him being in a wheelchair or cripple, you simply choose to look into things that were not there. My comment could have meant, he won 2 world championships. He did correct?

Still he did end up in a wheelchair, and I do fondly remember watching him race in the 80's and 90's. He was good, but you would have to wonder if he would have won the second championship if Doohan had of not have his series injury in 1992.



Still you know the old saying "your not a real champion, if your bike has traction control"

Technically correct and something that is often mentioned, but not within the context of a bad taste comment.

FWIW (and as has been pointed out), Rainey actually won three World Championships. Certainly his last one was 'helped' by the fact that MD broke his leg at Assen and missed a great many races but Rainey still won it and deservedly so.

It needs also to be remembered (and this will hurt me to a degree given my ratings of MD) that Rainey raced in a era of many riders who will be considered legends or who won multiple World titles (Lawson, Gardner, Doohan, Schwantz, Cadalora, Sarron etc).

IMO, Rainey like many from that era should not be questioned nor compared to riders of today, they are very different breeds.





<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Feb 18 2009, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.... off.

+1

Well said Austin.






Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Neville Bartos @ Feb 18 2009, 08:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah and look where Rainey ended up...........................

You are a .................

i dont know what all the commotion is about...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Neville Bartos @ Feb 18 2009, 07:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah and look where Rainey ended up...........................


Oh dear, what a ..... You have made yourself a lot of enemys very quickly.

Seriously, what a ....... stupid thing to say.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Feb 18 2009, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>FWIW (and as has been pointed out), Rainey actually won three World Championships. Certainly his last one was 'helped' by the fact that MD broke his leg at Assen and missed a great many races but Rainey still won it and deservedly so.
Yeah he did deserve his 3rd championship even tho mick got hurt as schwantz deserved is 94 championship . The great man said it himself.
towards the end of the vid.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Feb 18 2009, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i dont know what all the commotion is about...
You think it's ok to mock a racer who was paralyzed for life racing motorcycles ??

if your answer is no as im sure it is you will then know what the commotion is about !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 19 2009, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You think it's ok to mock a racer who was paralyzed for life racing motorcycles ??

if your answer is no as im sure it is you will then know what the commotion is about !
didnt know...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 18 2009, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I want to congradulate your stupid f##king punk ........ ... for be the first person EVER to get on the CURVE .... list with his FIRST days posts... I hope you get hit by a bus and spend the rest of your life shiting into a plastic bag you ....... .....
Oh you are a Rossi fan, he is a princess and so are you....oh cry me a river and have a moan......................................

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Neville Bartos @ Feb 18 2009, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh you are a Rossi fan, he is a princess and so are you....oh cry me a river and have a moan......................................
You are the lowest form of life. I see you lurking on the thread. Nothing you now say, unless you retract will ever be taken seriously, you don't deserve the respect I extend to roaches and maggots.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Feb 19 2009, 01:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.... off.

^ What he said ^ - piss poor.

I think you are all reacting the wrong way to Neville,s comments. Read it again and see that it is a criticism of risky riding and not a go at Rainey. Raineys tragic accident is one that readily comes to mind when considering the risks of motorcycle racing. Nevilles comment is only identifying one of the worst case consequences of a potentially dangerous sport. You should not trivialise reckless riding because the consequences can be catestrophic. Curve is the one who is lacking in empathy for the " victim" of dangerous moves (even accidents) caused by "death or glory" style of riding. ( what Rossi fans seem to be in rapture about)
I see no similarity in nevilles use of words and those of Pinky/ cscvaw etc.

Jumkie , I normally have high respect for your intellect. Back off and think about what is really being said.

Discaimer- I am not neville and have no idea who he is.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Feb 18 2009, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie , I normally have high respect for your intellect. Back off and think about what is really being said.

I hear you Buny, its good to know not everybody is a cynic; however, if you look at my first post, I gave the guy a chance to elaborate and perhaps explain his meaning. I think you may be giving him a bit too much credit. It looks to me like he was making a go at Rainey and the forum called him on it. I appreciate you not being as cynical, but it seems it was clear what he was meaning: an ignorant tasteless sarcastic remark, as Rog first pointed out.

We can have a discussion of dangerous moves, that is fair enough, and as you see at the beginning of this thread we did debate on the corkscrew incident. But this guy came in and basically took swipe at Rainey because Curve used it as a quote to support his opinion on the corkscrew incident. Nev’s response was to fire a tone of mockery toward Rainey the man by equating his unfortunate crash as the result of irresponsible haste and recklessness. However, nothing can be further from the truth. Rainey’s crash was NOT a result of recklessness but rather a very unfortunate freak accident! And lets not for a moment think that Nev was not referring to this very incident (as he tried to weasel out of with ambiguity) since you can see he said: “Yeah, and look where Rainey ‘ended up’". First off look at the tone of this statement. He is saying he ‘ended up’ as a cripple because…(as if this was the consequence of) recklessness. I'm sure you've seen Rainey's crash, and what Nev has identified as the reason he’s now in a wheel chair is simply wrong, therefore, a callus, very ignorant, disrespectful, dig. C’mon man, that remark oozes with sarcasm and mockery. I'd give Nev a pass, if for example he was a newbie to the sport like Slide, but Nev said he remembers seeing Rainey in the 80/90s. So he must have adequate knowledge of the sport. Again, lets be clear, the tone of Nev’s remark was all about mockery. And for this, I don’t mind piling on.

Perhaps , to get a better grip of things we should find out Raineys quote in full (ie context) and when it was said(before or after the 08 laguna seca race). Sure, Nev seemed to be inconsistent with his explanation, but i think it was a nervous distracting comment (white lie) because he could see the lynching party well and tuly saddled up and raring to go.
Also, Raineys unfortunate accident didn,t have to be the result of reckless riding by another, merely an example of how severe the consequences can be when riding in a dangerous sport and that reckless riding makes the likelihood of severe injury or death more likely. I think Stoners post-race anger at laguna seca was a result of himself having a "brush with death" from Rossis reckless move. Jumkie , you yourself have analysed the pass endlessly; surely you saw Casey forced to the ouside edge of the track as a result of being forced wide by Rossis re-entry. A few centimetres further and Casey was off the track and into the wall with the risk of severe ( Rainey-like?) injury.
No lynching party for Curves tasteless interpretation of the corkscrew pass? Somehow a "regular" is excused consistently tasteless comments, whilst a newbie gets the full-on feeding frenzy??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Feb 19 2009, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossis re-entry. A few centimetres further and Casey was off the track and into the wall with the risk of severe ( Rainey-like?) injury.
No lynching party for Curves tasteless interpretation of the corkscrew pass? Somehow a "regular" is excused consistently tasteless comments, whilst a newbie gets the full-on feeding frenzy??


Agreed

..........and Jumkie, ONE thing you cannot comment on , in reading the printed word versus conversation face to face, is tone. Without seeing facial expressions and body language it is impossible to tell if a statement is accurate, mocking, tongue-in-cheek etc etc. Nev used no emoticons , so there are no clues there. You are using your interpretation Jumk, and that seems to be clouded by you initial visceral reaction to nevs words. You may be being very unfair and I know that you are capable of being more than fair. Cut Nev some slack old son and concentrate on the true enemy.................Rossifanphilia!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Feb 19 2009, 07:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>..........and Jumkie, ONE thing you cannot comment on , in reading the printed word versus conversation face to face, is tone. Without seeing facial expressions and body language it is impossible to tell if a statement is accurate, mocking, tongue-in-cheek etc etc. Nev used no emoticons , so there are no clues there. You are using your interpretation Jumk, and that seems to be clouded by you initial visceral reaction to nevs words. You may be being very unfair and I know that you are capable of being more than fair. Cut Nev some slack old son and concentrate on the true enemy.................Rossifanphilia!
Despite the fact that this forum can be a bit of a kangaroo court at times (and that's no reference to the Aussies on here); in this case, what this guy meant was pretty unequivocal (emotions or no emotions), and he got back the disapproval he deserved.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Feb 18 2009, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Perhaps , to get a better grip of things we should find out Raineys quote in full (ie context) and when it was said(before or after the 08 laguna seca race). Sure, Nev seemed to be inconsistent with his explanation, but i think it was a nervous distracting comment (white lie) because he could see the lynching party well and tuly saddled up and raring to go.
Also, Raineys unfortunate accident didn,t have to be the result of reckless riding by another, merely an example of how severe the consequences can be when riding in a dangerous sport and that reckless riding makes the likelihood of severe injury or death more likely. I think Stoners post-race anger at laguna seca was a result of himself having a "brush with death" from Rossis reckless move. Jumkie , you yourself have analysed the pass endlessly; surely you saw Casey forced to the ouside edge of the track as a result of being forced wide by Rossis re-entry. A few centimetres further and Casey was off the track and into the wall with the risk of severe ( Rainey-like?) injury.
No lynching party for Curves tasteless interpretation of the corkscrew pass? Somehow a "regular" is excused consistently tasteless comments, whilst a newbie gets the full-on feeding frenzy??


Buny, your take on the corkscrew incident mirrors my take. This is the scrap that I agree is part of the conversation to be debated. UNLIKE Nev's take, which was entirely a mocking dig at the ‘man himself’ that is Mr. Rainey. Curve got a flaming from me and those who generally disagreed with his banter and fanboyism of Rossi's "pass", but it wasn’t a malice flaming because its fanboy banter CONTRAST this to the tone of mockery (very different concept). Nev’s tone was a specific sarcastic remark to a particular incident that left a man crippled and the sport lesser. There is a DIFFERENCE here, and you need to see it. You are missing the point, and that is we debated the incident itself, NOT used it to take a swipe at Rainey's unfortunate freak accident. That is the "standard" here (not seniority but rather stupidity), the act of mocking a revered man and racer and the specific incident that ended his career vs. the idea that the "pass" at Laguna was or was not racing. Curve could have used Schwantz's quote to make his point about the "pass" as acceptable within the idea of hard racing and in no way would have Nev's words had any meaning right? But when you take them into context specific to Rainey, then you should see a different picture. So you can see, that Nev’s words were specifically aimed at mocking and ignorantly associating Wayne Rainey's crash to the freak and unfortunate consequence. You should see that it’s in very poor taste at best...arrogant, ignorant, and ...... at worst. Can you see the difference?