Wayne Rainey once said...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Feb 18 2009, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>..........and Jumkie, ONE thing you cannot comment on , in reading the printed word versus conversation face to face, is tone. Without seeing facial expressions and body language it is impossible to tell if a statement is accurate, mocking, tongue-in-cheek etc etc. Nev used no emoticons , so there are no clues there. You are using your interpretation Jumk, and that seems to be clouded by you initial visceral reaction to nevs words. You may be being very unfair and I know that you are capable of being more than fair. Cut Nev some slack old son and concentrate on the true enemy.................Rossifanphilia!

Again, your lack of cynicism is refreshing. However, 'tone' is most definitely identifiable in written word. Have you ever read a novel without pictures? Were you able to distinguish 'tone' in the words of the characters? I'm assuming you've nodded your head in a 'yes' motion. Nev, actually did give clues because it was an exchange, with curve, and very easily the disgust was evident. Unfortunately, he directed that disgust to Rainey, while he should have been aiming his disgust to Curve. Evidently Buny, the tone was so overwhelming that a few members identified it and called him out, me included.

Ah Rossifanphilia, of course friend, that's what this thread had mostly been about, smiting out the plague of Rossi-mindless-worship (that is until Nev came in with his stupid comment) at which time Rossi fans, Hayden fans, Stoner fans, and others alike directed their flames at a much greater scourge: arrogance, ignorance, tastelessness, and general retardation.

Nev, you're still an A..hole. (spelling has been omitted) Nobody will know what those two dots stand for.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Feb 19 2009, 02:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Despite the fact that this forum can be a bit of a kangaroo court at times (and that's no reference to the Aussies on here); in this case, what this guy meant was pretty unequivocal (emotions or no emotions), and he got back the disapproval he deserved.
As they say, you ....... right.

Nev, go kick rocks mothatf..ka! (again, those two dots will never be deciphered. I bet you didn't understand what I meant.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Feb 19 2009, 07:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>surely you saw Casey forced to the ouside edge of the track as a result of being forced wide by Rossis re-entry. A few centimetres further and Casey was off the track and into the wall with the risk of severe ( Rainey-like?) injury.
You are full of it ! Stoner was not "forced to the out side edge " at all. Rossi was actually in front when he got on the dirt, stoner didnt have to try and pass then. What wall are you talking about ? And why are you putting words into nevs nouth. he has had enough opitunity to tell us what he ment if we were wrong but he didnt !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Feb 19 2009, 07:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>..........and Jumkie, ONE thing you cannot comment on , in reading the printed word versus conversation face to face, is tone. Without seeing facial expressions and body language it is impossible to tell if a statement is accurate, mocking, tongue-in-cheek etc etc. Nev used no emoticons , so there are no clues there. You are using your interpretation Jumk, and that seems to be clouded by you initial visceral reaction to nevs words. You may be being very unfair and I know that you are capable of being more than fair. Cut Nev some slack old son and concentrate on the true enemy.................Rossifanphilia!
Thats true, so if your unknown to the people your making "tongue in cheek" comment, choose your words carefully.

Still nev didn't put us right. instead he chose to have a go at curve . Yet another opportunity. He's guilty as hell of mocking one of the sports greats for getting crippled.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 19 2009, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are full of it ! Stoner was not "forced to the out side edge " at all. Rossi was actually in front when he got on the dirt, stoner didnt have to try and pass then. What wall are you talking about ? And why are you putting words into nevs nouth. he has had enough opitunity to tell us what he ment if we were wrong but he didnt !



Rog, I suspect he is referring to the wall on the outside of the corner at the bottom of the Corkscrew. This woould be the wall that CS (and VR for that matter) would likely have hit if they came unstuck upon VR's re-entry to the circuit.

In would also argue (and this agrees with Bunyip) that CS was forced wide by the re-entry and he did appear to back-off, lift the throttle or simply lose some time as a result. I have said my piece on the incident suring the big threads when it happened so won't go there nor offer judgement on it again to much and nor is the above comment intended to do so.





Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Feb 19 2009, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rog, I suspect he is referring to the wall on the outside of the corner at the bottom of the Corkscrew. This woould be the wall that CS (and VR for that matter) would likely have hit if they came unstuck upon VR's re-entry to the circuit.

In would also argue (and this agrees with Bunyip) that CS was forced wide by the re-entry and he did appear to back-off, lift the throttle or simply lose some time as a result. I have said my piece on the incident suring the big threads when it happened so won't go there nor offer judgement on it again to much and nor is the above comment intended to do so.





Garry
Look at the 49 sec to 52 sec part of the vid. You clearly see vale in front and casey trying to put a pass move on vale because he ran off line i.e the dirt. So who pulled the dangerous move ?
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I repeat, when did Rainey make this quote- before or after the race??

Jumkie- I still think you are putting the worst interpretation on nevs comments, I agree that what he said referred to his injuries- but he could just be stating a fact, without malice.

Rog...the default interpretation -is that Nev was being factual and not mocking. Without evidence to the contrary you have to assume he was not mocking. Jeeeeez I would hate you both to be judges.....youd be jailing thousands of innocent people because you interpreted their actions or thoughs to be malicious without any firm evidence, just your own particular bias.. What about the presumption of innocence?

Also Rog, you have a strange opinion about riders options in corners. When you are racing at 100% and cranked over in a corner, you don,t really have the option of braking or accelerating to any great degree. Once Stoner entered the corkscrew he was commited to a particular line, when Rossi fecked up, Stoners ONLY option was to deviate wider on the track. He could not accelerate or brake to avoid Rossi. I know you have ridden the track,and probably believe you are a LS expert, but you have no comprehension of what a riders options are when they are commited to a particularly difficult cornerat GP speed. Remember Biaggis crash at the Italian track (I cant remember the name) where they reversed the riding direction in wsbk when Rossi was spectating. Biaggi tried a pass that failed and he lost the optimum line for the corner and his only option was to run wide off the circuit. Well CS very almost had the same thing happen to him, but through no fault of his own. Of course he was pissed off at VR. How would you feel?

Rog, re video. Of course Rossi was in front......thats what happens when you don,t brake fully and cut the corner. Doh! CS didn,t initiate a passing move specifically, it was just a by-product of his higher track speed at that time, as Rossi by then, had washed off speed in the dirt. Casey probably had no idea where Rossi was going to end up. You really have created an art form out of misinformation, but it just wont wash with us in this case!

And thanks for the video because it shows just how wide Cs was forced by Vales reckless move. He should have been suspended for several races for dangerous riding. Hopkins was, so why not??

Going to bed now, so bye........

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Feb 19 2009, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I repeat, when did Rainey make this quote- before or after the race??

Jumkie- I still think you are putting the worst interpretation on nevs comments, I agree that what he said referred to his injuries- but he could just be stating a fact, without malice.

Rog...the default interpretation -is that Nev was being factual and not mocking. Without evidence to the contrary you have to assume he was not mocking. Jeeeeez I would hate you both to be judges.....youd be jailing thousands of innocent people because you interpreted their actions or thoughs to be malicious without any firm evidence, just your own particular bias.. What about the presumption of innocence?

Also Rog, you have a strange opinion about riders options in corners. When you are racing at 100% and cranked over in a corner, you don,t really have the option of braking or accelerating to any great degree. Once Stoner entered the corkscrew he was commited to a particular line, when Rossi fecked up, Stoners ONLY option was to deviate wider on the track. He could not accelerate or brake to avoid Rossi. I know you have ridden the track,and probably believe you are a LS expert, but you have no comprehension of what a riders options are when they are commited to a particularly difficult cornerat GP speed. Remember Biaggis crash at the Italian track (I cant remember the name) where they reversed the riding direction in wsbk when Rossi was spectating. Biaggi tried a pass that failed and he lost the optimum line for the corner and his only option was to run wide off the circuit. Well CS very almost had the same thing happen to him, but through no fault of his own. Of course he was pissed off at VR. How would you feel?
firstly nev has been given ample opportunity to defend his comments. He has read ours but still has nothing to say.I can only presume his silence is an admission of guilt.

Yes i have ridden the track, A memory that i will treasure for the rest of my life But im not so arrogant that i think that makes me in any way an expert on the track or where to pass ect. If you read my earlier post on this i was quoting Kevin Schwantz on casey trying to pass rossi there. Now i do believe Schwantz to be an expert on this But if you have more experiance than him then please enlighten us im all ears well eyes cos where reading but you know what i mean

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 19 2009, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Look at the 49 sec to 52 sec part of the vid. You clearly see vale in front and casey trying to put a pass move on vale because he ran off line i.e the dirt. So who pulled the dangerous move ?
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You are off your tree mate


I used to just think you were a "fruitcake" Rog. ........ but now I think you are a "sicko"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 19 2009, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are off your tree mate


I used to just think you were a "fruitcake" Rog. ........ but now I think you are a "sicko"
compliment coming from you. i would worry if you agreed, now if you have anything constructive to add to the debate which i doubt please feel free ,if not stfu fanboy.

Just cleaned the teeth.

I,m done with Nev: I,ve stuck my neck out, now its your chance to admit you WERE referring to Raineys injury AND perhaps say no malice was intended. You,re window of opportunity is closing........

....and yeah, I think I could teach Schwantz a few things..........




..............maybe not about motorcycles , but a few things all the same.......


And just in case you think I,m going soft......you.re still full of it Rog. haha

....now pulling the sheets down, grabbing the baby oil .......too much information?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Feb 19 2009, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just cleaned the teeth.

I,m done with Nev: I,ve stuck my neck out, now its your chance to admit you WERE referring to Raineys injury AND perhaps say no malice was intended. You,re window of opportunity is closing........

....and yeah, I think I could teach Schwantz a few things..........




..............maybe not about motorcycles , but a few things all the same.......


And just in case you think I,m going soft......you.re still full of it Rog. haha

....now pulling the sheets down, grabbing the baby oil .......too much information?
Marigold gloves check, baby oil check, stoner poster check. good night sweet dreams

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 19 2009, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>firstly nev has been given ample opportunity to defend his comments. He has read ours but still has nothing to say.I can only presume his silence is an admission of guilt.

Yes i have ridden the track, A memory that i will treasure for the rest of my life But im not so arrogant that i think that makes me in any way an expert on the track or where to pass ect. If you read my earlier post on this i was quoting Kevin Schwantz on casey trying to pass rossi there. Now i do believe Schwantz to be an expert on this But if you have more experiance than him then please enlighten us im all ears well eyes cos where reading but you know what i mean
I actually wrote a post to similar effect that an alternative view from someone as eminent as schwantz was that casey maintaining his line once valentino made his excursion had the potential to force rossi into the other fence, but we discussed this assiduously at the time and had just done so again so I scrapped it.

Having watched the thing again several times in real time I doubt either had much time to make any decisions and certainly insufficient time to form any malicious intent.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 19 2009, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>like that pass or not...we better get more of that .... this year..and not just one race either.
Even I don't ideologically object to passing manouevres for the lead .

A last thought is that the incident does suggest a degree of respect for stoner by rossi; I doubt even he would care to race so closely with, say, randy de puniet

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 20 2009, 01:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A last thought is that the incident does suggest a degree of respect for stoner by rossi; I doubt even he would care to race so closely with, say, randy de puniet

Yes I think Rossi was lucky as all "#$%@" that it was Stoner there, Rossi was pretty squiggly and in that state of "out of control" was virtually thrown into Stoner ..... Stoner being a fairly determined chap seemed to anticipate this and used a bit of Newtons 3rd? law ( the one about equal and opposite forces .. ) to ensure he himself didn't get bunted off the track. the upshot of that was Rossi got stopped from going elsewhere on his little "excursion". All in all it was quite a good move by Stoner and pretty amazing when one considers it was pretty much a reaction that happened in milliseconds.

I totally understood why Casey was pissed about the whole thing ..... he wanted to be racing .... not slowing to play nursemaid/guide. But I guess what really pissed him was that even after all that he blew it when he didn't force the inside line on the corner he balked on.

I think this basically is why Stoner had declared he was going to be more assertive/forceful in 09. ( though it seems that comment was made assuming his wrist was to be ok. )

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 19 2009, 05:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner was not "forced to the out side edge " at all. Rossi was actually in front when he got on the dirt, stoner didnt have to try and pass then.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 19 2009, 06:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You clearly see vale in front and casey trying to put a pass move on vale because he ran off line i.e the dirt. So who pulled the dangerous move ?
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Wasn't forced to the outside edge? Where do you get these Rossi goggles? Do you just buy novelty drunk goggles and draw 46 all over them? You're a smart guy, Rog, if you truly believe that Rossi didn't force Stoner wide then you're the biggest fanboy in here.

Stoner held his line while Rossi outbraked himself, ran wide, went off track, lost his speed in the gravel and reentered at a significantly lowered speed. What was Stoner supposed to do? Slow down and wait for Rossi to enter the track safely and resume play? Please. It wasn't a pass attempt, it was Stoner riding his line while Rossi ...... up and jumped back in willy nilly. In real time I'm guessing Stoner either thought Rossi was still on line and just braking far later than appears humanly possible (as Rossi is known to do this) or that he would run through the gravel and enter at the bottom of the 'screw at which point Stoner would already be past.

Rossi made it work, fair play. I was on the edge of my seat watching and certainly won't complain about it. But .... me, risks like that get people hurt.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Feb 19 2009, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wasn't forced to the outside edge? Where do you get these Rossi goggles? Do you just buy novelty drunk goggles and draw 46 all over them? You're a smart guy, Rog, if you truly believe that Rossi didn't force Stoner wide then you're the biggest fanboy in here.

Stoner held his line while Rossi outbraked himself, ran wide, went off track, lost his speed in the gravel and reentered at a significantly lowered speed. What was Stoner supposed to do? Slow down and wait for Rossi to enter the track safely and resume play? Please. It wasn't a pass attempt, it was Stoner riding his line while Rossi ...... up and jumped back in willy nilly. In real time I'm guessing Stoner either thought Rossi was still on line and just braking far later than appears humanly possible (as Rossi is known to do this) or that he would run through the gravel and enter at the bottom of the 'screw at which point Stoner would already be past.

Rossi made it work, fair play. I was on the edge of my seat watching and certainly won't complain about it. But .... me, risks like that get people hurt.
Oh come on Austin, be realistic. Stoner would have seen that rossi was in to hot and going off line before they entered the corkscrew so wasn't as committed as you rossi haters make out So has Schwantz got rossi goggles as well then ? i admit rossi ...... up , all im saying is stoner saw that and went for it. now if you read back to the posts i made back then i said i had gained respect for stoner because he tried it. but to imply rossi pushed him wide and not take into account it was casey who put himself there is , bizarre .geez look at the vid. If you watch the race again you will see that they both touch on the approach to the corkscrew so either could have pushed one an other off line. Some here are making out that rossi had malice and tried to push stoner wide deliberately. read gsfans posts.