<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 20 2009, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Or maybe it was because stoner had more speed into the last turn than ever. If you watch the replay closely look at how he take extreme heigt into the second last turn. This enabled him to come faster out of that turn than he ever did before.
The last turn is not an easy trun do brake check as it is also a common place to make a pass. If there ever was a brake check it must have been very early in the turn long before he closed in on apex, or even before the turn. That would be takeing a huge risk of being passed. A risk Rossi couldn't afford. Rather he did take a protective line in many of the turn and that often require lower speed at the apex. But it's not brake checking.
I honestly think stoner just lost concentration, which is one reason he was so pissed off. He was thinking 2 or 3 corners ahead, and made a very simple error rather than dropping it on a death or glory move when he had plenty of laps left to make a pass either by conventional or death or glory means. I am not saying he would eventually have necessarily been successful, there is no way of knowing this. Another point of interest in the race is that whilst stoner appeared to make up ground easily when he fell behind at one stage early in the race, he did have a reasonable start from pole and was passed by rossi in the first place.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 20 2009, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Or maybe it was because stoner had more speed into the last turn than ever. If you watch the replay closely look at how he take extreme heigt into the second last turn. This enabled him to come faster out of that turn than he ever did before.
The last turn is not an easy trun do brake check as it is also a common place to make a pass. If there ever was a brake check it must have been very early in the turn long before he closed in on apex, or even before the turn. That would be takeing a huge risk of being passed. A risk Rossi couldn't afford. Rather he did take a protective line in many of the turn and that often require lower speed at the apex. But it's not brake checking.
I honestly think stoner just lost concentration, which is one reason he was so pissed off. He was thinking 2 or 3 corners ahead, and made a fairly simple error rather than dropping it on a death or glory move when he had plenty of laps left to make a pass either by conventional or death or glory means. I am not saying he would eventually have necessarily been successful, there is no way of knowing this. Another point of interest in the race is that whilst stoner appeared to make up ground easily when he fell behind at one stage early in the race, he did have a reasonable start from pole and was passed by rossi in the first place.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 20 2009, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I honestly think stoner just lost concentration, which is one reason he was so pissed off. He was thinking 2 or 3 corners ahead, and made a fairly simple error rather than dropping it on a death or glory move when he had plenty of laps left to make a pass either by conventional or death or glory means. I am not saying he would eventually have necessarily been successful, there is no way of knowing this. Another point of interest in the race is that whilst stoner appeared to make up ground easily when he fell behind at one stage early in the race, he did have a reasonable start from pole and was passed by rossi in the first place.
T1, T2 Rossi had the upper hand (continuously he was overtaking stoner here) and T3, T4 stoner was too good. Rossi was not even close to stoner here. Hence Rossi always went protectively in these sectors not allowing Stoner to go past him in those. (CS does not lead Rossi even a single in these sectors and when he temporarily lost ground in lap 14 he regained much of the debt in these sectors only)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (surendhar @ Feb 20 2009, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>T1, T2 Rossi had the upper hand (continuously he was overtaking stoner here) and T3, T4 stoner was too good. Rossi was not even close to stoner here. Hence Rossi always went protectively in these sectors not allowing Stoner to go past him in those. (CS does not lead Rossi even a single in these sectors and when he temporarily lost ground in lap 14 he regained much of the debt in these sectors only)
Sure, the entire strategy which was masterfully executed was to block every line in the places where stoner was faster. Very hard to do for a whole race, but rossi managed it except for one partial mistake where luck greatly aided by skill went his way.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 20 2009, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sure, the entire strategy which was masterfully executed was to block every line in the places where stoner was faster. Very hard to do for a whole race, but rossi managed it except for one partial mistake where luck greatly aided by skill went his way.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 20 2009, 05:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I better enjoyed this thread when there was peace and harmony among the Rossi/Stoner/Hayden fans. Focus people...back on Nev.
Yeah, come on nev you ....... gimp, what have you got to say ? where waiting !
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 20 2009, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I honestly think stoner just lost concentration, which is one reason he was so pissed off. He was thinking 2 or 3 corners ahead, and made a fairly simple error rather than dropping it on a death or glory move when he had plenty of laps left to make a pass either by conventional or death or glory means. I am not saying he would eventually have necessarily been successful, there is no way of knowing this. Another point of interest in the race is that whilst stoner appeared to make up ground easily when he fell behind at one stage early in the race, he did have a reasonable start from pole and was passed by rossi in the first place.
Well said Michael, and as surendhar pointed out he was much faster in T3 and T4.
And no doubt part of his anger were directed against himself and his disapointment were doubled by his expectations as he was so much faster before the race.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Neville Bartos @ Feb 18 2009, 07:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah and look where Rainey ended up...........................
It's so easy to make trouble round here, if you did this by accident i feel sorry for you. But i doubt it. I also don't think Rainy's accident was a result of his attitude to hard passing or the like.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 23 2009, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's so easy to make trouble round here, if you did this by accident i feel sorry for you. But i doubt it. I also don't think Rainy's accident was a result of his attitude to hard passing or the like.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 24 2009, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>now that i read it again...i miss read it...i blame the spliff
... I apologize, thought you said it was Rainey's fault.... my bad..
death to the other dude still
No probs, i thought your comment was a little confusing
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 24 2009, 08:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No probs, i thought your comment was a little confusing
Hey i have no issue admitting when i'm wrong... You and others should follow suit
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 24 2009, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey i have no issue admitting when i'm wrong... You and others should follow suit
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 24 2009, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey i have no issue admitting when i'm wrong... You and others should follow suit
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 20 2009, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Or maybe it was because stoner had more speed into the last turn than ever. If you watch the replay closely look at how he take extreme heigt into the second last turn. This enabled him to come faster out of that turn than he ever did before. The last turn is not an easy trun do brake check as it is also a common place to make a pass. If there ever was a brake check it must have been very early in the turn long before he closed in on apex, or even before the turn. That would be takeing a huge risk of being passed. A risk Rossi couldn't afford. Rather he did take a protective line in many of the turn and that often require lower speed at the apex. But it's not brake checking.
"you cant pass there casey, no"
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 25 2009, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What are you talking about?
eurosport commentary when casey was behind rossi at last turn, after the corkscrew action...
its almost impossible to pass there... and you were talking that it was a common place to make a pass...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Slide @ Feb 26 2009, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>eurosport commentary when casey was behind rossi at last turn, after the corkscrew action...
its almost impossible to pass there... and you were talking that it was a common place to make a pass...
well just look at Guinters attempt at the same maneuver, on Hoffman in Practce there in 07, that Rossi planned and carried out so well ( satire here ) .
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 25 2009, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well just look at Guinters attempt at the same manouver, that Rossi planned and carried out so well ( satire here ) on Hoffman in Practce there in 07.
you are making a statement(that last turn has quite some passing action), because you saw someone making an one-time action in a practice session a year ago???
