Turkey SPOILER

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rising Sun @ Apr 23 2007, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>At the point of accident Pedrosa is inside Jacque.
no he was not. i tivoed the race & there is an excellent aireal view of the misshap. i went frame by frame & pedrosa is defo not on the inside of oj. pedrosa was on oj's right slightly ahead of him. oj made 1st contact. now there is the view where they are coming toward the camera & it looks like, i think it's checa, is behind right on top of jacque but the aireal shows checa not that close. it was oj all the way.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Apr 23 2007, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no he was not. i tivoed the race & there is an excellent aireal view of the misshap. i went frame by frame & pedrosa is defo not on the inside of oj. pedrosa was on oj's right slightly ahead of him. oj made 1st contact. now there is the view where they are coming toward the camera & it looks like, i think it's checa, is behind right on top of jacque but the aireal shows checa not that close. it was oj all the way.
ummm not the footage i saw mate, i would like to see this footage of which you speak. from what i saw or think i saw was dani at the rear left and didnt end up on the right untill after the contact with oj. i dont blame any of them tho, just hard and fast racing imo. im only debating this out of pure intrest.

nop. no blame. it's racing! if u can do frame by frame u will see it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ Apr 23 2007, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your on a differant planet If you think Elias move was comparable to jerez 05
i am on a different planet. but at least i'm in the same solar system.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ Apr 23 2007, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bloddy hell! you make it sound like Elias Road rashed Rossi, maybe Elias should send a written invitation the next time he wants overtake Rossi.
how does "hard move" make it sound like givin him a road rash? what are u smokin man?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ Apr 23 2007, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The jerez 05 move was different circumstances. I know it was an optimistic move by Rossi but lets be honest with Sete winning Valentino was hardly going to not have a go was he!

The thing with that move is Sete did cut across the corner very sharply and should of known Valentino would be there. I'm not saying Rossi should take no blame for it but Sete should take a bit as he should of been ready for the obvious move.

With the Elias move had the contact of been a bit more which it was lucky it wasn't as Valentino almost had to swerve to avoid him, the accident could have been bad coz we have seen what can happen when bikes collide under braking and that accident last year at Catalunya was far worse than jerez 05.
oh pleeeease...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 23 2007, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>to be honest i personaly dont think there was anythging wrong with the jerez move, sete tryed to out break but he was on the outside of the track so rossi held him there a bit longer as a defence move. thats racing tuff .... he should have tred for the inside line.
im also not to bothered about elais move either, all racing moves imo. its not as if someone stuck a boot out to get someone off,
thank u roger.

No two ways about it, Rossi was being hypocritical. The move he pulled on Elias & Hopper a few laps previous was just as aggresive.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Apr 23 2007, 10:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No two ways about it, Rossi was being hypocritical. The move he pulled on Elias & Hopper a few laps previous was just as aggresive.
mabe he was, but he is only human like the rest of us,how many times have you had a bad day and spouted off,i have loads of times. besides if only read what he supposidly said trans;lated into english so im not going to read to much into it, there could have been some humour that didnt come accross in the translation for all i no.

yes, without hearing is tone of voice and seeing it for ourselves its harder to judge whats really going on.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 23 2007, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yes, without hearing is tone of voice and seeing it for ourselves its harder to judge whats really going on.
spot on tom.i tend to be agreeing with you a lot latley what going on, you sure you dont want to come over to the dark side.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 23 2007, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>spot on tom.i tend to be agreeing with you a lot latley what going on, you sure you dont want to come over to the dark side.

I think with the heat of the 06 title debate calmed down and left behind we are all more fair and open minded. I like it

does anybody else think.. hmm no i cant remember what i was going to type haha carry ongang.. hmm :/

I think it's a case of sour grapes for Rossi, He is sarting to remind me of Mighty Mick Doohan.

Rossi's comments will be interpreted by everyone differently depending on their view of him. Personally, I see a guy who is very accustomed to moving forward as the race progresses and making moves on other riders. Sunday was a case where his tires held him back and he had to go backwards, on top of it all Elias put a stunner or a move on him. It's not a situation he's used to and he doesn't like it. There isn't a rider out there who would sit there and tell you he was thrilled about anyone coming by him, much less with an aggressive move. At least the guy's honest.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (l13eaw @ Apr 23 2007, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I see your point Babelfish, but did you not see Rossi's pass on Hopper a couple of laps before? Looked fairly similar to Elias' pass to me bar the touch. That's why I can't really agree with Rossi on that score, he wasn't on the last lap either, but I suppose it depends on your bias really. Notwithstanding Jerez 05, just Turkey 07, I can't see how Rossi has the gall to complain. but all adds to the drama for the next race. BRING IT ON That was a harder pass than Elias on Rossi, I saw it, perhaps the hardest pass of the race. then Rossi comes out with this crap...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>"I'm quite unhappy with Elias today because I think he was quite dangerous - more than once he passed me on the inside and then altered his line. This is not a correct way to race,"Tosser. He's famous for that very move, block pass the stop the bike and change line mid turn putting the other guy off his rythm. Being a sore loser isn't a nice trait.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valentino Is God @ Apr 24 2007, 12:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. When Chris Vermeulen's bike got stuck on top of Dani's bike it didn't stall and he got going again but all the other bikes did not get going again. Did landing on top of the bike stop it getting damaged or what?

I can answer this one.

Jacque's bike was totalled and he was hurt - so thats why he didn't get back on. Same reason for Edwards.
Vermy's bike was lying on top of Pedrosa's and was still running.
okay go with me here,
When a rider leaves a MGP bike and crashes there is a sensor thats goes off and which cuts the fuel and power supply to the bike to try and limit the chances of explosions. It's triggered by a lack in the activation of the throttle (i think! im a lil rusty here) . Now the normal time for this sensor is 7 seconds (i think!), but during a race it is set to about 20 seconds to give the rider a chance to run back to the bike and pick it up and get going again.
So, in the space of time that CV got his bike off the top of the Honda. Had it even been in the right condition to ride -Pedrosa's engine would've cut out in that timeframe anyway.
and Vermy's bike lying on top saved some of the damage i guess.... He still had to ride the race with a bent handlebar.

Rossi = legend

Rossi = Legend?

Only if that tyre was dangerous to ride on.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Apr 24 2007, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi = Legend?

Only if that tyre was dangerous to ride on.



hes incredibleeee stoner , elias, may be up for now
but u can never count out rossi

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 22 2007, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ive viewed this several times and i believe i saw pedroas clip the back of oj.
Pedrosa SUCKS!

Rossi is just a joke. First he passes Hopkins in the same way and than he complains about Elias. Elias did nothing wrong. He was faster and he passed him. They both braked late and nobody wanted to back off so if that move is a dangerous one, Rossi is as guilty as Elias. He should have slowed down and let the faster guy pass him. Rossi just took that corner like if Elias wasn't riding next to him. He really thinks he is God and everybody should step aside whenever he takes the corner. He did the same to Pedrosa last year and when Pedrosa complained he said Motogp was a sports for men. So what happened sunday ? Did Rossi turn into a female ?

Give Elias a good bike and he will make Rossis life a real hell. The guy is championship material.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToniElias @ Apr 24 2007, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi is just a joke. First he passes Hopkins in the same way and than he complains about Elias. Elias did nothing wrong. He was faster and he passed him. They both braked late and nobody wanted to back off so if that move is a dangerous one, Rossi is as guilty as Elias. He should have slowed down and let the faster guy pass him. Rossi just took that corner like if Elias wasn't riding next to him. He really thinks he is God and everybody should step aside whenever he takes the corner. He did the same to Pedrosa last year and when Pedrosa complained he said Motogp was a sports for men. So what happened sunday ? Did Rossi turn into a female ?

Give Elias a good bike and he will make Rossis life a real hell. The guy is championship material.

He had that last year, and what did he do? Get one win and a bunch of crap results. I bet Stoner et al are REALLY crapping themselves.

As far as I recall, Rossi never nerfed Hopper on the straight.