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Take The No Troll Pledge

In my arrogance I had the same attitude as you for quite a while, but eventually realised that the only discourse which is possible with this troll or trolls is an exchange of schoolboy personal invective, which is rapidly resorted to if anything even vaguely resembling an argument is presented.

As it is said, never argue with idiots
, they will only bring you down to their level and beat you with superior experience.

Words of wisdom, hence my having put the three worst offenders on "Ignore" days ago. The back and forth between you, JPL and myself has been civil debate. The only person I'm "arguing" with is Jumkie.

And just to get this off my chest, and not in anger, let me say that I'm baffled by the dictum that it's not acceptable to mention Rog in any posts because he's not here. But there's no objection to an entire thread devoted to slagging off Kropo, a former member, who is not here any longer. I may not agree with everything he says, but thought him a good guy and fun to banter with. He was really and truly run off the forum by way of exceptionally vehement rhetoric and insults. I've said nothing about this thread, because - I don't think it matters to Kropo anymore than the forum matters to Rog. That JPL felt the need to have such a thread was no big deal to me. Every once in a while, we all need "some weird sin". Right?

And also for the record, I'm tired of the disingenuous nonsense about the departure of Tatlock waved in my face. He was churlish, thin-skinned and sanctimonious from the minute he arrived lots of people quickly piled on him. All this business about how sad his leaving here is, is nothing more than crocodile tears.

Also for the record: regarding Rog . . . and I'd forgotten this until looking through some old PMs, Roger was very much tired of Powerslide before we ever had our spat. I still have the PM, wherein I asked Jum, what's become of Rog? I haven't seen him about in a while. Jumkie's return PM said Rog was disenchanted not really wanting to come around so much anymore because he can't stand the presence of so many Australians. This can't be denied. I still have the PM.
 
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It’s been a very long time since I posted on here. Spend most of my time sifting through the .... but enjoying the insights of many members on racing / the sport.

I don’t know the background to this fued, but it is kind of sad to see, jum, BM, #22, Michael, Kesh etc at each other’s throats!

Miss the days of meet up threads and everyone sharing photos of being at races, BM using too many emojis while explaining how to slide a motorcycle and some good banter!

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All this bitching is ...., can’t we all just enjoy the racing? and can someone bring back curve, he was good for laugh.
I didn't really intend to reprove Keshav, and was more just pointing out that I had seen the futility myself of exchanging personal invective with the troll or trolls concerned after doing the same thing as him for some time myself. I never replied to Pinky back in the old days either.
 
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Well that was rog.

Though a lot of it was aimed at Stoner, I still claim a lot of that ire. Lol.

And then there was pinky ...... though I dont think pinky endeared himself to many here.
Funnily enough pinky, talpa and synn were very simillar posters. The only diference being .... pinky purported to not liking rossi.
 
Well that was rog.

Though a lot of it was aimed at Stoner, I still claim a lot of that ire. Lol.

And then there was pinky ...... though I dont think pinky endeared himself to many here.
Funnily enough pinky, talpa and synn were very simillar posters. The only diference being .... pinky purported to not liking rossi.

That you didn't give a .... about his nonsense and never lost your temper when going back and forth with him made him even angrier. That you're a Aussie - made you a double threat. :eek:
 
Alternative fact or not, please don''t go there. Its completely unnecessary.

Thanks. I'm not looking to make things worse. Can't un-say what has already been said. You can appreciate that I'm tired of being being blamed for his leaving the forum. That ship was already on its way out of the harbor. In any event I seriously hope this .... will die down. Got to say, I admire the way you've kept your own council throughout this debacle. Stay classy. :cool:
 
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It dies down when you shut the .... up.
I just logged on at the end of the workday and lo and behold, Kancer spent all day AGAIN klogging .... up.
 
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It's so peaceful around here with Synn, Sparrow and JKD on ignore. :harp:
 
it appears. Jumkie is still trying to drag me into this nonsense. That seems pretty determined to have a war.

Answer this question, did I first mention you or did you? I responded to you! The word ‘respond’ means that it comes ‘after’. How is this fact escaping you?

You dragged yourself by mocking a racial slur, which you’re refused to acknowledge, because in your “logic” it doesn’t exist because “you’ve never heard of it”. You entered into the conversation on your own. I ‘responded’ to you, not the other way around. You can’t be “dragged” into something that you entered willingly. You’ve chosen not to engage my response, conveniently. But lets be clear, you chimed in first. Don’t you remember, you said you did not read my ‘response’? In order for there to be a ‘response’ there must first be something to ‘respond to’, guess who that was? Answer: Iampony. That was you! Supposedly bringing “levity” of all things, to a racial slur.

Like I said, you’re not a member I have engaged. Before you chimed in neither of us can remember when was the last time we said anything to each other. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else. Frankly, I generally skip your post on a regular basis. So lets be clear, YOU chimed in first, you “dragged” yourself into the conversation. Not much of a ‘conversation’ it should be said, since your refused to supposedly even read my response, which I don’t believe. Which btw, was written in a way to simply give you a bit of information on the very thing you thought could use some ‘humor’ (levity).


Same 3 shitheads clogging the forum up with page after page of childish prattle.

Are you not aware that you've just clogged this thread up engaging in the troll-respond cycle? May I assume then that you're one of the "shitheads"! Classic BM too, one liner trolling posts, as usual. You’ve never been one to engage in debate, hence why I’ve never until recently engage you BM. “Childish prattle”, you really don’t read what you type. What’s your big comeback going to be, call me “Hitler” again? Childish prattle, right?

Trolling.

Just leave and the forum will have less of your petty .... again.

Problem solved. ;)

What I love about this post is that your buddy Kesh left the forum, nuked that one other fourm, then came back to nuke this one. Problem not solved. It’s hilarious that you would repeat this, because every time you do, it serves to remind us. The great irony.


Synn/sparrows/tps and .... knows how many more aliases he's got doesn't need inflaming!,he's the biggest ....... on here,he lives to troll,check out post #40 for an example of his trolling!,i quite enjoy the banter but lets not start feeling sorry for the forums biggest wind up merchant!!, he lives to get a reaction,Keshav bites back it just feeds him more hence the 'dance monkey dance' remarks, now he's getting people onside through his use of multiple id's and 'liking' his own poison,is anyone fooled when synn and big sparrows slap each other on the back when they are the same ....... poster for ....'s sake??!!!

I distinctly remember reading a post of yours that you were done responding to synn. Am I correct? Pye, what you’re advocating is for Kesh and others to continue trolling Synn because…Synn is a troll. My interjection to this cycle was to point out who are the culprits of this cycle. For that Kesh and Barry have made me their target! They can’t stand that I would highlight their childish behavior, so I must be vilified. And frankly, its working, that why they are continuing to do it.

Lets break this down:

1. Original Synn: Kesh/Barry engaged in flame warring, clogging up threads ‘before’ I chimed in. FACT. This is undisputed fact, the time stamps are there, surely you don’t need me to post a bunch of quote of theirs engaging in the trolling-response cycle to show you time stamps, do you? Perhaps, but as it appears, it wouldn’t help settle this “debate”. Facts have become irrelevant.
2. The call out: I chimed in and pointed out that Kesh/Barry (and sure, they’re not the only ones, but were the most egregious engagers). Keep in mind, that after I chimed in, perhaps some took a step back, others stopped all together, or reduced, meanwhile Kesh/Barry not only continued, but its like they went into hyperdrive.
3. Spin Machine: Kesh/Barry’s narrative: Jumkie is the evil villain here! Look at him, not us! Uhm, except, they were fully engaged in the trolling-response cycle ‘before’ I chimed in. So when did I become their target? Right ‘after’ I pointed out their behavior.
4. Newspeak Works: Notice now how I have become the topic, not the reason why we got here in the first place, which was to stop the trolling-response cycle. Listen, the people that have the power to stop the cycle refuse, and it will continue then. No wonder that Kesh/Barry fight so hard to keep conflict alive, they thrive on it. Keep in mind Pye, we are talking on a thread called the “Non-trolling Pledge’ thread!
5. The Winner: Trolls. Pye what is the point of saying, he look, lets not feel sorry for this troll, because he is a real troll, so lets troll him. Take a look at pages 6 & 7, particularly 7, that entire page is an example of how threads get clogged up with the troll-reaction cycle. There are many pages in threads exactly like this! Who wins in this scenario? Who loses? Make no mistake, there is a winner!

In my arrogance I had the same attitude as you for quite a while, but eventually realised that the only discourse which is possible with this troll or trolls is an exchange of schoolboy personal invective, which is rapidly resorted to if anything even vaguely resembling an argument is presented.

As it is said, never argue with idiots, they will only bring you down to their level and beat you with superior experience.

I appreciate you honesty Mike. Reminds me of other times I’ve said this to you, because your sense of responsibility and accountability is sometimes done to a fault as well. I should assume that in your list of “troll or trolls” you’ve included Barry and Kesh, despite that you have not specifically. More on this below.

I specifically posted to make it clear I was in no way exonerating the troll/trolls without addressing him/them myself.

I didn't really intend to reprove Keshav, and was more just pointing out that I had seen the futility myself of exchanging personal invective with the troll or trolls concerned after doing the same thing as him for some time myself.

I understand the notion of ‘he that is without fault cast the first stone’. And there is value in this concept, but it can also be a significant disservice! Like I said, sometimes your sense of accountability is done to a fault, because by not including Kesh or Barry in the list of the trolls, then you’ve given them a pass, you have emboldened. Here is another saying I would counter with: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” I shouldn’t have to go back and provide you with quotes of theirs to show you that they have engaged in no significant higher plane than any other troll. In fact, one of their ludicrous arguments they propose, using “logic” was, ‘well we can engage in racism because Synn did it’, included in that “logic” because I had not engaged with Synn, then I somehow was condoning racism. Except they didn’t factor into their “logic” that I had not engaged with Synn period, why, because of self-control. Another “logically” argument proposed is this: because Synn is a particularly effective troll, therefore, me going after the responders (i.e. Kesh and Barry) therefore I’m in cahoots with the troll. Wasn’t this the ideation proposed from the “deferential” treatment I and Arrabi received? Mike, is this not devoid of reason? This is trolling too! It is insidious provocation on Kesh and Barry’s part. Why should Synn get special treatment for being a troll if you are not willing to include Barry and Kesh in that list?

I thought jumkie was Hitler!? Not goebels.

... of childish prattle.
 
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Answer this question, did I first mention you or did you? I responded to you! The word ‘respond’ means that it comes ‘after’. How is this fact escaping you?

You dragged yourself by mocking a racial slur, which you’re refused to acknowledge, because in your “logic” it doesn’t exist because “you’ve never heard of it”. You entered into the conversation on your own. I ‘responded’ to you, not the other way around. You can’t be “dragged” into something that you entered willingly. You’ve chosen not to engage my response, conveniently. But lets be clear, you chimed in first. Don’t you remember, you said you did not read my ‘response’? In order for there to be a ‘response’ there must first be something to ‘respond to’, guess who that was? Answer: Iampony. That was you! Supposedly bringing “levity” of all things, to a racial slur.

Like I said, you’re not a member I have engaged. Before you chimed in neither of us can remember when was the last time we said anything to each other. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else. Frankly, I generally skip your post on a regular basis. So lets be clear, YOU chimed in first, you “dragged” yourself into the conversation. Not much of a ‘conversation’ it should be said, since your refused to supposedly even read my response, which I don’t believe. Which btw, was written in a way to simply give you a bit of information on the very thing you thought could use some ‘humor’ (levity).




Are you not aware that you've just clogged this thread up engaging in the troll-respond cycle? You're one of the "shitheads"! Classic BM too, one liner trolling posts, as usual. You’ve never been one to engage in debate, hence why I’ve never until recently engage you BM. “Childish prattle”, you really don’t read what you type. What’s your big comeback going to be, call me “Hitler” again? Childish prattle, right?



What I love about this post is that your buddy Kesh left the forum, nuked that one other fourm, then came back to nuke this one. Problem not solved. It’s hilarious that you would repeat this, because every time you do, it serves to remind us. The great irony.




I distinctly remember reading a post of yours that you were done responding to synn. Am I correct? Pye, what you’re advocating is for Kesh and others to continue trolling Synn because…Synn is a troll. My interjection to this cycle was to point out who are the culprits of this cycle. For that Kesh and Barry have made me their target! They can’t stand that I would highlight their childish behavior, so I must be vilified. And frankly, its working, that why they are continuing to do it.

Lets break this down:

1. Original Synn: Kesh/Barry engaged in flame warring, clogging up threads ‘before’ I chimed in. FACT. This is undisputed fact, the time stamps are there, surely you don’t need me to post a bunch of quote of theirs engaging in the trolling-response cycle to show you time stamps, do you? Perhaps, but as it appears, it wouldn’t help settle this “debate”. Facts have become irrelevant.
2. The call out: I chimed in and pointed out that Kesh/Barry (and sure, they’re not the only ones, but were the most egregious engagers). Keep in mind, that after I chimed in, perhaps some took a step back, others stopped all together, or reduced, meanwhile Kesh/Barry not only continued, but its like they went into hyperdrive.
3. Spin Machine: Kesh/Barry’s narrative: Jumkie is the evil villain here! Look at him, not us! Uhm, except, they were fully engaged in the trolling-response cycle ‘before’ I chimed in. So when did I become their target? Right ‘after’ I pointed out their behavior.
4. Newspeak Works: Notice now how I have become the topic, not the reason why we got here in the first place, which was to stop the trolling-response cycle. Listen, the people that have the power to stop the cycle refuse, and it will continue then. No wonder that Kesh/Barry fight so hard to keep conflict alive, they thrive on it. Keep in mind Pye, we are talking on a thread called the “Non-trolling Pledge’ thread!
5. The Winner: Trolls. Pye what is the point of saying, he look, lets not feel sorry for this troll, because he is a real troll, so lets troll him. Take a look at pages 6 & 7, particularly 7, that entire page is an example of how threads get clogged up with the troll-reaction cycle. There are many pages in threads exactly like this! Who wins in this scenario? Who loses? Make no mistake, there is a winner!



I appreciate you honesty Mike. Reminds me of other times I’ve said this to you, because your sense of responsibility and accountability is sometimes done to a fault as well. I should assume that in your list of “troll or trolls” you’ve included Barry and Kesh, despite that you have not specifically. More on this below.





I understand the notion of ‘he that is without fault cast the first stone’. And there is value in this concept, but it can also be a significant disservice! Like I said, sometimes your sense of accountability is done to a fault, because by not including Kesh or Barry in the list of the trolls, then you’ve given them a pass, you have emboldened. Here is another saying I would counter with: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” I shouldn’t have to go back and provide you with quotes of theirs to show you that they have engaged in no significant higher plane than any other troll. In fact, one of their ludicrous arguments they propose, using “logic” was, ‘well we can engage in racism because Synn did it’, included in that “logic” because I had not engaged with Synn, then I somehow was condoning racism. Except they didn’t factor into their “logic” that I had not engaged with Synn period, why, because of self-control. Another “logically” argument proposed is this: because Synn is a particularly effective troll, therefore, me going after the responders (i.e. Kesh and Barry) therefore I’m in cahoots with the troll. Wasn’t this the ideation proposed from the “deferential” treatment I and Arrabi received? Mike, is this not devoid of reason? This is trolling too! It is insidious provocation on Kesh and Barry’s part. Why should Synn get special treatment for being a troll if you are not willing to include Barry and Kesh in that list?

Type type type. Whew! :sweatdrop:
 
Answer this question, did I first mention you or did you? I responded to you! The word ‘respond’ means that it comes ‘after’. How is this fact escaping you?

You dragged yourself by mocking a racial slur, which you’re refused to acknowledge, because in your “logic” it doesn’t exist because “you’ve never heard of it”. You entered into the conversation on your own. I ‘responded’ to you, not the other way around. You can’t be “dragged” into something that you entered willingly. You’ve chosen not to engage my response, conveniently. But lets be clear, you chimed in first. Don’t you remember, you said you did not read my ‘response’? In order for there to be a ‘response’ there must first be something to ‘respond to’, guess who that was? Answer: Iampony. That was you! Supposedly bringing “levity” of all things, to a racial slur.

Like I said, you’re not a member I have engaged. Before you chimed in neither of us can remember when was the last time we said anything to each other. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else. Frankly, I generally skip your post on a regular basis. So lets be clear, YOU chimed in first, you “dragged” yourself into the conversation. Not much of a ‘conversation’ it should be said, since your refused to supposedly even read my response, which I don’t believe. Which btw, was written in a way to simply give you a bit of information on the very thing you thought could use some ‘humor’ (levity).




Are you not aware that you've just clogged this thread up engaging in the troll-respond cycle? May I assume then that you're one of the "shitheads"! Classic BM too, one liner trolling posts, as usual. You’ve never been one to engage in debate, hence why I’ve never until recently engage you BM. “Childish prattle”, you really don’t read what you type. What’s your big comeback going to be, call me “Hitler” again? Childish prattle, right?



What I love about this post is that your buddy Kesh left the forum, nuked that one other fourm, then came back to nuke this one. Problem not solved. It’s hilarious that you would repeat this, because every time you do, it serves to remind us. The great irony.




I distinctly remember reading a post of yours that you were done responding to synn. Am I correct? Pye, what you’re advocating is for Kesh and others to continue trolling Synn because…Synn is a troll. My interjection to this cycle was to point out who are the culprits of this cycle. For that Kesh and Barry have made me their target! They can’t stand that I would highlight their childish behavior, so I must be vilified. And frankly, its working, that why they are continuing to do it.

Lets break this down:

1. Original Synn: Kesh/Barry engaged in flame warring, clogging up threads ‘before’ I chimed in. FACT. This is undisputed fact, the time stamps are there, surely you don’t need me to post a bunch of quote of theirs engaging in the trolling-response cycle to show you time stamps, do you? Perhaps, but as it appears, it wouldn’t help settle this “debate”. Facts have become irrelevant.
2. The call out: I chimed in and pointed out that Kesh/Barry (and sure, they’re not the only ones, but were the most egregious engagers). Keep in mind, that after I chimed in, perhaps some took a step back, others stopped all together, or reduced, meanwhile Kesh/Barry not only continued, but its like they went into hyperdrive.
3. Spin Machine: Kesh/Barry’s narrative: Jumkie is the evil villain here! Look at him, not us! Uhm, except, they were fully engaged in the trolling-response cycle ‘before’ I chimed in. So when did I become their target? Right ‘after’ I pointed out their behavior.
4. Newspeak Works: Notice now how I have become the topic, not the reason why we got here in the first place, which was to stop the trolling-response cycle. Listen, the people that have the power to stop the cycle refuse, and it will continue then. No wonder that Kesh/Barry fight so hard to keep conflict alive, they thrive on it. Keep in mind Pye, we are talking on a thread called the “Non-trolling Pledge’ thread!
5. The Winner: Trolls. Pye what is the point of saying, he look, lets not feel sorry for this troll, because he is a real troll, so lets troll him. Take a look at pages 6 & 7, particularly 7, that entire page is an example of how threads get clogged up with the troll-reaction cycle. There are many pages in threads exactly like this! Who wins in this scenario? Who loses? Make no mistake, there is a winner!



I appreciate you honesty Mike. Reminds me of other times I’ve said this to you, because your sense of responsibility and accountability is sometimes done to a fault as well. I should assume that in your list of “troll or trolls” you’ve included Barry and Kesh, despite that you have not specifically. More on this below.





I understand the notion of ‘he that is without fault cast the first stone’. And there is value in this concept, but it can also be a significant disservice! Like I said, sometimes your sense of accountability is done to a fault, because by not including Kesh or Barry in the list of the trolls, then you’ve given them a pass, you have emboldened. Here is another saying I would counter with: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” I shouldn’t have to go back and provide you with quotes of theirs to show you that they have engaged in no significant higher plane than any other troll. In fact, one of their ludicrous arguments they propose, using “logic” was, ‘well we can engage in racism because Synn did it’, included in that “logic” because I had not engaged with Synn, then I somehow was condoning racism. Except they didn’t factor into their “logic” that I had not engaged with Synn period, why, because of self-control. Another “logically” argument proposed is this: because Synn is a particularly effective troll, therefore, me going after the responders (i.e. Kesh and Barry) therefore I’m in cahoots with the troll. Wasn’t this the ideation proposed from the “deferential” treatment I and Arrabi received? Mike, is this not devoid of reason? This is trolling too! It is insidious provocation on Kesh and Barry’s part. Why should Synn get special treatment for being a troll if you are not willing to include Barry and Kesh in that list?

'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing'...synn is evil..i'm a good man so i give him .......he lives to make people dance but getting him hopping isn't even a challenge anymore
 
'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing'...synn is evil..i'm a good man so i give him .......he lives to make people dance but getting him hopping isn't even a challenge anymore

You're a ....... ..... if you actually think you're getting under his skin. I've been watching and he isn't the least bit bothered by you or anyone. He has you and the rest bent out of shape given how none of you can stop replying to him.
 
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You're a ....... ..... if you actually think you're getting under his skin. I've been watching and he isn't the least bit bothered by you or anyone. He has you and the rest bent out of shape given how none of you can stop replying to him.

Yeah,and you coming on here and abusing me when i've never said a bad word to you will only feed him more..
 

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