Stoner's health issues

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 11 2009, 09:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Check the vid under latest videos there is a clip of him post race.

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2009/Stone...s+Laguna+action
Thanks GS!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 11 2009, 12:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Funny. He is also 10 years older...
Only 6 year's you noob!!!!!

Get your facts right.

Ha ha ha .... the point still stands he's way younger so of course he hasn't accomplished as much.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 11 2009, 01:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ha ha ha .... the point still stands he's way younger so of course he hasn't accomplished as much.

Not really! What about George hes even younger and has accomplished way more than Stoner and will accomplish even more in the coming years

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 11 2009, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not really! What about George hes even younger and has accomplished way more than Stoner and will accomplish even more in the coming years
Wow, I didn't realise Jorge had won the motoGP championship. He must have snuck it in somewhere between 2008 and 2009. Did he win the 2008.5 world championship?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Jul 11 2009, 01:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow, I didn't realise Jorge had won the motoGP championship. He must have snuck it in somewhere between 2008 and 2009. Did he win the 2008.5 world championship?


Are you saying that 250cc wc's account for nothing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 11 2009, 11:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you saying that 250cc wc's account for nothing.
No. I'm saying they don't count as compared to a top flight championship. Sorry, but 2 250cc championships don't equal 1 motoGP championship.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 10 2009, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you saying that 250cc wc's account for nothing.
They sure as .... don't count for as much as premier-class ones, at least these days.

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<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%<span style="font-family:ArialLet me delve closer. The majority of posters on this forum are either; American, British or Australian. My utmost apologies to all the other nationalities that contribute interesting, thought provoking and intuitive posts on this site. Reality is, you are the minority. If this wasn't an English speaking forum, I have no doubt there would be a lot more support and a lot of contradiction for a lot of topics here from (especially) Spanish posters. That's just the way it is I suppose.

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<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%<span style="font-family:ArialNo need to apologise krusty. Me, as one of a few Mexican passionate MotoGP fans, do get into a couple of Spanish speaking blogs (from Spain and here and there). And believe me, there’s ‘Nationalistic pride’ there too. But for me, it gets interesting to find out diversity in points of view, and defending views to teach me more each day.

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<span style="font-family:Arial<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 10 2009, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

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<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%<span style="font-family:ArialWe don’t know the future gs, but we can compare the past. By the time Rossi was 23 (2002) he had 4 Championships, or 24 (2003) 5 Championships in all clases he had raced at.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Jul 10 2009, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%<span style="font-family:ArialStill I don´t get it, most threads end up with comparisons, i guess we cannot help each other’s!

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Well.... every racer should believe they are the best, that's what racing is all about. If you go in thinking you're only second best to someone else, then you've already lost. I don't care if you are a backmarker with a ...... bike, you still have to believe in yourself that you are the best. If not, you should make way for others out there.

Nothing wrong with comparing riders, I mean... isn't that what racing is? To see who's the best out there?

To me, Stoner is a very talented rider. I think where he lacks in his game is the mental toughness, you need that to brush off a bad raceday and move on. I believe Rossi's got into his head, clearly one can argue that, seeing as how he struggled badly after that incident in Laguna Seca and basically threw his championship run away.

Now, with Lorenzo is a different story I think. The guy seemed to not let anyone get into his head, even after suffering from what is the most horrible nightmare of a situation in racing..... which is to get passed on the last corner of the last lap. After that, he came out swinging in Laguna Seca even refusing to slow down after suffering injuries in his crash, even working his way back through the field and almost making a pass on Rossi.

Whatever the case.... I hope Lorenzo or Stoner can beat Rossi for the championship.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Jul 10 2009, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well.... every racer should believe they are the best, that's what racing is all about. If you go in thinking you're only second best to someone else, then you've already lost. I don't care if you are a backmarker with a ...... bike, you still have to believe in yourself that you are the best. If not, you should make way for others out there.

Nothing wrong with comparing riders, I mean... isn't that what racing is?

Agreed so far…

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Jul 10 2009, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Whatever the case.... I hope Lorenzo or Stoner can beat Rossi for the championship.

I do not doubt that SuperShinya56… but are you rooting for them or just against Rossi?

what do you think "paisa" ... of course against rossi!! he doesn´t give a .... who wins, he cares only if rossi or hayden or else loose

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I do not doubt that SuperShinya56… but are you rooting for them or just against Rossi?

So what you're really asking me is if I'm bias against Rossi? Well, don't we all like to see a certain racer win or lose? It's all part of the game. To Me I don't care much about the riders..... I'm a Honda guy, but seeing how their riders aren't going to win the championship, then I'd have to root for the riders themselves. I like Rossi, don't get me wrong, but I think he's due for a serving of a nice Humble Pie...... courtesy of Jorge Lorenzo.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 11 2009, 01:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not really! What about George hes even younger and has accomplished way more than Stoner and will accomplish even more in the coming years
The bottom line is that if stoner or lorenzo end up with a third the number of victories valentino rossi has now, let alone his eventual tally, this would place fifth on the all-time winner's list, just ahead of eddie lawson (I looked it up but thought beforehand this would be about the ranking); this of course influenced by the number of races in a season.

I think both have a chance of this considerable achievement, with stoner helped by the fact he already has 18; I would not necessarily argue at this precise moment against lorenzo being the likelier to win more races in future.

What annoys stoner fans (I personally am getting over it) is the use of selective arguments against him. If age/experience is discounted, which I would not do, then stoner beat lorenzo (fairly easily) but was beaten by pedrosa when they contested the 250 championship at the same time and this obviously is how they should be ranked forever . If stoner's bike gave him an advantage in 2007, then it is conceivable that pedrosa had an advantage in the 250s and that yamaha has had the advantage for the last 2 years.

In any event both are obviously very good, but unlikely in the extreme to be as good as valentino. The argument for lorenzo is strengthened by him being extremely competitive against rossi on what is presumably close to the same bike. However stoner has won 18 races against rossi, far more than anyone else has managed at this time even riding ostensibly superior bikes. We will never really know the degree of parity between the ducati and the yamaha in 2007; this has been argued at interminable length here and elsewhere, but the ducati obviously had top speed and acceration advantages which I conceded to babelfish at the time are much easier to employ than a handling advantage. The remaining question, to die-hard stoner fans only perhaps, is how hard the aerodynamics and engine characteristics responsible for the straight-line speed and the reputedly archaic trellis frame chassis etc made it to get the ducati through the corners with sufficient rapidity to utilise the straight line superiority.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 11 2009, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you saying that 250cc wc's account for nothing.
Yes Johnny, thats why stoner never bother to win one.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (slev7n @ Jul 10 2009, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>what do you think "paisa" ... of course against rossi!! he doesn´t give a .... who wins, he cares only if rossi or hayden or else loose

Paisano!!!
Hermano!!!

I did not know there was another Mexican around, good to hear that...

we are everywhere hahaha

You are right.

... kissers Gockgod and Barry both list Rossi on the favorite list but everyone see the opposite.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jul 10 2009, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't know if any body told you yet but you always sook sook sook about Rossi, some time i do wonder that your blind hate for Rossi is alot more compare to love of Rossi fans.

You along side with Rockgod are biggest hypocrates on this forum and always try to undermine Rossi to make your boss(Stoner) look good.It looks like that both on payroll for stoner to defend him on this forum.

Stoner so far has achieved only one title in 8 years(125,250,990,800) compare to Rossi's 8 in 12 years.So stop comparing him with Rossi and give stoner few more years and then we will see where he stands.

Funny, boy. Rossi 1979, Stoner 1985. OK? Then look at the statistics.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 10 2009, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Funny. He is also 10 years older...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 11 2009, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thanks Krusty, the recognition is appreciated (as is the fact that someone realises I am to lazy to type in my opinion).

I would say you and I have the sam opinions here as I have basically been saying this here and other places for a while (and copping a bit of flack at times) for what I simply believe is Stoner being measured against the Rossi personality.

By the way, Krusty - are you an ex-racer?

Garry

No, but sometimes I wish I was Adam "Krusty" Ferguson ... it wouldn't hurt to have somebody who actually knew something, make contributions on here