Stoner's health issues

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Jul 8 2009, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It also doesn't help that Casey comes across as a fairly negative person, as someone noted in another thread, even when he wins he seems to complain about something.

Casey is not a flaming extrovert like Rossi or Colin. That's not to say he's 'negative.' I think he just gets wound up for the race weekend, and pulls into his shell to some degree. At any other time he is, by all accounts, a decent easy going chap.

Ever heard of a guy named Lawson? Even the usually level-headed Eddie wasn't above 'whining.' I remember when he was riding with Wayne on KR's team. Ed was coming out second best and got it into his head that Rainey was getting preferential treatment by way of a better motor. He said something in the garage and Kenny told the mechanics, then and there, to swap engines! Lawson supposedly muttered #$%#$ and skulked off w/o further comment.

How about Doohan or Gardner. Come race day, they were not exactly Mr. Personality either! ALL these guys are high strung. (Rossi hides it better than most, but don't think for an instant he's always Mr. Happy.) They are highly competitive and all are have their ego on the line when they race. Can we stop with the constant bashing and just enjoy the racing?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 8 2009, 06:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not too worried about Stoner's arm pump if they operate right away. If you recall Lorenzo experienced arm pump during the first 3 races of his rookie year and had it operated on 3 weeks before the next race in China (although we know what happened in China).LINK The mystery illness is what is really concerning. He can't ride through the pain, or workaround the problem, or use a brace for this. The illness is what is going to make or break him this year. They need to properly diagnose and treat the problem before the next round or his championship is going to be in some serious trouble.
the problem is sacky, will they operate on his arm if he is sick with this mystery illness ? but your right, this is know biggy these days

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 8 2009, 12:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Actually, Nicky did threaten Rossi at the end of 2005 when Nick and Melandri got the 2006 bike. Hayden got to ride it for all of three races before they put him on the spare parts bin. I think Nick would have had a relatively easy title victory if he had ridden the standard 2006 bike.

My caveat was "straight-up" not under special circumstances where he may have had a mechanical advantage. It is indisputable Rossi is not threatened by Hayden period. Stoner, different story.

its all in his mind..or ....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 8 2009, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I generally find your posts to be pretty much spot on. However . . . while there
are the grumpy Lawsons and dour Mladins and the Gary Cooper-ish Roberts
and Rainey types - not to mention the raging Doohans and the puritan Spencer
- You can't really make wholesale evaluations of their personalities based on the "race-face" character
they exhibit in the pits when they are trying to shut out the world and
concentrate wholly on the upcoming race. Roberts was known to be quite the party
boy after hours and something of a practical joker. Read his bio sometime.
Hailwood was known for his sense of humor off track. While the Lawsons and
Doohans of the world do seem for all intents and purposes to be two-dimensional
cowboys - I don't believe that to be true for majority of these guys.

I see no conflict in the two. Of course they have different personalities with dofferent preferencees, humor and so on. Non the less they all have something in common. I usually say all racers are self centered. Doesn't mean they can't do nice things, just that they nurture their own self image and generally are good at taking care at them selves and are happy to let others taking care of their needs.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 8 2009, 02:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyway, I wonder what the implications are for the championship, but its looks worrying. On a side note, I've started to see alot of Lorenzo t-shirts at races. I especially noticed many crop up at Laguna (hell even CK was wearing one, this from a die hard Hayden fan at that). I suspect its because Lorenzo has had some massive crashes and people admire his determination to get back on track and have success. Which is interesting to me since Stoner has been doing the same thing but gets no love for it (says something about those talking .... about Stoner, eh). But I know for sure, that if the story line was reversed and perhaps a certain Italian complained of feeling sick, we might see a monument erected for his heroism for finishing a race on the podium. So when I read that Stoner is "faking" it or "whining" I just laugh laugh laugh at the fun and games we play. Its part of the forum I really enjoy, that is, all the banter between us.

Are you trying to take a Roger and hope someone swallow hook, sinker and line together with the bait?

I'm getting confused here, are you comparing Stoner's crashes to Lorenzo's, or their fight back to the track despite illness and or injuries?
The crashes are an easy match 6-1 in Lorenzo's favor. The only "good" crash I can remember from stoner is the one on last Saturday. Others were mostly boring low sides and in '06 even with the habit of taking others with him. Not the heroic stuff at all.
I suspect that if there is a connection between Lorenzo's popularity and the crashes the spectacular way he usually go out is an important part of it. Stoner started well on Saturday but has a long way to go
Then you start talking about reversed story line and a certain Italian. Lorenzo is not Italian and if you talk about Rossi it's just a totally different story. Not?
Except from that I agree. I bet BM just fell off his chair reading this but in fact I've never suggested that Stoner were faking. Not this year and not last year. And of course Rossi is always heroic going out there badly injured or with a badly crashed bike. That's for me as a fan to point out when it happens. And as you know all to well we usually get a few instigators that doubt his injuries or bike problems, just like Stoner get.
To bad Stoner have so many of the types like BM as fans that go on fighting lost cases and shooting at everything that moves, every time. Maybe Stoner should consider to fire some of his fans?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Jul 8 2009, 01:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.................But my point was that there are some fans out there who simply cannot take any threat to Rossi & respond with a ridiculous level of abuse against any rider who challenges him & against any poster who dares to criticise him in any way. They may be the unknowledgeable minority, but they often have the loudest voices, posting the same rubbish over & over again.....................

My point is that since Rossi has a really huge fan base, the majority of his fans do not know much about racing. They just have chosen a hero and they want their hero to win. Simple. Anybody challenging the hero is an enemy.

This situation annoys many real motorcycle enthusiasts who just cannot relate to that kind of attitude, and so they develop an antipathy for Rossi. But that's childish in turn, because the blindness of the fans is not Rossi's fault...! It's just a side effect of his extreme popularity. People who know better about motorcylce racing appreciate the rider's skill without paying attention to captive fans too much.

I wonder if Stoner frequent this board from time to time.......... if so, show your face Stoner and set the record straight !!

I don't doubt at all that Stoner might have some issues as far as his health goes, but seriously the guy goes out of his way to make a point and show to the cameras and interviews how bad he's feeling, as if to make an excuse on his performance.

What confuses me is, the guy has access to probably the top doctors money can buy..... but yet none of them can find out what this 'mysterious' illness is. Just seems a bit odd if you ask me.

And no, I'm not a Stoner hater. In fact I'm rooting for him and Lorenzo to beat Rossi so back off !!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Jul 9 2009, 09:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My point is that since Rossi has a really huge fan base, the majority of his fans do not know much about racing. They just have chosen a hero and they want their hero to win. Simple. Anybody challenging the hero is an enemy.

This situation annoys many real motorcycle enthusiasts who just cannot relate to that kind of attitude, and so they develop an antipathy for Rossi. But that's childish in turn, because the blindness of the fans is not Rossi's fault...! It's just a side effect of his extreme popularity. People who know better about motorcylce racing appreciate the rider's skill without paying attention to captive fans too much.
Absolutely spot on the money. Best post on the internet ever in the history of the whole damn thing.

I too started getting turned off Rossi - especially in '07. It makes it so hard, having to read all the crap day in day out, you start getting exasperated and then your anger starts pouring into Rossi even though there's no reason too. The blind faith of some fans is so annoying your thoughts turn to the only way of arguing - which is to start questioning Rossi himself. Fortunately, after a while I realised how silly this is - so now I mainly comment on the REALLY over the top garbage.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Jul 8 2009, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What confuses me is, the guy has access to probably the top doctors money can buy..... but yet none of them can find out what this 'mysterious' illness is. Just seems a bit odd if you ask me.They can't get his wrist to heal up right either. Medicine is imperfect, and it's only been fairly recently that the "mystery illness" has really looked like something more than just a passing bug. Even if it's, for example, EBV, it takes time to get lab results back. If it's something more obscure, diagnosis could take longer.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Jul 9 2009, 09:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My point is that since Rossi has a really huge fan base, the majority of his fans do not know much about racing. They just have chosen a hero and they want their hero to win. Simple. Anybody challenging the hero is an enemy.

This situation annoys many real motorcycle enthusiasts who just cannot relate to that kind of attitude, and so they develop an antipathy for Rossi. But that's childish in turn, because the blindness of the fans is not Rossi's fault...! It's just a side effect of his extreme popularity. People who know better about motorcylce racing appreciate the rider's skill without paying attention to captive fans too much.


Great post J4rno as always.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Jul 9 2009, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Absolutely spot on the money. Best post on the internet ever in the history of the whole damn thing.

I too started getting turned off Rossi - especially in '07. It makes it so hard, having to read all the crap day in day out, you start getting exasperated and then your anger starts pouring into Rossi even though there's no reason too. The blind faith of some fans is so annoying your thoughts turn to the only way of arguing - which is to start questioning Rossi himself. Fortunately, after a while I realised how silly this is - so now I mainly comment on the REALLY over the top garbage.

I also was a huge Rossi fan that was slowly, no actually quite quickly turned off him in 2007 due to his extreme fans. Of course being an Aussie I was always going to be a Stoner fan who I followed from his first race at the world level, just as I was a Gardner, Doohan, McCoy, Bayliss and Corser fan. I remember being at Philip Island in 2003 when Rossi got a 10 second penalty with about 12 or 13 laps to go. Watching him put the hammer down to win by more than 10 seconds was mind blowing. Rossi like Doohan fills many of my greatest memories of MotoGP. Unfortunately his extreme fans fill ALL of my worst memories of MotoGP.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Jul 9 2009, 12:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My point is that since Rossi has a really huge fan base, the majority of his fans do not know much about racing. They just have chosen a hero and they want their hero to win. Simple. Anybody challenging the hero is an enemy.

This situation annoys many real motorcycle enthusiasts who just cannot relate to that kind of attitude, and so they develop an antipathy for Rossi. But that's childish in turn, because the blindness of the fans is not Rossi's fault...! It's just a side effect of his extreme popularity. People who know better about motorcylce racing appreciate the rider's skill without paying attention to captive fans too much.

thankyou for putting so succinctly what many fans feel. as SoD says, absolutely spot on.

Jarno, maybe I'm just not too good at explaining myself, but I agree with you about Rossi's fanbase. Jumkie asked why Stoner doesn't get the same recognition as Lorenzo when he's also battling injury/illness, I was suggesting that maybe a lot of the negative & snide comments about Stoner originate from those unknowlegeable fans, of which we agree there are many.
Geonerd, I didn't say Stoner is a negative person, I said he comes across as a negative person, I doubt it bothers him what people think. But perhaps, this is another reason why he gets less acknowledgement when he battles on through injury as Lorenzo does.

AH English Rossi fans .............

...... bringing the ideals of a british soccer fan to motorcycle racing



Nice post J4rno ( as allways ), wish I had posted it!

Theres a lot of Hypocrisy in this thread.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Jul 8 2009, 07:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Maybe the reason Lorenzo gets credit where Stoner doesn't is because Lorenzo hasn't beaten Rossi to a WC yet, he's beaten him in a few races, but hasn't taken the crown away from him, so he hasn't attracted the full fury of the diehard Rossi fanboys? It's ok to praise a rider until he beats their hero to the title, if/when he does that I expect Lorenzo will become as hated a figure, as Hayden & Stoner were when they won.
It also doesn't help that Casey comes across as a fairly negative person, as someone noted in another thread, even when he wins he seems to complain about something. Whereas Lorenzo seems to be much more positive, appears to make less excuses/blame others and appears to admit to his own fears/mistakes & determination to learn from that. I don't know about other people, but those seem like more likeable qualities.


I am a devoted Rossi fan. And I don’t hate Stoner or Hayden. I admit that I prefer Hayden over Stoner (he seems like a nice chap) and I wouldn’t mind him winning another championship. But I do not hate any of the riders. It’s the Rossi haters that make those accusations of Rossi fans, a symptom of inferiority complex I guess.

Guys, you are so full of yourselves. You start to dislike Rossi because he has a huge fan base and some are not experts in racing? I guess you think you are so much better and special so you can not belong to the same camp.
The people who talk about hate all the time are the Rossi haters. Not the Rossi fans. I am proud of Rossi who brings so many people closer to the sport. You don’t need to be a racing expert to be a fan and have a hero. Rossi’s talent is indisputable and he also inspires people with his personality. Some of you are so snobbish it makes me sick.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 8 2009, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I see no conflict in the two. Of course they have different personalities with dofferent preferencees, humor and so on. Non the less they all have something in common. I usually say all racers are self centered. Doesn't mean they can't do nice things, just that they nurture their own self image and generally are good at taking care at them selves and are happy to let others taking care of their needs.

I don't understand your reply. Conflict in what two?

I'm talking about two distinctly different personality types.

1. Being the type that are very focused (and possibly perceived as stand-offish) when they
are in the paddock - but are much more sociable away from the track.

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2. Being the ones who are continually stone-faced narcissists,
who are anti-social regardless of time and place.