Stoner's health issues

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Evolution @ Jul 10 2009, 06:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Guys, you are so full of yourselves. You start to dislike Rossi because he has a huge fan base and some are not experts in racing? I guess you think you are so much better and special so you can not belong to the same camp.
The people who talk about hate all the time are the Rossi haters. Not the Rossi fans. I am proud of Rossi who brings so many people closer to the sport. You don’t need to be a racing expert to be a fan and have a hero. Rossi’s talent is indisputable and he also inspires people with his personality. Some of you are so snobbish it makes me sick.

Evo, I think you miss the point. There is nothing wrong with a huge Rossi fan base. The problem for alot of people who like other riders is that a portion of that huge fan base support their beloved Rossi by denegrating other riders who dare to challenge him on the track.

For me it was when 'they' continuously denied that Stoner had or has any talent when even the most basic research would have revealed that Stoner has displayed a high level of talent throughout his career (beginning at age 4) till now. Today these same people suggest that Stoner fakes illness to cover his lack of talent.

There is nothing wrong with the banter created by the likes of Roger because Roger still respects riders who deserve to be there. The fans in question do not.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Evolution @ Jul 9 2009, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi’s talent is indisputable and he also inspires people with his personality. Some of you are so snobbish it makes me sick.Yeah, showing up your competitors with elaborate staged celebrations is so inspiring.

Like everyone, Rossi's personality had good sides and bad. I'm not sure that someone who has an awesome life being gregarious and smiling a lot is really particularly inspiring. Extremely likable for the most part, absolutely. Inspiring? That's a lot more individual.

Every rider in motogp has indisputable talent - it takes immense talent to even qualify for the starting grid.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Jul 9 2009, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, showing up your competitors with elaborate staged celebrations is so inspiring.

Like everyone, Rossi's personality had good sides and bad. I'm not sure that someone who has an awesome life being gregarious and smiling a lot is really particularly inspiring. Extremely likable for the most part, absolutely. Inspiring? That's a lot more individual.

Every rider in motogp has indisputable talent - it takes immense talent to even qualify for the starting grid.
...., some people just dont like being entertained i suppose

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jul 9 2009, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Evo, I think you miss the point. There is nothing wrong with a huge Rossi fan base. The problem for alot of people who like other riders is that a portion of that huge fan base support their beloved Rossi by denegrating other riders who dare to challenge him on the track.

For me it was when 'they' continuously denied that Stoner had or has any talent when even the most basic research would have revealed that Stoner has displayed a high level of talent throughout his career (beginning at age 4) till now. Today these same people suggest that Stoner fakes illness to cover his lack of talent.

There is nothing wrong with the banter created by the likes of Roger because Roger still respects riders who deserve to be there. The fans in question do not.
well thank you
Thing is your right about some rossi fans and the same can be said about some stoner fans,some hayden fans ect ect. Because of rossis long career which has earned him a huge fan base in the sport compared to any of the other competitors. Percentages will tell you he would have more of the fan types of which you speak. but then surely he would also have more fans that are also knowledgeable and who love all thats motogp.

Thing is ,its easy to say "but rossi fans do this ect" and you maybe right about the fan you have in mind. But we dont know who your talking about so assume you are talking about us. Mabe quoting the datardly rossi fans that your pointing your finger at would stop the genralisation that were assuming. and this is by no means just directed at you, you are not the worst offender at generalizing fan bases attitudes without quoted or using facts, we all love to do it but sometime include members in this genralization without realizing.
I thought reading your post that i would be included in your point until i read the last sentence, now im sure there are plenty other rossi fans you also would not include but there not to know.

rant over

Hey Stoner....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 9 2009, 11:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey Stoner....

So you all know this is one of curves family members. LOL

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 9 2009, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So you all know this is one of curves family members. LOL
looks like your average ducati rider to me

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 9 2009, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...., some people just dont like being entertained i suppose
I'm entertained by the racing, not by some arrogant ....... showing up the rest of the field.

Elaborate preplanned celebrations for milestone victories are cool, but save that .... for the special wins or it's just classless ......y.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jul 10 2009, 07:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There is nothing wrong with the banter created by the likes of Roger because Roger still respects riders who deserve to be there. The fans in question do not.

Gee I don't get this bit!

Rog. is by far the worst one out there! Matter of fact he seems to try and be 10 of the worst ones

Just check his posts between this and the quoted

Spade a spade ..... no covering for Rog.!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 9 2009, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thing is your right about some rossi fans and the same can be said about some stoner fans,some hayden fans ect ect. Because of rossis long career which has earned him a huge fan base in the sport compared to any of the other competitors. Percentages will tell you he would have more of the fan types of which you speak. but then surely he would also have more fans that are also knowledgeable and who love all thats motogp.

Yes, but based on Rossi’s achievements dear Rog…

8 Championships.
100 wins, only second rider in history.
100 wins / 217 appearances = 46.08% all classes.
74 wins / 158 appearances = 46.84% MotoGP / 500cc.
Rider with most MotoGP wins and 122 podiums.
Only Champion on 125, 250, 500, 990, 800cc categories.
Only Champion that has won on 6 different bikes.
Only rider in history to win back to back Championships with different bikes.
The Champion with the most points in a season, 373 in 2008.
Has won at least Once in fourteen Seasons in a role.
Has won 11 races in a Season, 4 times.
The average points is 18.54 per race in MotoGP.
The average points in his six MotoGP Championships is 346.83.
Has won on 21/22 tracks in MotoGP, only not in Istanbul but has a 2nd place.
Has won on 27 different circuits.

Rossi delivers! And has done so for the last 12 years or so, against the likes of: Abe, Barros, Bayliss, Biaggi, Capirossi, Criville, Elias, Gibernau, Hayden, Lorenzo, Mccoy, Melandri, Pedrosa, Roberts Jr, Stoner, Tamada, Ukawa, Vermeulen.

I guess I am a die hard!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>The average points is 18.54 per race in MotoGP.

That statistic has got to be the most stunning considering the dude has started every single race for like 12 years straight... whoops, is that for motoGP only? 04+ or the 500s too? staggering.

It's interesting to note that it also took him the usual 1 year to adapt to a "new bike" (the 800) before taking the title. I'd never realized that before.

EDIT: so this thread is about stoner's health issues, is there any word outta ting's clinic?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Jul 9 2009, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, but based on Rossi's achievements dear Rog…

8 Championships.
100 wins, only second rider in history.
100 wins / 217 appearances = 46.08% all classes.
74 wins / 158 appearances = 46.84% MotoGP / 500cc.
Rider with most MotoGP wins and 122 podiums.
Only Champion on 125, 250, 500, 990, 800cc categories.
Only Champion that has won on 6 different bikes.


Only rider in history to win back to back Championships with different bikes.

Bzzt!

Lawson did this in 88 and 89.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>The Champion with the most points in a season, 373 in 2008.
Has won at least Once in fourteen Seasons in a role.
Has won 11 races in a Season, 4 times.
The average points is 18.54 per race in MotoGP.
The average points in his six MotoGP Championships is 346.83.
Has won on 21/22 tracks in MotoGP, only not in Istanbul but has a 2nd place.
Has won on 27 different circuits.

Rossi delivers! And has done so for the last 12 years or so, against the likes of: Abe, Barros, Bayliss, Biaggi, Capirossi, Criville, Elias, Gibernau, Hayden, Lorenzo, Mccoy, Melandri, Pedrosa, Roberts Jr, Stoner, Tamada, Ukawa, Vermeulen.

I guess I am a die hard!


Maybe you'd better double check the other 'stats' before you hurt yourself....

Evidence is slowly leaking out

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 9 2009, 08:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>AH<u> English</u> Rossi fans .............

...... bringing the ideals of a british soccer fan to motorcycle racing



Nice post J4rno ( as allways ), wish I had posted it!


I sincerely hope I am not included in this statement!

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 10 2009, 05:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Evidence is slowly leaking out

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dorna's new cost cutting rules

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 8 2009, 01:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Freddy Spencer "burnt out" ..... was he too young for it all?

I have often thought that that was what will stop Casey from winning, He seems a very driven person usually they end up defeating themselves, ie. it could well be nobody will beat him with speed, but only the rider themselves gets burnt out and hence slows themselves.

Who knows maybe he is burnt out already?

But then again maybe he just has some fitness problems at present?

But then again maybe riding the Duc. at that level takes a "wearing" level of fitness ( for this reason I would like to see him try another ride before he disappears off the screen ) And before you jump on this one Rogbab ..... remember he's still a top contender so I am speculating as to how things could possibly go in the future, merely in response to what seems a well informed post by Jumkie.


This has been my concern for Stoner for the last year or so. I vaguely remember posting this last summer, but I'm not going to go looking for it.

Stoner is without a doubt one of the best guys out there. Ive never said otherwise, I do find some of his petulant outbursts a bit grating though, so as much as I rate him, I'm never gonna be a fan.

Back to the subject, his outburst at Laguna and his antics when someone baulks him during qualifying make him appear to be highly strung, and at times struggling with the pressures of what is going on around him. Obviously no one wants to be beaten, or to have their progress held up, but most riders appear to be able to keep a lid on things at the time. I'm sure they go back to the garage and let off big time, but thats a more controlled situation.

Stress can be a horrible debilitating thing. Ive seen the effects it can have on people close up, and it can leave its mark for a long time.

I'm well aware of Stoner's past as a successful bike racer, but to go to the premier class, and go from crasher to dominting the way Stoner did in 2 seasons must have brought it's own stresses. Then to go from clearing off into the distance, to banging fairings weekly the following season must have been a bit of a culture shock. Casey's midseason crashes last year did not look like the same rider who had dominated a year before in my opinion. Then, when the title was gone, and that pressure was lifted, he cleared off again.

This is just my take, not the gospel, take from it what you will.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jul 10 2009, 09:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This has been my concern for Stoner for the last year or so. I vaguely remember posting this last summer, but I'm not going to go looking for it.

Stoner is without a doubt one of the best guys out there. Ive never said otherwise, I do find some of his petulant outbursts a bit grating though, so as much as I rate him, I'm never gonna be a fan.

Back to the subject, his outburst at Laguna and his antics when someone baulks him during qualifying make him appear to be highly strung, and at times struggling with the pressures of what is going on around him. Obviously no one wants to be beaten, or to have their progress held up, but most riders appear to be able to keep a lid on things at the time. I'm sure they go back to the garage and let off big time, but thats a more controlled situation.

Stress can be a horrible debilitating thing. Ive seen the effects it can have on people close up, and it can leave its mark for a long time.

I'm well aware of Stoner's past as a successful bike racer, but to go to the premier class, and go from crasher to dominting the way Stoner did in 2 seasons must have brought it's own stresses. Then to go from clearing off into the distance, to banging fairings weekly the following season must have been a bit of a culture shock. Casey's midseason crashes last year did not look like the same rider who had dominated a year before in my opinion. Then, when the title was gone, and that pressure was lifted, he cleared off again.

This is just my take, not the gospel, take from it what you will.

Pete
That pretty much the way i see it pete.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>(BarryMachine @ Jul 8 2009, 01:37 AM)
Freddy Spencer "burnt out" ..... was he too young for it all?

thing with fast freddie was he took on to much racing 2 classes in the same season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ Jul 9 2009, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That statistic has got to be the most stunning considering the dude has started every single race for like 12 years straight... whoops, is that for motoGP only? 04+ or the 500s too? staggering.

“The average points is 18.54 per race in MotoGP”… from 2000 until now, all his races in Top Class!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Jul 9 2009, 11:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bzzt!
Lawson did this in 88 and 89.
Maybe you'd better double check the other 'stats' before you hurt yourself....

“Only rider in history to win back to back ‘RACES’ with different bikes”… Sorry Geonerd, I got the word ‘Championships’ and ‘Races’ mixed up, it was an honest mistake.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Jul 9 2009, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, but based on Rossi's achievements dear Rog…

8 Championships.
100 wins, only second rider in history.
100 wins / 217 appearances = 46.08% all classes.
74 wins / 158 appearances = 46.84% MotoGP / 500cc.
Rider with most MotoGP wins and 122 podiums.
Only Champion on 125, 250, 500, 990, 800cc categories.
Only Champion that has won on 6 different bikes.
Only rider in history to win back to back <span style="color:#ff0000<strike>Championships</strike> Races with different bikes.
The Champion with the most points in a season, 373 in 2008.
Has won at least Once in fourteen Seasons in a role.
Has won 11 races in a Season, 4 times.
The average points is 18.54 per race in MotoGP.
The average points in his six MotoGP Championships is 346.83.
Has won on 21/22 tracks in MotoGP, only not in Istanbul but has a 2nd place.
Has won on 27 different circuits.

Rossi delivers! And has done so for the last 12 years or so, against the likes of: Abe, Barros, Bayliss, Biaggi, Capirossi, Criville, Elias, Gibernau, Hayden, Lorenzo, Mccoy, Melandri, Pedrosa, Roberts Jr, Stoner, Tamada, Ukawa, Vermeulen.

I guess I am a die hard!