Stoner Ruining the Sport

CaramaC said:

Some respect for the Speedway isn't too much to ask

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It's a bunch of yard of bricks. Get over it.

GeePee said:

This thread got more attention than it deserved.

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That's okay. We'll compensate by ignoring you.

I am thinking one of these people are bikee4



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CaramaC said:

Some respect for the Speedway isn't too much to ask

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That dude is right!





Well I’m gonna have to respectfully disagree with peeps taking digs at the track, and totally agree with Mr. Kravitz, who nailed my sentiments and I would add...



Indy has bent over backwards to try and make this event memorable, safe, and accessible. What more do people want? The riders complained that it wasn’t smooth enough, and at considerable expense, they repaved it, .... you very much. Then they complained that it was too smooth or “slippery”? So just how slipper was it, the only crash coming by way of an enthusiastic overtaking mistake by Barbera. ...., even Randy or Simo didn’t crash, so I’m not so sure just how .... the track was, except those just echoing everything the complaining riders said. It seems this venue cannot catch a break despite them making great efforts to make it enjoyable and safe. That the place looks empty or doesn’t have elevation changes is not much their fault, as it was created for an iconic oval race, which at one time was one of the most popular events on the globe. They then had the vision to bring a MotoGP race to that track, and have done much to accommodate these riders.



The incessant complaining from Stoner and others like Lorenzo was repugnant and ungracious. Its as if he had a personal vendetta with the track. Every time they put a mic in his face he had something .... to say about the track. Jesus, can somebody give this guy a speaking coach? How about qualifying it, with, “well, I know the track has really tried to accommodate us by repaving the track, but these are the issues I’ve experienced…bla bla bla. I still like this kid, but its getting ridiculous with the moaning. Geez man, (and please Stoner fans, you won’t find another staunch defender of his circa 07-10, save Michaelm) but his life is great, he’s astonishing to watch on the track, he’s the best and fastest out there, can we get him a public speaking class? Hahaha.



And regarding those saying its an ugly place, what exactly is “ugly” about it, the massive grandstands? Maybe they should move them?!? The lawns are manicured, the access to the track is good, the parking is decent, plenty of camping space, vender areas are in two neat places, one of the vender areas actually housed in individual garages, and the price of admission is reasonable (probably one of the cheapest). So there are stands and building in front of the straight, and this is unique? When I sat at the grandstands at Silverstone I was lucky to see half a curve and most of the straight, that is it. The rest of the race was seen on a monitor, which we were lucky to get, because they weren’t everywhere. Silverstone is a world-class venue probably 2[sup]nd[/sup] to none. So please, get over the ‘stands impede my view’ if they do, they go see the back side, which I’ve done and get to watch several turns.



The problem with how it looks is that it’s designed to seat and host about a million people, and I’m not exaggerating that figure. Grandstands on the outside alone are well over half a million seats. So it’s going to look empty. Its as flat as Qatar, Sepang, and Assen, I don’t read anybody complaining about the lack of elevation in those venues. If you eliminate the grandstands and replace it with sand you will have something that looks like Qatar.



Now those crying for Barber or whatever other East Coast venue, well send your complaints and dollars to the owners of those venues, tell them what ....... they are too, and while you’re at it, send your thank you notes to Indy, because they actually got it done. They were the only ones to step up. The US is a big country, and having one GP on the very end of one side (Laguna) makes it very difficult for our East Coast friends to make it to the track (literally 3000 miles away). This is something that Indy stepped up to provide. So you may not have to drive or fly clear across the country to see a GP , which also happens to host the lower categories (something we miss here in the West). I suppose there is a sanctioning fee, and Indy forked it out; on top of the nightmare logistics and safety requirements demanded by the FIM. The place is driving distance from highly populated areas, so I think those saying they don’t go because its “ugly” wouldn’t go to any GP, even if it were in their back yard. The East has its GP, the good people at Indy were the only ones who have stepped up, now go pay them back by attending rather than bitching about it.



This place can’t catch a break. It seems people just find and create .... to complain about. These guys go to places that are made on a computer and we say, .... like, another cookie cutter F1 track, bla bla bla. The constant complaining by Stoner doesn’t help with these finicky fair weather fans either, and honestly it was a bit hard for me to stomach, and that’s from a guy who admires the kid. But he wasn’t the only one, however, the fact that he won the race means he was going to be the most important voice, and to still find it in him to talk .... about the track is just ungracious. It seems that if the more success he has the angrier he becomes.



Indy has a great nightlife as well, and the entire city gets on board. Even at Laguna, the nightlife is limited to one street block, that is it, and believe you me, I’ve explored every inch of that block. Indy has multiple block parties streets long, and if that’s not enough, they offer flat track, which they tie into the GP experience. If you go to the flat track, they will have GP representative there because they know and appreciate the attendees. At the track, the people are very friendly; I’d say they are particularly friendly. I’ve had conversation with workers at Indy who told me they go out of their way to be helpful to attendees because they are the ones who spent their hard earned money. Plus they recognized the influx of dollars into the economy. Most venues I go to, I’d say their works couldn’t give a .... about those in attendance.



I don’t get the complaining by the fans, even less the ....... people who didn’t go and simply watched it on television to be talking ...., and worse the riders. And like I said, even before I read this article, the track is an obstacle to be negotiated, so get on with it. This is not the Isle of Man where there is death lurking at every corner. And to the fans who are crying for another venue, if you guys have the money, build a track, then go pay the Dorna extortion fee. Then try to get people to come. Oh, and I hope you make enough knowing that its one race per year. Then if some vocal rider sounds off because they don’t like some detail of the track, I’m sure you can stomach it. I for one thought it was chickenshit for the riders to talk so much .... after the organizers when out of their way to make the track smoother. And for the spectators, I mean, I get that it’s not a standard “looking” road course. But that’s all you got? Is that all we have to complain about, that it just doesn’t look cool? And of course the track was green, hello, it just got repaved (because the principals complained and asked for it). WTF.



Anyway, yeah, I don’t think this is the most picturesque track of the series. But when you actually attend it, you’ll realize it has lots to offer, as Levi touch on some stuff as well. There is even an onsite museum that is free with the price of admission. The worst part is the grandstands, but everything else is cool. I’ll even say that the grandstands are man made hills if you use them correctly, as you can walk up some and get pretty cool views of the back side of the track, and the surrounding area (even downtown Indy in the background). They offer an excellent question and answer period where you can get very close to the riders and get some insight that you won’t read in the magazines. Oh, and I forgot to add, if you can get into the pit, the access is awesome. At Laguna, a pit pass means you get a view of the back of the garage fighting hundreds of others to get a glimpse, but at Indy, you get into the pit and you might as well be having lunch with all the riders. There is a lot this venue has to offer. I doubt it will be kept on the calendar, but it won’t be because the organizers didn’t try or didn’t offer up a great experience. And it certainly won’t be thanks to the riders that talked ..... And when Texas does come online, it will be further away from the East, which will be enough payback for the East coasters who slag it off. Good for me, bad for my East Coast friends who will have to sleep on the floor at Curves house, as I already have dibs on the couch.

All right.....settle down man, you're not gonna see 45 at this pace You've been nothing shy of PROLIFIC this week! How many posts do you have since Saturday?



You won me over a bit with that friggin novel...yeah, I guess you're on to something.



I must say, I've attended my fair share of sporting events and the Indy races I've been to were some of the best orchestrated and policed events I've ever attended. The city is overly welcoming, the place is incredibly clean and the staff are too nice to be taken seriously...they probably deserve some credit for the effort they've made to host an event the place was never built for.



If I were them, I'd be disappointed in being slagged so hard after doing what they've done to pull this off.



Jumks, you win this time, I was probably being a ..... This time only!



Krop, were you there this weekend? My friend (who's in the auto racing business) claims that the facilities at Indy are fantastic for teams and journo's. Is that true? I've been in the paddock and as Jumks says, the access for fans is incredible. How do the team and journo area's compare to what you've seen at other venues? Thanks.

Man I need to come around more often. This is good stuff.



Excellent take Jumkie and I couldn't of said it better IN 900 WORDS OR LESS. The Tequila soaked rants are easier reading and just as enjoyable.



And just for the record Stevens said it was a beaver so it had to be. Looks like there was a lot of them there.

Loose Rod said:

And just for the record Stevens said it was a beaver so it had to be. Looks like there was a lot of them there.

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Nah....most of the beavers I've seen don't have that much fur.

levigarrett said:

All right.....settle down man, you're not gonna see 45 at this pace

You've been nothing shy of PROLIFIC this week! How many posts do you have since Saturday?



You won me over a bit with that friggin novel...yeah, I guess you're on to something.



I must say, I've attended my fair share of sporting events and the Indy races I've been to were some of the best orchestrated and policed events I've ever attended. The city is overly welcoming, the place is incredibly clean and the staff are too nice to be taken seriously...they probably deserve some credit for the effort they've made to host an event the place was never built for.



If I were them, I'd be disappointed in being slagged so hard after doing what they've done to pull this off.



Jumks, you win this time, I was probably being a ..... This time only!



Krop, were you there this weekend? My friend (who's in the auto racing business) claims that the facilities at Indy are fantastic for teams and journo's. Is that true? I've been in the paddock and as Jumks says, the access for fans is incredible. How do the team and journo area's compare to what you've seen at other venues? Thanks.

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In my defense, Indy is where i met my Florida Connection boys, and its been a life changer (Daytona/Silverstone) so... perhaps im overly sentimental about the place.

Nuts said:

Nah....most of the beavers I've seen don't have that much fur.

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Ah!



Thnx Loose Rod, kind words.



Ok, so: squirrel, muskrat, gopher, bikee, beaver. Did i miss one?

The sport is not ruin or anything. It's getting exciting by the day with ultra performances and dramas.



But I'm sure one or two personality in MotoGP ruining spectators head by convincing their fans that the other personality is ruining the sport, at the same time taking their fans money by selling an ugly t-shirt. It's kind of classic "desperate housewife" style promotional thingy in order to sell merchandise by bad mouthing others.



For thread opener, here a revelation for you if you hadn't noticed. You just got owned by the particular MotoGP personality. I'm sure the personality that sold you the t-shirt make you sorrow since he haven't give you any satisfying results so far this season.

Sorry Nero, but ur post made me feel drunk.

Jumkie said:

Sorry Nero, but ur post made me feel drunk.

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Jum you need to say your piece in less words. I ain't Gen Y but that .... is just too long winded to get thru in limited time.



It is my opinion that it is not the riders job to make sure that the feelings of track owners and operators are looked after. Their job is to get their bike ready to go race distance as fast as possible on the track laid out before them. Now remember that this is the pinnacle of motorcycle racing and these guys have given everything to get there and their hold on their spot is under the most pressure out of all the participants. They are accountable to their team and their sponsors. Some times, just look at Dovi, despite good results they lose their ride for no good reason. So just look at Sic, Indy may have been the last straw for him on retaining a factory ride next year and due to the condition of the track he may be on a satellite spec bike next year.



IMS are responsible for supplying a track, venue and all the logistics and services that go with it to host the teams, riders, media and fans. They are accountable to each of those participants to do the best job possible. If the media facilities are bad then you will hear the media complain about it just as Krop did earlier in the year. If they have bad facilities for the fans then the fans will complain and not come. The riders sole focus for the weekend is the track. Nothing else. They do not care if there is only 80,000 fans in the stand instead of 100,000. They don't care if Krop has fast internet or if the toilets for the fans stink to buggary and the lines go around the block. They are there to negotiate the track end of story. So if the track is not acceptable for the pinnacle of motorcycle racing then in my opinion they have a right to say something about it. Further I do not see how it is a riders responsibility to make sure that MotoGP grows in the US or in any other country. As far as I know they are not getting a cut of the TV or Gate revenues. I know that it is sponsors that pay the bills but ask Yamaha and Lorenzo if they have a sponsor they need to grow MotoGP viewer numbers for?



In my opinion Dorna and the FIM are responsible for managing all the aspects of each round. Part of that management process should be managing the preparation and condition of the track via checks and balances on the venue owner/operator. The same applies for the condition of the media facilities, team facilities and fan facilities.



Until Dorna starts issuing a cut of the TV and Gate revenues to Lorenzo, Stoner and the rest of the riders then in my opinion the riders have no responsibility to these components.

Nuts said:

Nah....most of the beavers I've seen don't have that much fur.

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That'd be in their natural state, the one Casey nearly hit on could have been one of those Brazillian Beavers that seem to be spreading throughout the whole world.

indi sux - get over it Jumkie

RE the comments about Indy:



1) Riders have every right to complain about a tracks. They are the ones that have to compete on them. Whether we want to listen is our choice.



2) Every single rider on the grid has complained about the track-surface at Indy. Why do Lorenzo, Pedrosa and Stoner get singled out?



3) See point 2: Is that because Stoner had the nerve to say that he did not enjoy riding this track as much as other ones? You prefer hypocrisy?



4) That opinion piece quoted above. Sounds to me like a massive amount of US arrogance. Like it's a sin to say something bad about a track that has some special significance to nascar fans. How many riders do you think have said they don't enjoy riding Assen as much as they used to anymore, now that the track has a new lay-out? You don't see the Dutch get their panties in a bunch about that. Nor would they if they would .... up repaving their track and get scolded for that. Or ask the Belgians about how many times they were criticized and had to change Spa. You don't see them throwing tantrums like Mr. Kravitz about this perceived insolence. And these 2 are examples of circuits that actually are iconic for motorcycle racing and F1, respectively.



5) So what was repugnant and ungracious? Complaining about the track surface and the associated graining of the tire (every rider did, including Hayden)? Or saying that, because the track was run the wrong way around, most corners tightened up rather than opened up, making the track not very fun to ride (while making specific reference to the excellent facilities of the place in the same interview)? Or was it mentioning saying that winning at Indy does not make riding at Indy necessarily more pleasurable? Or maybe it was pointing out that there are many tracks around the world and many are just simply more fun to ride than Indy?



Now, before I get 1500 word-count .... hurled at me, note that I am arguing for the right of the riders (anyone of them) to speak their minds and not have to behave like media puppets, not against Indy. My personal opinion of the track is pretty ambivalent. I don't mind them racing their, I enjoyed this last race very much actually, I do think that the track is about as exciting as Motegi (i.e. not very). For this particular round, the circuit owners seem to have made a huge mistake by forgetting to let the new surface get rubbed in. On the whole, thinking of Indy for me brings the Top Gear motto to mind: 'ambitious, but rubbish'.



For me, the most important thing about a track is the track itself and the racing it produces. If Indy has the best nightlife, parking lots and grid girls in the world, good on them, but that matters f#$ all to me, and it probably does not matter to many of the other people sitting behind their tv watching. I'd much prefer a track like Miller.

Indy is a ..... track enough said.

Badfish said:

Indy is a ..... track enough said.

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And there I go spending all my time writing lengthy posts.

stiefel said:

For this particular round, the circuit owners seem to have made a huge mistake by forgetting to let the new surface get rubbed in.

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That about sums it up in one sentence

lil red rocket pilot said:

That about sums it up in one sentence

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Mhmm. Less text+more posts=increase E-.....?