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Stoner Retiring!

Stoner announced his retirement making a speech on all the things he doesn't like about the world where he has become rich and famous -- harsh but legitimate. But then, he didn't say thank you to anybody: that's more difficult to understand, especially since there are several people he owes to, in that "evil" world.

We can safely say now he's the only real Alien in MotoGP, and in more ways than one. Like ET, he is capable of performing miracles on our planet but wants to return home...

Phone... home...
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maybe he will thank them in private, or he will do it at the end of the season, you may think...
 
Both John Surtees and Gary Hocking walked away from the No.1 plate.



From memory, Lawson walked away mid season under huge villification from his plaudits, peers and within the paddock.
 
I get the feeling that Stoner is like the typical son/daughter of 'fanatic parents' that pushes their kids way beyond the extremem to be perfectionist....... and it has taken a toll on him. His parents does seem kind of physcho's when I remember watching the short documentary of how they just packed up and left for Europe on a trailor. That HAS to have an impact on him.



I mean, it worked out in the end as far as financial gamble goes for Stoner...... but there are plenty of 'racing families' like this who would spend their kids' college fund and go nowhere and ruin not only their pocket books, but ruin their kids childhood, making them socially awkward (like Jumkie) and basically they go into seclusion, which is where Stoner is heading.
 
I have raced at Daytona, Summit Point, Pocono, Loudon, Road Atlanta, Mid-Ohio etc - so know a little about the politics of the paddock.



MotoGP tracks? Only Laguna and a few times at Daytona when they used to run what used to call the "Formula One" race in the days of 500cc two strokes. The area open to the actual teams has always been more exclusive and has been a much smaller area. When I raced AMA-CCS endurance races (at Daytona) only the full out AMA Superbike guys and pro-licensed F2 and BOTT guys got to have a garage space in the actual live paddock. Championship Cup guys like me had to do all wrenching etc out in grassy parking area and were only allowed access to the paddock for inspection by scrutineers and to enter pitlane during practice and the actual race.



Funny now that you mention it. I didn't see all that many AMA teams parked in the Laguna vendor area, as compared to how many teams were actually there to compete. I reckon a limited number of non-GP guys got spaces in the vendor area and that vendors who could be expected to take bigger lots and pay much more money would get priority when it came to assigning spaces. Maybe Jum could ask Benny to comment.





When did you race CCS Endurance? I raced a couple of those events (Mid Ohio and Brainard). Back when Dr John's Goose was in action. Schwantz actually practiced with us at Ohio becuase he had problems during one of the Superbike practices so they let that crazy som ..... out there with us.
 
When did you race CCS Endurance? I raced a couple of those events (Mid Ohio and Brainard). Back when Dr John's Goose was in action. Schwantz actually practiced with us at Ohio becuase he had problems during one of the Superbike practices so they let that crazy som ..... out there with us.



'84-'88. Schwantz did the same with us up at Loudon. He got a AMA-CCS card and used our endurance race as a practice session to learn the track - that was either 87 or 88. A memorable weekend. I recall seeing a guy with motocross bike come

out after official practice was over and the guy had on race slicks. We all thought is was weirdest thing we'd ever seen. The guy

unofficially broke a few track records. The word "Supermoto" would not be invented for several more decades. BTW - My team was Reverend Jim Racing.
 
'84-'88. Schwantz did the same with us up at Loudon. He got a AMA-CCS card and used our endurance race as a practice session to learn the track - that was either 87 or 88. A memorable weekend. I recall seeing a guy with motocross bike come

out after official practice was over and the guy had on race slicks. We all thought is was weirdest thing we'd ever seen. The guy

unofficially broke a few track records. The word "Supermoto" would not be invented for several more decades. BTW - My team was Reverend Jim Racing.

Did you drink the Kool Aid?
 
I get the feeling that Stoner is like the typical son/daughter of 'fanatic parents' that pushes their kids way beyond the extremem to be perfectionist....... and it has taken a toll on him. His parents does seem kind of physcho's when I remember watching the short documentary of how they just packed up and left for Europe on a trailor. That HAS to have an impact on him. I mean, it worked out in the end as far as financial gamble goes for Stoner...... but there are plenty of 'racing families' like this who would spend their kids' college fund and go nowhere and ruin not only their pocket books, but ruin their kids childhood, making them socially awkward (like Jumkie) and basically they go into seclusion, which is where Stoner is heading.



You do talk .... sometimes! Correction Most of the time! 2nd correction all the time!

Stoners parents did what they did FOR Casey.

As I would for any of mt kids that showed talent from such an early age.
 
Stoner announced his retirement making a speech on all the things he doesn't like about the world where he has become rich and famous -- harsh but legitimate. But then, he didn't say thank you to anybody: that's more difficult to understand, especially since there are several people he owes to, in that "evil" world.

We can safely say now he's the only real Alien in MotoGP, and in more ways than one. Like ET, he is capable of performing miracles on our planet but wants to return home...

Phone... home...
<

To release my inner neobopper, as someone has said perhaps he will thank everyone when he actually retires, which he hasn't yet done, having at this stage only announced he will retire. He may anticipate having more to be thankful about by the end of the year. In his interview in this week's australian motor cycle news he discusses at some length that his main regret will be separating from his crew, and makes it clear that he thinks they have been absolutely fantastic, but doesn't actually thank them.



I think it would be very remiss of him not to thank a lot of people, including alberto puig, when he does retire. I also hope he has said his piece and won't continue a running commentary on the ills of motogp for the remainder of the year, or at least not until after he retires, either.



The amusing thing from my perspective in the flame war/reasoned discussion (depending on point of view) in the comments on david emmett's piece on his site about stoner's retirement announcement is that, having called for stoner to leave the sport and stop taking the money if he doesn't like it, that certain element is still critical of his decision to do so, and apparently think he should be thankful to people of their ilk because they are fans of the sport despite them making a major contribution to him leaving.
 
From comments made by Cal Crutchlow, Stoner is just voicing what most of the riders are thinking, but are too contractually obliged or looking for a new contract to say.



Stoner's comments did not go down well with many in the MotoGP paddock, although according to Crutchlow there are just as many who agree with the 26-year-old - they just can't voice it.



"I completely agree with what he is saying but he is the only one with the balls to say it," the Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Team rider told Motorcycle News.



"He can say it because he is stopping but it is difficult for us to say it because we all need jobs for next year and if the Championship is going CRT we can't say this and that is .....



"We need to be here but Casey's opinion is totally right and I agree with everything he said. I believe every other rider thinks the same, but they don't want to say it."



Livio Suppo put it well: "Casey has infinite talent, but he’s not a diplomat : he says what he thinks. In this world its easier to live if you know how to lie, but this isn’t his case."
 
'84-'88. Schwantz did the same with us up at Loudon. He got a AMA-CCS card and used our endurance race as a practice session to learn the track - that was either 87 or 88. A memorable weekend. .



Please indulge that story Keshav. I would love to here the perspective of a club racer racing with a legend
 
Please indulge that story Keshav. I would love to here the perspective of a club racer racing with a legend



Not much story to tell. Initially - I didn't even know he was there. Then there was this tall skinny kid riding

like a madman, flying past all the best riders like they were standing still. He must have lapped me five or

six times during the 300 km race. Neither I nor anyone else there had any fillusions about being competitive

in any way with that crazy baby-faced kid from Texas. My then wife Danna, was a corner marshall and when I pointed him

out walking down pitlane she was clearly enamored. She said he "looked like a baby eagle". Funny to think

on it - but Schwantz never won an AMA championship, so it would never have occurred to anyone that he

might potentially end up going to race in Europe, never mind actually winning a championship. The riders

who I was on the lookout to meet were Shobert, Merkel and Cooley. Wes Cooley was my idol back then.
 
An interesting article on the retiring one and Crutchlow



From - http://www.motorspor...days-in-motogp/







Casey Stoner’s retirement bombshell overshadowed everything at Le Mans, but it wasn’t the only talking point.

The other story that grabbed people’s attention was the Tech 3 brakes saga which has Andrea Dovizioso paying for the latest Brembo brakes out of his own wages while team-mate Cal Crutchlow argues that it’s not right that MotoGP riders should have to buy their own parts.

Strangely perhaps, the two stories are related.



Stoner is retiring at the end of the season because he has “fallen out of love with the sport”. Beyond the obvious reason that he needs a break from motorcycle racing (having raced for 23 of his 26 years), he believes that the sport “he fell in love with” has changed for the worse, to the point where it’s now more of a marketing exercise than a bike racing championship.

It’s hard to disagree with him on that one.

The amount of paddock space dedicated to corporate hospitality increases exponentially and the hospitality units are given pride of place while the smaller teams who can’t be accommodated in the pits are hidden away out of sight. After all, you wouldn’t want your corporate guests to walk past a noisy Moto3 bike and some sweaty, oil-stained mechanics while on their way to a guided tour of Valentino Rossi’s factory Ducati pit, would you? Stoner believes that race bikes are more important than fine dining.



This year there are so many hospitality units that Moto2 and Moto3 riders have been banished from the paddock. They are no longer allowed to bring camper vans to races; they must stay in hotels instead. This ban has had a huge effect on paddock atmosphere. The MotoGP paddock is no longer a bustling village of 70 or 80 riders – from teenage rookies to veteran superstars – and their families and friends, cooking up barbecues, sitting around in sun loungers and generally having a nice time. It has now been reduced to a millionaire’s row of palatial motorhomes belonging to the MotoGP riders. Stoner is deeply unhappy about this – he believes that Moto2 and Moto3 riders also deserve their place in the paddock.

His dislike of the new CRT bikes has been given more airtime. Indeed it was their imminent arrival that prompted his first mention of retirement, at Valencia last year. “If MotoGP’s not prototypes then I’ll be out of here,” he said. “I’m not interested in the slightest in racing modified production bikes. That should be the league you work your way through to get where we are. It’s like Formula 1 switching to touring cars.”

Stoner believes that the CRT concept threatens the very existence of the exotic MotoGP prototypes on which he has plied his trade for the past seven years. “This is a MotoGP championship, a prototype championship,” he said at Le Mans. “And these prototypes are amazing machines – they’re like works of art.”

Over the years Stoner’s habit of speaking his mind and damn the consequences hasn’t won him many friends. At Le Mans the only man who came right out and voiced his support was Crutchlow.



“I completely agree with what he’s saying,” said the Briton. “He’s the only one with the balls to say it. We can’t say we think MotoGP’s .... if it’s turning to CRT because we need rides. All the riders think the same as Casey but they don’t want to say it.”

Crutchlow currently finds himself in a bizarre situation. MotoGP may be more corporate than ever and he may ride for one of its top teams but he’s now the only Brembo-equipped rider without up-to-date brakes. The Italian company’s 2012 discs and callipers deliver six per cent more braking power but Tech 3 Yamaha won’t buy them. Cost is £2000 for each calliper and £8000 for each disc, with a full season’s cost estimated at over £50,000.

While Dovizioso recently bought his own 2012 Brembos in an apparently successful attempt to boost his performance, Crutchlow is making a stand. He is adamant that he won’t dig into his own pockets.



Out of principle I won’t be buying anything,” he said. “It’s completely wrong – I’m racing in MotoGP, not club racing. It’s not my job to buy brakes, my job is to race motorcycles… but maybe I’ll go round someone’s garage and steal them.”

Some of Crutchlow’s fans are now thinking of trying to raise money for the brakes via social media sites.

Strange days indeed.

Been saying it for years. This is professional sport, buying seats,tires, brakes etc:, and racing for virtually no paycheck is counter productive. Some call it "chasing a dream", all they are doing is selling out their fellow riders.
 
Been saying it for years. This is professional sport, buying seats,tires, brakes etc:, and racing for virtually no paycheck is counter productive. Some call it "chasing a dream", all they are doing is selling out their fellow riders.

So you do believe in collective bargaining.
 
I was really stunned when I read and heard about his retirement.It made me realise,Stoner is why I watch moto GP nowadays.

He is the only rider who is facinating to watch.The others looks like they're riding electric scooters in comparison.

It's simply not that interresting anymore,knowing he is doing his last races.Sure,I hope he wins this year,but it's going to be tough with the new thing to introduce tires they didn't want when the season has started!

Ducati is going nowhere,so no thrill there.Rossi won't go fast until they practically write yamaha on the fueltank.I mean,He and Burgess spent(wasted)one whole season trying to make a Yamaha chassi,before realising,maybe we should listen to some advice from someone else!



Sorry about the whining.I had to get it out of my system.
 

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