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Great, now I have to get up at 6am, bloody radiation.
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Well I for one won't be watching it!!



What with all the cathode ray tube radiation who needs the added radiation coming through the TV pictures!!





oh wait, I have an LCD TV ......



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Ok..... Rant on

I've avoided reading this whole thread for a while, because the whole idea annoys the .... out of me.

The Japanese are some of the most proud and patriotic people in the world. Japan has been smashed by this earthquake and the reactor meltdown, but they have quietly got on with sorting the mess out, themselves. All three of these ....... (and any other riders in the same position) are being paid Millions of Dollars a year by Japanese teams, and it would give millions of Yamaha, Honda, and Suzuki fans in Japan a massive boost to see the MotoGP round go ahead. Bike racing is huge in Japan, and this MotoGP round is literally one of the biggest sporting events of the year. Try cancelling the Superbowl or the Premier League final, because half the players don't want to turn up, and you will get the picture.

As has been well documented, all these riders will get a higher exposure to radiation on the flight to Japan, than they will get from being in Montegi. The food is safe, the water is safe. This is a media beatup, by illinformed people, and unfortunately these ....... have jumped on the bandwagon.

This is BS, and I really hope Honda and Yamaha step in (quietly behind the scenes), and tell these three clowns that they ARE going to Japan.



I have been to Tokyo twice since the tsunami, and I have two further trips scheduled to Japan before the end of the year.

Seriously, I hope these comments have been blown out of proportion, and are not the true standpoint of these guys, because I will loose a .... load of respect for them if this is true.

..... Rant off
 
Ok..... Rant on

I've avoided reading this whole thread for a while, because the whole idea annoys the .... out of me.

The Japanese are some of the most proud and patriotic people in the world. Japan has been smashed by this earthquake and the reactor meltdown, but they have quietly got on with sorting the mess out, themselves. All three of these ....... (and any other riders in the same position) are being paid Millions of Dollars a year by Japanese teams, and it would give millions of Yamaha, Honda, and Suzuki fans in Japan a massive boost to see the MotoGP round go ahead. Bike racing is huge in Japan, and this MotoGP round is literally one of the biggest sporting events of the year. Try cancelling the Superbowl or the Premier League final, because half the players don't want to turn up, and you will get the picture.

As has been well documented, all these riders will get a higher exposure to radiation on the flight to Japan, than they will get from being in Montegi. The food is safe, the water is safe. This is a media beatup, by illinformed people, and unfortunately these ....... have jumped on the bandwagon.

This is BS, and I really hope Honda and Yamaha step in (quietly behind the scenes), and tell these three clowns that they ARE going to Japan.



I have been to Tokyo twice since the tsunami, and I have two further trips scheduled to Japan before the end of the year.

Seriously, I hope these comments have been blown out of proportion, and are not the true standpoint of these guys, because I will loose a .... load of respect for them if this is true.

..... Rant off



Just to be clear it was all the riders except for Aoyama who indicated they did not want to go. Apparently a lot of the crews also didn't want to go. These 3 are simply the ones who were asked and gave their opinions. So if you are going to call them ....... then you better call a sizeable chunk of the pits ....... also.



If these 3 are ....... then it obviously means that running at the front in MotoGP requires one to be a ..... because all the 'hard' men don't seem to be able to keep up or be '.....' enough to get to and past the limit.



I also doubt that MotoGP ranks anywhere near Sumo or Baseball in Japan as far as a National spectator sport.



It is only my opinion but I think it was done in an attempt to try and leverage some power over Dorna. These are the guys at the front and they want it to be about them rather than the old guard. Maybe it didn't work but Dorna did go out and get independent tests to placate them. I suspect we will see more leverage from these guys in the near future especially as they seem to be 'friends' or at least respectful of each other and as a group will be able to exert some power.
 
Ok..... Rant on

I've avoided reading this whole thread for a while, because the whole idea annoys the .... out of me.

The Japanese are some of the most proud and patriotic people in the world. Japan has been smashed by this earthquake and the reactor meltdown, but they have quietly got on with sorting the mess out, themselves. All three of these ....... (and any other riders in the same position) are being paid Millions of Dollars a year by Japanese teams, and it would give millions of Yamaha, Honda, and Suzuki fans in Japan a massive boost to see the MotoGP round go ahead. Bike racing is huge in Japan, and this MotoGP round is literally one of the biggest sporting events of the year. Try cancelling the Superbowl or the Premier League final, because half the players don't want to turn up, and you will get the picture.

As has been well documented, all these riders will get a higher exposure to radiation on the flight to Japan, than they will get from being in Montegi. The food is safe, the water is safe. This is a media beatup, by illinformed people, and unfortunately these ....... have jumped on the bandwagon.

This is BS, and I really hope Honda and Yamaha step in (quietly behind the scenes), and tell these three clowns that they ARE going to Japan.



I have been to Tokyo twice since the tsunami, and I have two further trips scheduled to Japan before the end of the year.

Seriously, I hope these comments have been blown out of proportion, and are not the true standpoint of these guys, because I will loose a .... load of respect for them if this is true.

..... Rant off

All true.



The latest aspect is that there is said to be concern about the reactor not having been as yet completely stabilised, and the risk of further aftershocks etc. It is harder to give categorical assurances about this, but as you say the people manufacturing the bikes and parts, and managing the companies and teams involved mostly live and work near motegi, and the risks of further mishap are stiill much less than many risks of everyday life, and miniscule in comparison to the risk of the pass stoner made on lorenzo on the outside at laguna on the week-end which attracted general praise and no complaint from lorenzo. To be consistent lorenzo and stoner shouldn't have been in california in the first place given it is a known earthquake zone right on the san andreas fault.





As I have said I claim some expertise in the biological effects of radiation as a doctor working in a field somewhat involved with radiation but I am not a phyicist. However my understanding is that the fukushima accident was considered so serious because there was a "melt through" with a failure of containment, perhaps involving the spent fuel rods, with considerable leakage of radio-isotopes into the sea and to a less extent groundwater, but there is no risk of the reactors catastrophically exploding as occurred at chernobyl, where the reactor design was different and even older; the reactor there essentially exploded because it was enclosed in graphite which burned, and hence there was considerable atmospheric dispersion/contamination.
 
CS WILL GO TO JAPAN!!!NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS!! He’s NOT STUPID and he wants the 2011 W/C and hewill never ever sacrifice his standing or his potion for a quirky radiationscare!!!



Stoner will be in Japan at the Motegi circuit!!! He has to be its there its essential for Honda and his team!!!



I just can’t understand all the B/S about this topic???




 
Some people say they dont want to live within 100km of a fully safe nuclear plant, let alone one in meltdown. There's nothing rational about it, we're happy to die slowly from alcohol and cigarettes etc etc but not from radiation. The riders are no different.

In Aus there are no nuclear powerstations since we are the ones who choose to die slowly from the coal powered pollution and acid rain so poor old Stoner (he's from the country not the city) is just don't get it yet
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Don't knock him he'll come around once its all explained to him
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Some people say they dont want to live within 100km of a fully safe nuclear plant, let alone one in meltdown. There's nothing rational about it, we're happy to die slowly from alcohol and cigarettes etc etc but not from radiation. The riders are no different.

In Aus there are no nuclear powerstations since we are the ones who choose to die slowly from the coal powered pollution and acid rain so poor old Stoner (he's from the country not the city) is just don't get it yet
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Don't knock him he'll come around once its all explained to him
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yeah, u got to speak reeaalllyy slloowwwlly to these country folk
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Some people say they dont want to live within 100km of a fully safe nuclear plant, let alone one in meltdown. There's nothing rational about it, we're happy to die slowly from alcohol and cigarettes etc etc but not from radiation. The riders are no different.

In Aus there are no nuclear powerstations since we are the ones who choose to die slowly from the coal powered pollution and acid rain so poor old Stoner (he's from the country not the city) is just don't get it yet
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Don't knock him he'll come around once its all explained to him
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That's it in a nutshell.
 
Those "WITH YOU JAPAN" stickers on the fairings will really sound like empty words, if they refuse to go even when it has been certified that the radiation levels are not dangerous, especially for a stay of only a few days.

I think in the end they will all go.





PS: nice new forum front, but how did I become a "MotoGP Whore"?!
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Japan needs money to rebuild,

It would be an insult to them to host a world event during these times.



That whole Japan debacle just cost me an extra $100 as I had to reschedule my flight to

Colin Edwards' boot camp.

My bootcamp got rescheduled one week because Dorna put the JapanGP on my weekend.
 
Triple points for the Motegi GP - that will get those chicken .... ....... off their ..... and over to Japan
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For the second time, only Lorenzo and Stoner have said they aren't going. While most of the other riders have said they don't want to go, none other than Lorenzo and Stoner have categorically said they aren't going.
 
Japan needs money to rebuild,

It would be an insult to them to host a world event during these times.



This may be the most sensible post of the thread.



Can you elaborate Shovel? or should we leave it at that and exersize patience?
 
Those "WITH YOU JAPAN" stickers on the fairings will really sound like empty words, if they refuse to go even when it has been certified that the radiation levels are not dangerous, especially for a stay of only a few days.

I think in the end they will all go.





PS: nice new forum front, but how did I become a "MotoGP Whore"?!
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Perhaps it's a result of all the times you've bent over backwards in the service of Rossi.
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I kid... I kid with love.
 
Perhaps it's a result of all the times you've bent over backwards in the service of Rossi.
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I kid... I kid with love.



I have defended Stoner in the same way, but those who are obsessed only with Rossi tend to overlook that
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Record-high radiation detected at Fukushima





The World TodaySarah Dingle

Updated August 02, 2011 18:59:11





The company that owns Japan's stricken Fukushima nuclear power plant says it has detected record-high radiation on site.

Almost five months after Japan's government announced a nuclear emergency, the company which owns the Fukushima nuclear plant, Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), says radiation levels have reached at least 10 sieverts per hour near Fukushima's No. 1 and No. 2 reactors.

The radiation levels are more than double the previous record high that was reached in early June.

One nuclear expert predicts the clean-up from the March 11 earthquake and tsunami will be even more difficult, but there is speculation that the reading could be an aberration.

Peter Burns, former chief executive officer of the Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency, says given the scale of the Fukushima emergency, the high reading is to be expected.

"The levels reported of 10 sieverts per hour are very high levels and it's going to be very difficult to manage workers going into those areas and doing operations," he said.

"To put the 10 sieverts into context, that 10 sieverts is actually a lethal dose of radiation. So you can't afford to be exposed for more than a few minutes at those levels.

"It means you're directly exposed to fuel rods in the reactors or the spent fuel ponds very closely and while it's possible to get to those levels it means there is very little shielding going on there."

In the week after the quake and tsunami, which triggered an explosion at the facility and a nuclear meltdown, military helicopters water bombed the power plant to try stop fuel rods and containment pools being exposed to the air.

Mr Burns says in addition to the damage, those working on the reactor now also have to contend with contaminated waste generated by the clean-up operation.

"There have been reports it's a huge problem of a huge inventory of contaminated materials - water and other materials that are going to have to be managed over the next years," he said.

"Obviously these have to be contained by some mechanism and then removed to various storage sites so that they can be properly managed over what will be decades.

"The ways of doing it are reasonably well known, what you have to do, but it's just managing it on the scale that they're going to have to manage it on would be unique in the world."

Tony Irwin, a former reactor manager now with the Australian National University, says TEPCO has now set up a water treatment plant.

"To pump this contaminated water through this treatment plant, you remove the radioactive materials and this is the water that is now re-circulating back to cool the reactor," he said.

"So all this water is now being contained and treated."

Abnormality



Mr Irwin says thanks to the new water treatment plant, much of the contaminated water is being contained on site and this month's recent high readings could be an abnormality.

"I think it's an isolated ... probably some sort of debris from the hydrogen explosions. They've found small isolated high-radiation debris around the site and this I think [it] looks to be another one of those," he said.

"So it's probably only a very small area where there is this 10 sieverts an hour. They've found other rubble that's one sievert an hour as well."

The record-high reading comes as the Japan government suspends all beef cattle shipments from Iwate prefecture, north of the Fukushima reactor site.

It is the third prefecture to be slapped with a ban due to contamination fears.

Jyunichi Tokuyama from Iwate Prefecture's agricultural department says he was stunned to learn that the contamination was found that far north.

"Iwate Prefecture is 200 to 300 kilometres from the nuclear plant, which has caused the beef to be contaminated. We didn't even consider that the explosion would have affected us being so far away. I'm very surprised," he said.

The Japanese government says radiated rice straw was fed to the cattle and it is also considering suspending cattle shipments in a fourth prefecture.





Notice the date of this article = TODAY



Guys, it doesnt sound like they know how bad this is. There is an awful lot of, 'could be', probably, and i thnk' in that article. Sounds like someone trying to paint a rosy picture and cover his ... at the same time.
 
I reckon all the riders have a right to be a little nervous about going.

Is it possible they could move this years race to Suzuka which is a lot further away from the power plant?
 
Guys, it doesnt sound like they know how bad this is. There is an awful lot of, 'could be', probably, and i thnk' in that article. Sounds like someone trying to paint a rosy picture and cover his ... at the same time.



The internet forum experts have decreed it safe, so it is safe. Japan has repeatedly tried to cover up the extent of the disaster, but are to be fully trusted.



I think you will find all of the riders at the race, I believe that there is a reason that you have not heard the 'I am not going' speeches repeated (other than ad nauseum in forums). But don't believe everything that you read regarding Fukushima.



Of course, my post count here is low so I probably don't know what I'm talking about (wink, wink, nod, nod).
 
Without knowing the context of the measurement, it's pretty useless. It's kind of like taking a temperature reading outside - are you meauring the air, or the surface of a black driveway?



I think it was unit three that blew chunks of spent fuel far and wide. If some poor 'sponge' was told, "Go measure over there." and found a piece of spent fuel, he could easily see 10Sv/h on the ground, adjacent to the debris.



As always, TEPCO released little dribbles of information that are so vague as to be useless.







"Sponge," "Jumper," "Glow-boy," etc. are all slang for "short term nuclear worker." I like 'Sponge' the best!
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Without knowing the context of the measurement, it's pretty useless. It's kind of like taking a temperature reading outside - are you meauring the air, or the surface of a black driveway?



I think it was unit three that blew chunks of spent fuel far and wide. If some poor 'sponge' was told, "Go measure over there." and found a piece of spent fuel, he could easily see 10Sv/h on the ground, adjacent to the debris.



As always, TEPCO released little dribbles of information that are so vague as to be useless.







"Sponge," "Jumper," "Glow-boy," etc. are all slang for "short term nuclear worker." I like 'Sponge' the best!
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It is for that reason i am not going to judge the riders. MAYBE, they are over reacting to the danger, but it has been shown over and over you cannot trust reports coming from the Japanese Government. I would also be leery of any report commissioned by the entity that stands to make or lose millions if this race goes off or not. If i were the riders, and i felt this strong about it, i would hire my own independent expert to examine the situation and make my decision based on his recommendations. Personally, i think the race should be scrubbed, its not a huge draw and GP is not something these people live for on a year to year basis, compared to say Spain and Italy. I just think there are more important things to get done. Do these people need something to remind them of normal times, sure they do, but im guessing they need the necessities of life such as food, cloths and drinkable water more than they need 45 minutes of entertainment. If they insist on having this race, and they are going to use the guise of doing it for the people, i would like to see a massive goodwill gestures from Dorna and anyone else profiting from the race. When i say massive, im talking donation of profits, free admission etc: Then we would see how gung ho they are for the race..
 

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