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i would hire my own independent expert to examine the situation and make my decision based on his recommendations.

But how would you know if that independent expert had been paid off by Ezpeleta to double-cross you? You could always buy your own dosimeter and check it yourself, but how would you know whether Dorna had tampered with all the handheld dosimeters just for such an eventuality?



Personally, I think getting out of bed should be scrubbed -- too scary!!!
 
But how would you know if that independent expert had been paid off by Ezpeleta to double-cross you? You could always buy your own dosimeter and check it yourself, but how would you know whether Dorna had tampered with all the handheld dosimeters just for such an eventuality?



Personally, I think getting out of bed should be scrubbed -- too scary!!!

Thats simple, you dont tell Ezpeleta you intend to hire someone. Geez, did you not go to the Jethro Bodine double naught spy school.
 
Ezpeleta is calling ... from inside the house!

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Here's a video discussing the 10 Sv/hr reading.





http://www.youtube.c...h?v=nAMjiVg23TA

Not exactly a confidence booster if you ask me. Listen to how many time he says " I think" and "my theory". At this point in time, they still dont know what they are dealing with if they are still basing things off of theory. That whole sight would be under constant monitoring you would think, for him to say it built up over time just doesnt sound right. The build up would have shown up under monitoring. Its not like they go in once a month and take a reading and all of a sudden from one month to the next it has doubled. That is something that would set off alarm bells when it went from say, 5 to 6
 
Japan needs money to rebuild,

It would be an insult to them to host a world event during these times.





I could't agree more Shovelhead,

It was on the news here in england yesterday revisiting the coastline towns and villages.

The devastation is still there, and to make things worse thousands of people are still living in sportshalls with nothing more than a 1foot high cardboard divide between them and the family next to them. And to make things even worse these people who have lost everything STILL have to pay off their mortgages on their properties that were destroyed AND japans government have banned rebuilding on the areas because they now say its too dangerous and they want to prevent a repeat of the tragedy.

So how can we justify going to a sporting event whilst people are still living in these conditions?

I'd feel much better if all the teams & riders donated their earnings or what they would have spent to the japanese relief fund, Hell I'll send em the price of a weekend ticket too!

IMO this would do more good for the japanese nation whom we all owe so much to. Without them there would be no gp after all!
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One of my alltime favourite TV characters and lines

I spent hours on the floor lmao watching the old black and white episodes as a kid in the 60's. Being country just made it that much funnier, the little nuances that you could pick up on that probably flew right over city folks head. The early episodes are priceless where they are discovering the features of their new home, i would have tears rolling down my cheeks from laughing so hard.



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It was on the news here in england yesterday revisiting the coastline towns and villages.

The devastation is still there, and to make things worse thousands of people are still living in sportshalls with nothing more than a 1foot high cardboard divide between them and the family next to them. And to make things even worse these people who have lost everything STILL have to pay off their mortgages on their properties that were destroyed AND japans government have banned rebuilding on the areas because they now say its too dangerous and they want to prevent a repeat of the tragedy.

So how can we justify going to a sporting event whilst people are still living in these conditions?

I'd feel much better if all the teams & riders donated their earnings or what they would have spent to the japanese relief fund, Hell I'll send em the price of a weekend ticket too!

IMO this would do more good for the japanese nation whom we all owe so much to. Without them there would be no gp after all!
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Lil Red, your heart is in the right place. One of many things that impressed me about you. I for one thought every entertainment even would stop for a year after 911. But then I got to thinking, and I felt that moving on was not an insult, but rather a statement, that despite bad times, people can be resilient and still enjoy life. I don't see nothing wrong with holding a GP. If anything, I think the riders thumbing their nose at the event is an insult. But that's just my opinion on the matter.
 
It was on the news here in england yesterday revisiting the coastline towns and villages.

The devastation is still there, and to make things worse thousands of people are still living in sportshalls with nothing more than a 1foot high cardboard divide between them and the family next to them. And to make things even worse these people who have lost everything STILL have to pay off their mortgages on their properties that were destroyed AND japans government have banned rebuilding on the areas because they now say its too dangerous and they want to prevent a repeat of the tragedy.

So how can we justify going to a sporting event whilst people are still living in these conditions?

I'd feel much better if all the teams & riders donated their earnings or what they would have spent to the japanese relief fund, Hell I'll send em the price of a weekend ticket too!

IMO this would do more good for the japanese nation whom we all owe so much to. Without them there would be no gp after all!
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Lil Red, your heart is in the right place. One of many things that impressed me about you. I for one thought every entertainment even would stop for a year after 911. But then I got to thinking, and I felt that moving on was not an insult, but rather a statement, that despite bad times, people can be resilient and still enjoy life. I don't see nothing wrong with holding a GP. If anything, I think the riders thumbing their nose at the event is an insult. But that's just my opinion on the matter.
 
The danger to them of radiation emanating from fukushima 120km away at motegi is zero, unless they get someone to catch them fish to eat from fukushima bay , or go swimming there on the way there or back.



Would YOU bet your own life on that? I wouldnt. Its everybodys own desicion and I understand it completely!



you never know what the public is being told and what not. I wouldnt ride there if I was one of those guys...
 
Would YOU bet your own life on that? I wouldnt. Its everybodys own desicion and I understand it completely!



you never know what the public is being told and what not. I wouldnt ride there if I was one of those guys...

I have moderated my attitude somewhat since then. It is understandable that the inconsistency of the information coming out particularly from the japanese authorities is giving people pause, and I don't think the riders should be condemned out of hand.
 
Lil Red, your heart is in the right place. One of many things that impressed me about you. I for one thought every entertainment even would stop for a year after 911. But then I got to thinking, and I felt that moving on was not an insult, but rather a statement, that despite bad times, people can be resilient and still enjoy life. I don't see nothing wrong with holding a GP. If anything, I think the riders thumbing their nose at the event is an insult. But that's just my opinion on the matter.



Jumks,



I can see the comparison to the 911 tragedy but cannot really compare it to the tragedy in Japan,

Firstly 911 was isolated to an area in the city which caused mass devastation to the surrounding area but how much of the destruction was to peoples homes? From what I understand it was mainly offices an business that suffered the most. Please correct me if I'm wrong.But at least the american people still had the emergency services. Where as in japan it was the entire north coast that was devastated. families homes schools businesses everything was destroyed even the emergency services that would normally be helping was wiped out.



I'm sorry but I cannot justify going to japan to watch motorsport whilst these people are still living in sports halls and schools.

How much does it cost to host a gp? I dont know! but I do know the money would be better spent helping the people of Japan.



Ask yourself which is the biggest tragedy Japans devistated north coast or Japan NOT holding a gp.



I think that put a bit of clarity to my way of thinking.



However should the gp take place then I agree with you whole heartedly that riders not going would be a massive snub to the japanese people. But IMO the race should not take place.
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I'm sorry but I cannot justify going to japan to watch motorsport whilst these people are still living in sports halls and schools.

How much does it cost to host a gp? I dont know! but I do know the money would be better spent helping the people of Japan.



Wrong question: How much money does hosting a GP generate? And where does that money go? Who benefits?



Certainly, the hotels and restaurants around Mito benefit from having the teams stay there, as well as the fans (though numbers are likely to be low). When I go to a race, I spend money at hotels, restaurants, gas stations, occasionally local shops. I use my phone, which generates money for the local telecom providers. I spend money at the track itself, buying drinks and the occasional sandwich. The circuit itself employs a whole host of staff, most of whom live locally, to provide services to the people at the race.



It is a false dichotomy to say that the money spent on the race should go on the recovery effort. The money spent on the race will either be spent on the race, spent elsewhere or not spent at all. There is no guarantee that any of that money will go towards the rebuilding effort.If the race is not held, a lot of small local businesses will lose money, and with less income, the circuit may have to look at firing people, lowering local income even further.



The point is, not organizing the race has some huge downsides. Sure, people are still living in sports halls. But their situation will be completely unaffected, whether the race is held or not. It is completely irrelevant to their situation, the resources dedicated to the rebuilding effort will be completely unaffected by the fact of a MotoGP race. The race could even be of benefit to them, by bringing money into the local area.



Jumkie is completely right to raise 9/11, though as you rightly point out, these are two completely different events. The underlying point is, should all public life grind to a halt after such an event, until such time as the situation is remedied? And if it should, when should life start again? If the criteria is that no races should be held while people are homeless, we could never organize a race anywhere ever again: there are probably hundreds of thousands of homeless people in the US, maybe a hundred thousand in the UK, and similar figures throughout Europe. How can we organize a race when these people have no shelter?



There is definitely a debate to be held over the wisdom of holding a race at Motegi. There are real risks - though as far as I can make out, those risks are very small indeed. There are questions over how much a race would benefit the region - though again, only the current state of some coastal areas of Japan is being highlighted, not the potential economic benefits. But if the MotoGP race should be canceled, then the World Trials Championship round should be canceled too, and Indycar, and the round of the Japanese Superbike championship. What makes MotoGP unique in this respect?



And before anyone asks, I will be gambling my life on this, that is, if Lorenzo stumps up the cash to pay for my trip.
 
Wrong question: How much money does hosting a GP generate? And where does that money go? Who benefits?



Certainly, the hotels and restaurants around Mito benefit from having the teams stay there, as well as the fans (though numbers are likely to be low). When I go to a race, I spend money at hotels, restaurants, gas stations, occasionally local shops. I use my phone, which generates money for the local telecom providers. I spend money at the track itself, buying drinks and the occasional sandwich. The circuit itself employs a whole host of staff, most of whom live locally, to provide services to the people at the race.



It is a false dichotomy to say that the money spent on the race should go on the recovery effort. The money spent on the race will either be spent on the race, spent elsewhere or not spent at all. There is no guarantee that any of that money will go towards the rebuilding effort.If the race is not held, a lot of small local businesses will lose money, and with less income, the circuit may have to look at firing people, lowering local income even further.



The point is, not organizing the race has some huge downsides. Sure, people are still living in sports halls. But their situation will be completely unaffected, whether the race is held or not. It is completely irrelevant to their situation, the resources dedicated to the rebuilding effort will be completely unaffected by the fact of a MotoGP race. The race could even be of benefit to them, by bringing money into the local area.



Jumkie is completely right to raise 9/11, though as you rightly point out, these are two completely different events. The underlying point is, should all public life grind to a halt after such an event, until such time as the situation is remedied? And if it should, when should life start again? If the criteria is that no races should be held while people are homeless, we could never organize a race anywhere ever again: there are probably hundreds of thousands of homeless people in the US, maybe a hundred thousand in the UK, and similar figures throughout Europe. How can we organize a race when these people have no shelter?



There is definitely a debate to be held over the wisdom of holding a race at Motegi. There are real risks - though as far as I can make out, those risks are very small indeed. There are questions over how much a race would benefit the region - though again, only the current state of some coastal areas of Japan is being highlighted, not the potential economic benefits. But if the MotoGP race should be canceled, then the World Trials Championship round should be canceled too, and Indycar, and the round of the Japanese Superbike championship. What makes MotoGP unique in this respect?



And before anyone asks, I will be gambling my life on this, that is, if Lorenzo stumps up the cash to pay for my trip.

Surely the question of whether it is proper for the race to be held in view of the travails of the Japanese is one for the Japanese.
 
Surely the question of whether it is proper for the race to be held in view of the travails of the Japanese is one for the Japanese.



As soon as you have got an entire nation to agree on a subject - any nation, any subject - I'll nominate you for the Nobel Peace Prize.



The Japanese people in the paddock mostly want the race to happen. A few don't. Most of the people I hear from in Japan (mostly people who have some link to motorcycle racing, either as a fan or professionally) want the race to happen. A few don't. So that begs the question: which Japanese people are we going to ask?
 
As soon as you have got an entire nation to agree on a subject - any nation, any subject - I'll nominate you for the Nobel Peace Prize.



The Japanese people in the paddock mostly want the race to happen. A few don't. Most of the people I hear from in Japan (mostly people who have some link to motorcycle racing, either as a fan or professionally) want the race to happen. A few don't. So that begs the question: which Japanese people are we going to ask?



I meant some Japanese, in particular the ones who hold the race, rather than all Japanese. Obviously they should in no way be pressured to hold the race, but surely if they choose to hold it in the prevailing circumstances it is their choice, and they presumably would be more cognisant of community or government opposition than motogp fans continents away.
 

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