Stoner, Lorenzo and Pedrosa not going to Japan

Baffy said:

Why do i need pictures jumkie

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Cos jumkie is pissed I think?





PS can I borrow the pictures when you've finished with them ...... aside from Tequila like Jumkie obviously used, I think I will need help "getting it" too



I wouldn't worry about it too much, Jumkie is a keyboard king and right at the moment he is hosting an interface with many tribal keyboard kings from all over the world so he's out to impress ....... cos thats what he does

I think we can expect a number of "special posts" from Jumkie leading up to the ejacu. ..... I mean Laguna Seca race is finished.







Oh and Jumkie you are like LLoyd Bridges on a boat who is looking for things ....in the sea ...

You are more than welcome to borrow my pictures barry, hopefully jumkie draws us something amusing.

I was there when the earthquake & tsunami hit, I left a month later, Not because I was running away, visa expired, no job, no money.



On the TV I saw a lot of foreigners dropping everything and leaving, alot of my japanese friends felt anger towards these people, sure they understood why they were going, if they could some of them would leave too. But, there was very little solidarity, no sense of community. Something that is a fundametal aspect of Japanese society. I wanted to stay, yet couldnt, I felt ashamed as I left, although I had nothing to be ashamed about.



As stated above, the overpaid "sportmen" are turning their back on a nation that provides the bikes without which there would be no MotoGP. Also as stated, they are exposed to more radiation when they break a collar bone, ( seems to be the fashionable thing to do this season), and have to have an x-ray/scan.



If they want to support Japan, then donate their wages for that race to red cross japan, or go, race, and show that just cos its not in the news it hasnt been forgotten about.

It's a shame that this is even an issue.



There is a motorcycle Trials competition in a week or two, in MOTEGI.



If they don't race in Japan, the race in Motorland Aragon may be the last GP I watch.

baturro said:

It's a shame that this is even an issue.



There is a motorcycle Trials competition in a week or two, in MOTEGI.



If they don't race in Japan, the race in Motorland Aragon may be the last GP I watch.

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I take it you are going to the Japanese GP then?

Toby Moodys take on things



says it all really...

spooky said:

Toby Moodys take on things



says it all really...

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Well I was teetering on the fence on this whole thing, but that is the biggest load of journalistic clap trap!



He keeps saying that the doses are only as much as ....XXX "or" ,,,, YYY



but the reality is many of these guys get these doses cumulatively throughout the year.



In any case they are young men, many on the verge of producing offspring. They are perhaps more aware than most that many medical practices are not proven sciences but are statistical based to "black art" sorry folks just remember when the medicos were all saying how aluminium cooking pots were causing Alzheimer's .....



I myself would probably not go near Fukushima either. Hell they already take enough risks in their lives again further risks are likely cumulative not comparative.

Maybe they can wear lead suits & tin foil hat's. Strange decision (considering vague information we've received) by the riders can't imagine their employers being to happy. . .

BarryMachine said:

Well I was teetering on the fence on this whole thing, but that is the biggest load of journalistic clap trap!



He keeps saying that the doses are only as much as ....XXX "or" ,,,, YYY



but the reality is many of these guys get these doses cumulatively throughout the year.



In any case they are young men, many on the verge of producing offspring. They are perhaps more aware than most that many medical practices are not proven sciences but are statistical based to "black art" sorry folks just remember when the medicos were all saying how aluminium cooking pots were causing Alzheimer's .....



I myself would probably not go near Fukushima either. Hell they already take enough risks in their lives again further risks are likely cumulative not comparative.

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Barry, I have not criticised you till now.



You now enter the domain inhabited by Talpa, Nino and Evolution......a domain ruled by superstition ignorance and prejudice.



Don,t comment unless you know the facts.



Pov is attempting entry via the back door.......................

Have Dorna waived the fee they charge the circuit/country to host the event? Are the TV stations who make a profit from the event donating those profits? Just wondering if it is just the riders who 'MUST' support the cause or is everyone doing their bit.

Bunyip said:

Don,t comment unless you know the facts.

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And the facts are?



Lets get real here Buny ..... Fukushima has been a nuclear disaster zone.



Do you know the daily radiation readings for a few places around Motegi? Have there been any daily published charts or data ?





I don't ....... and I would not be happy with that unknown.



Nuclear "incidents" have been very misreported in the past ..... thats a fact I do know.

BarryMachine said:

And the facts are?



Lets get real here Buny ..... Fukushima has been a nuclear disaster zone.



Do you know the daily radiation readings for a few places around Motegi? Have there been any daily published charts or data ?





I don't ....... and I would not be happy with that unknown.

Nuclear "incidents" have been very misreported in the past ..... thats a fact I do know.

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Get educated! For starters , the inverse cube rule.........................

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez, as a species we are fecked! We criticise stoner and lorenzo for ignorance on radiation risks (valid criticism), but at the same time a large percentage don,t believe in climate change, or if they do don,t believe it,s primarily man-made in the recent time-line. Or if we even believe that, are too selfish to make changes that might reduce our weekly budget by a few percent, but that might actually deliver a partly habitable earth by 2100.



I repeat , we are fecked..............the problem begins with the Barrys and the Talpas , but moves past the Povols to the Michaeals, that have the information and the means to analyse, but still have fecking doubts. Easter Island gives us a hint of our future................... Lemmings off a cliff, thats what we are.







I give up....................everybody , go and ruin your grandkids future.....................................

Bunyip said:

the inverse cube rule.........................

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Educate me ....... what are you proposing that has to do with the Fukushima situation?



Not that it matters two hoots, luckily each of these riders are their own people and they have at their disposal to personally seek much more credible sources of intelligence than either you or I ..... or the sum of all of us powersliders.



The fact that so many of the riders are kicking up a stink suggests to me that there are still some pretty great "unknowns" that are causinga high degree of mistrust of Dorna on behalf of the riders ........ I personally am glad they seem to be not just following the will of Dorna especially when one considers that they may have motives that are not entirely unaffected by concerns other than fears for the riders health.

BarryMachine said:

Educate me ....... what are you proposing that has to do with the Fukushima situation?



Not that it matters two hoots, luckily each of these riders are their own people and they have at their disposal to personally seek much more credible sources of intelligence than either you or I ..... or the sum of all of us powersliders.



The fact that so many of the riders are kicking up a stink suggests to me that there are still some pretty great "unknowns" that are causinga high degree of mistrust of Dorna on behalf of the riders ........ I personally am glad they seem to be not just following the will of Dorna especially when one considers that they may have motives that are not entirely unaffected by concerns other than fears for the riders health.

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Are you talking about known unknowns or unknown unknowns??







Jeez, its a wonder you can make any decision about anything Barry, with all those unknowns.

Mssr. Moody should talk to his government - I swiped this from another forum:



The UK Foreign & Commonwealth Office is recommending UK citizen's not to go to Japan at present especially if near Fukushima (200km or less)



The track is 110km away.

BarryMachine said:

Do you know the daily radiation readings for a few places around Motegi? Have there been any daily published charts or data ?

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Here's a chart: http://safecast.org/drive/36/



It shows the area around Motegi is completely safe.

Bunyip said:

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez, as a species we are fecked! We criticise stoner and lorenzo for ignorance on radiation risks (valid criticism), but at the same time a large percentage don,t believe in climate change, or if they do don,t believe it,s primarily man-made in the recent time-line. Or if we even believe that, are too selfish to make changes that might reduce our weekly budget by a few percent, but that might actually deliver a partly habitable earth by 2100.



I repeat , we are fecked..............the problem begins with the Barrys and the Talpas , but moves past the Povols to the Michaeals, that have the information and the means to analyse, but still have fecking doubts. Easter Island gives us a hint of our future................... Lemmings off a cliff, thats what we are.







I give up....................everybody , go and ruin your grandkids future.....................................

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If the climate is changing more rapidly than it has in the past then this may both be man-made and a problem in terms of species adapting to climate change as they have in the past (or become extinct) in the case of previous non man-made climate change. I don't doubt local climate change being man-made as has apparently happened to south western western australia due to cutting down of trees ; some have also postulated that the sahara desert is man-made due to ancient unsustainable agricultural practices. It is hard to argue against povol that factors other than fossil fuel burning have been involved in climate change in the past though.



As I said previously I disagree with alan jones et al that CO2 is not a pollutant, I think that burning coal, and brown coal in particular, produces other pollutants, I think the acidification of the sea which even scientists who don't believe in climate change are concerned about is a worry ( I read somewhere recently admittedly not in a scientific article that the pH of the sea has dropped by 0.1 which given its volume is scary if explicable by basic chemistry) and I am in absolutely no doubt that our current use of fossil fuels is unsustainable whether or not it will kill us before we run out of the stuff.



You are correct about fukushima, and I actually do have some scientific expertise concerning the effects of radiation on human health. The linear no threshold hypothesis in regard to the effects of radiation has not been validated, and even if it is true worrying about a minor amount of radiation purely because its origin is the fukushima accident when we are all unavoidably exposed to orders of magnitude more from natural phenomena like cosmic rays, radon in rocks/bricks etc even apart from radiation from diagnostic imaging etc is nonsensical; in fact I would go so far as to say that way madness lies, a la howard hughes and his microbial obssession in later life. I do think there is some basis for concern about how extensive ground water contamination etc from the accident has been and whether the Japanese government initially under-reported both this and the severity of the accident, but whether there is significant contamination say of the water supply in motegi is easily measurable, and the riders don't have to eat local food or drink local water if they are worried. To make an irrevocable decision regardless of independent advice is ignorant dark ages/pre enlightenment thinking as you imply.

michaelm said:

To make an irrevocable decision regardless of independent advice is ignorant dark ages/pre enlightenment thinking as you imply.

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You don't think this smacks of Rog and his "I haven't seen the Doctors report!" do you?



You are making a very poor assumption here I think, that being the assumption that Lorenzo,Stoner, Rossi etc. etc. etc. have not sought independent advice for themselves.

Why? because they are just dumb motorbike racers? ??? I think you need to think again



I would suggest that they have sought much more specific advice than anybody who has made comments on the matter to date.



Most of these guys would be fairly "free agents" and with that comes a certain amount of calculated ignorance of "company" sponsored reporting, and a need to comprehensively deal with many matters to degrees some of us mere mortals will never even dream of.

Do you really see any of their legal or contractual representatives not advising them do seek independent advice? These guys are worth a few dollars I believe, I'm sure they'd somehow manage to pay out a few pence to have someone investigate the matter for them.



As somebody here has pointed out, some governments are even advising no travel in that area. I ask you does this have legal consequence for them? Insurance consequence?



Some of these guys have never touched a "joint", or rarely drink. I'm pretty sure that there would be pretty serious legal and contractual consequences if one was caught with one joint ............ and you want them to walk into a zone which has recently had a nuclear disaster?



( They can however do stupid speeds on a bike ..... but thats in there contract )



These proposals that the riders are being "ignorant" are amusing, to say the least.









Do you really believe they are that dumb?. ....... I'm shocked

Kropotkin said:

Here's a chart: http://safecast.org/drive/36/



It shows the area around Motegi is completely safe.

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Do you seriously want me to make a judgement on that?



Is that the only advice the riders have?



Would you issue that to the riders (or their representative/adviser) and expect them to go based on that alone?















Anyway its all early stages yet ......... I'm still half of the mind that the "no go" threat could possibly be a way of ensuring everything possible will be done so that if they do go, they will be safe.