Stoner, Lorenzo and Pedrosa not going to Japan
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Nah really thought, I may sound harsh, but I was typing this while laughing profusely, those guys are idiots if they think the radiation is an issue considering all the radiation they've exposed themselves too.
Anyway buddy, I didn't get to meet you at Silverstone, maybe some day at Laguna?
To get an idea of radiation levels:
Source: http://xkcd.com/radiation/
Which contains one of my favorite jokes:
This is the salient information. I would take issue with one thing on the chart; 100 mSv in a single exposure may increase cancer, it has not been shown that cumulative smaller exposures over a year to reach that dose do so.
Even apart from all the X-rays etc they have for all their broken bones as jumkie says, I trust none of the riders live in brick houses. The stand-out dose is 10 microSieverts an hour from the plane flight over, as I said orders of magnitude greater than anything they would be exposed to from fukushima. This is not how people think however, and there are many learned treatises about the quantum nature of risk, and how people ignore much more substantial risks in ordinary everyday life, let alone those associated with riding motorbikes at 300kmh, but worry about things like this. I have a mate in the car industry who tells me some people have been concerned about radiation in recently imported Japanese cars.
Even from chernobyl , with 25 years of follow-up data now available, the only cancer or other health effect (other than those blown up or the heroic plant and emergency workers who dealt with the aftermath of the accident, some of whom got very high radiation doses, enough to get acute radiation toxicity ) for the general public was an increase in thyroid cancer, a couple of hundred cases, mostly non-fatal and only in people under 25. The Japanese did better than the Russians with this, appropriately administering stable iodine to those potentially exposed to radiodine produced by the fukushima accident to block its uptake.
As I also said though, the Japanese government have reputedly not been entirely frank about the severity of the accident or the degree and extent of contamination local to Fukushima from long lived isotopes liked strontium and caesium and relatively short lived ones like radio-iodine, and so to a degree the Japanese government themselves have created suspicion. I wouldn't eat fish caught off the coast of Fukushima.
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I think if the Championship is still close we may see some "strike breakers" show up
Anyway they should hold a lightless night race there ...... the place must glow in the dark by now
Anyway they should hold a lightless night race there ...... the place must glow in the dark by now
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Topic title should be changed: Pedrosa did NOT say he wasn't going. He was non-committal and said the situation is unclear.
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I think if the Championship is still close we may see some "strike breakers" show up
Anyway they should hold a lightless night race there ...... the place must glow in the dark by now
Exactly, if Stoner is leading or trailing the championship by 5 points and Lorenzo announces he is going, you can bet Stoner will be on the plane to Japan. Just take your own water and food and everything should be ok. This made me remember a situation a few years ago in the CSS series i beleive, where the points leader led a mutiny against the safety of a certain track. Many riders joined him, except the guy running second in the championship. The leader of the mutiny was publicly flogged and fined by the series, and low and behold, a rider died in the race at the exacxt spot the riders said was stupid dangerous. One thing to keep in mind , the Japanese government has been less than trustworthy about the seriousness of this situation, and i seriously doubt Dorna has the riders best interest in mind when it comes to the show. If Casey feels that stronly against going, and is willing to throw away the championship and possibly his ride for his beleifs, more power to him. As time gets nearer for the race, hje will get "educated" and will be a happy participant.
For next year they should put Qatar after Japan, so the riders will glitter in the dark.
Funny, these guys ride the bikes above 300 km/h, brake some bones almost yearly, go under knives without hesitation, yet they are afraid for some small radiation.
I live at 300 miles from Cernobil, since it happened.
Funny, these guys ride the bikes above 300 km/h, brake some bones almost yearly, go under knives without hesitation, yet they are afraid for some small radiation.
I live at 300 miles from Cernobil, since it happened.
I guess Vale was right - these young riders are total .......
I guess he must be a "total pussie" as well.
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Nah really thought, I may sound harsh, but I was typing this while laughing profusely, those guys are idiots if they think the radiation is an issue considering all the radiation they've exposed themselves too.
Anyway buddy, I didn't get to meet you at Silverstone, maybe some day at Laguna?
That would be awesome, I'm hoping to do one of the mainland european rounds next season along with Silverstone and the year after that l've got my sights set on Laguna.
After reading all the rational and understanding posts - I LIKE THIS ONE BEST - Jumkie got it right - bunch of fxcking under advised hypocrites
I don't think we are in a position to critisize these guys level of support for Japan in these hard times, not directly at least. Many people say they support their countries military, but we don't mouth off and call them hyprocrites if they aren't on the front line with a gun. Besides the huge amount of public support and awareness raising these guys have done, many of them may have done things behind the scenes. Their refusal to ride is incredibly disrespectful to the motorcycle racing industry that has done so much for every single one of them in their chosen careers, but as far as supporting the people effected by the disaster, not riding a motorbike race is not the be all and end all. Having said that i do accept that it would be a positive thing, certainly compared to the negative publicity that will be generated amongst the people who take their position to be an educated one.
I don't support the boycott at all, and i'm not all that convinced it will go ahead. I think the riders are being ignorant and should think more carefully before making statements with such certainty. But i'm not going to judge any of them as people, especially not with regards to their level of support for Japan in this issue based on weather or not they're prepared to enter a race.
I don't support the boycott at all, and i'm not all that convinced it will go ahead. I think the riders are being ignorant and should think more carefully before making statements with such certainty. But i'm not going to judge any of them as people, especially not with regards to their level of support for Japan in this issue based on weather or not they're prepared to enter a race.
At least they could wait the independent assessment come out before they said they already decided not to go on public. It only gives negative publicity that Japan is still unsafe, damaging tourism. If the safety is cleared by the independent reports, Dorna has no choice but race the gp at Motegi. The world trials commissioned by FIM will race there next month. Dorna cannot say they do not go to the prompter just because some MotoGP riders do not want to go. If the race goes ahead, I think most riders eventually go. It is odd that the riders especially top two adamantly refuse to go while Indy racers and trials riders have not made a fuss about it.
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I guess Vale was right - these young riders are total .......
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Tom, I'm a bit confused by your post, you start off that we are not in a position to criticize but then assess that they are ignorant.
About their little sticker on the bike, you think it was their idea or some PR person? I seriously doubt the riders had a meeting and said, hey, lets show our support bla bla bla. That sticker is there and they are made to promote it by saying niceties when asked about it.
I think I'm in a position to criticize them, as radiation is not that complicated. When you go out on a walk today you will probably get radiation from the sun. (Oh, wait, ...., you live in England, probably not...
Sorry if i wasn't being totally clear. My point is that not riding in Japan doesn't necessarily negate the support the riders have given to Japan so far, nor does it mean they cannot continue to offer valuable support worthy of admiration. With that in mind, i think their decision is terrible.
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Why an 18th ?
