Silverstone GP 2013: RACE (spoilers)
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Jaz u gots to be kidding. Ok, I get that the 2 factory Jap bikes are gonna come in some 1-4 order, but whst that order might be is still interesting and if close, exciting. I sat up at 345am to watch, to find out Marc had almost decapitated several marshmallows and popped his arm out of socket. Then watched the start wondering if his arm would fall off given his crash happed at end of warm up. Then he hounds Jlo while Pedro looks like hes the one with the dislocated brain. Nicky and Dovi lock legs again (that means square off to fight...well im assuming from the live timing, not that they'd show us footage). Bautista trades blows with the guy hes attempted murder on twice this year, Crutchlow is on crash watch, as it could strike any minute... then the real drama started with an exchange of the lead in the penultimate and last lap. Jlo and Marc fearlessly putting their cocks on the line while Pedro leans back on his lazy boy eating popcorn at the action movie playing out in front of him. And this was boring to u? Haha check ur pulse bro.
Anyway, a few thoughts gentz. A few things that have changed with this formula: Now riders can make up time on the track to make up for mistakes, ala VR at Qatar ala Pedro today. The 800 style of wheels in perfect line is no longer the prescribed and only way to race (something I think MurderMarshal is capitalizing on). The fuel mapping is as much part of the strategy as is tire preservation, evidenced by VR making up time but running out of gas ala Qatar, as happened today.
Things that havent changed. Race directions decision are still based on mystery, smoke, mirrors, and appearances (Cals off had just happened and I suspect perhaps something was on the tarmac, as both went down in identical point). Ducati's front end still sucks. Pedro still sucks. (I can only imagine he would have sat out race had he dislocated his shoulder).
Anyway, a few thoughts gentz. A few things that have changed with this formula: Now riders can make up time on the track to make up for mistakes, ala VR at Qatar ala Pedro today. The 800 style of wheels in perfect line is no longer the prescribed and only way to race (something I think MurderMarshal is capitalizing on). The fuel mapping is as much part of the strategy as is tire preservation, evidenced by VR making up time but running out of gas ala Qatar, as happened today.
Things that havent changed. Race directions decision are still based on mystery, smoke, mirrors, and appearances (Cals off had just happened and I suspect perhaps something was on the tarmac, as both went down in identical point). Ducati's front end still sucks. Pedro still sucks. (I can only imagine he would have sat out race had he dislocated his shoulder).
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Just watched the race (I dont watch any live anymore) & was better than expected.
Jorge - well deserved, been riding the wheels off the bike for a few races now.......Can the title been stolen from Honda??
Marquez - Just what does it take to stop this kid.......Stoner??
Peddles - Proves that things are so tight now that you have to get away at the front.......... tyres??
Rossi - Another 4th, 1 sort Quali, 2 sort early race pace
I really think Yamaha have ...... themselves this season. The M1 has not been improved (save the launch control), while Honda have fixed the weak points that the RCV had thus now the evil H now hold pretty much all the cards
Power & straight line performance
Stability on the brakes & Corner Entry
Traction & acceleration on corner exit
Jorge cannot afford to have an RCV in front of him for long as he cant then utilize the M1's only advantage - Mid corner speed hence why he goes like a scolded cat from the start.
To me it seems they have made the bike so it is only fast enough to win by being ridden like Lorenzo, problem is the only rider that rides like Lorenzo is Lorenzo. Yeah sure there are times at certain tracks where over a lap or 2 Crutchlow & Rossi can get the bike round somewhere near the pace but thats it, the bike has kind of a niche now & it is hurting them badly.
I think Stoner & Marquez both proved that wheels in line is not the only way to get round fast.
I get the feeling the grit between Jorge & Marc is only going to get grittier as the season goes on & we may (Hopefully) get seasons to come of this rivalry, if so then maybe ill start watching properly again.
Side note to Dorna - .... YOU & ya spanish crybaby fuckers, Redding's going to kick your arse this season & next, even if you used your powers to get your own riders onto the better packages & leave riders who deserve it on merit to ride the also rans.
Just watched the race (I dont watch any live anymore) & was better than expected.
Jorge - well deserved, been riding the wheels off the bike for a few races now.......Can the title been stolen from Honda??
Marquez - Just what does it take to stop this kid.......Stoner??
Peddles - Proves that things are so tight now that you have to get away at the front.......... tyres??
Rossi - Another 4th, 1 sort Quali, 2 sort early race pace
I really think Yamaha have ...... themselves this season. The M1 has not been improved (save the launch control), while Honda have fixed the weak points that the RCV had thus now the evil H now hold pretty much all the cards
Power & straight line performance
Stability on the brakes & Corner Entry
Traction & acceleration on corner exit
Jorge cannot afford to have an RCV in front of him for long as he cant then utilize the M1's only advantage - Mid corner speed hence why he goes like a scolded cat from the start.
To me it seems they have made the bike so it is only fast enough to win by being ridden like Lorenzo, problem is the only rider that rides like Lorenzo is Lorenzo. Yeah sure there are times at certain tracks where over a lap or 2 Crutchlow & Rossi can get the bike round somewhere near the pace but thats it, the bike has kind of a niche now & it is hurting them badly.
I think Stoner & Marquez both proved that wheels in line is not the only way to get round fast.
I get the feeling the grit between Jorge & Marc is only going to get grittier as the season goes on & we may (Hopefully) get seasons to come of this rivalry, if so then maybe ill start watching properly again.
Side note to Dorna - .... YOU & ya spanish crybaby fuckers, Redding's going to kick your arse this season & next, even if you used your powers to get your own riders onto the better packages & leave riders who deserve it on merit to ride the also rans.
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Your Mom's House
Joined Oct 2006
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Your Mom's House
Actually, HRC should make Pedro relinquish his bike and give it to somebody with some fire and desire, like Redding.
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Good racing. Thanks mostly to Marc Marquez.
<span style="font-size:14px;Just imagine this season with Jollo just controlling Pedro and the occasional Crutchlow, with Rossi's ghost fading in the distance. Yawn.
<span style="font-size:14px;To be fair, we are also lucky to have Jorge Lorenzo, who is the only one to stand up to El Cabroncito - today he couldn't possibly allow himself to be beaten by a kid with a dislocated shoulder. And he fought brilliantly, like the proud man he is.
<span style="font-size:14px;But you could read in his face, with the joy of this hard-fought win, the worrying thought: if he can push me this hard when injured, what will I do when he's 100% fit again?
<span style="font-size:14px;We have a case of a really complete rider at the peak of his career (Lorenzo) against a new phenomenal talent (Marquez). A classic.
<span style="font-size:14px;Pedrosa is more and more depressed. Understandably.
<span style="font-size:14px;And of course, this was a typical Yamaha track... once.
<span style="font-size:14px;Just imagine this season with Jollo just controlling Pedro and the occasional Crutchlow, with Rossi's ghost fading in the distance. Yawn.
<span style="font-size:14px;To be fair, we are also lucky to have Jorge Lorenzo, who is the only one to stand up to El Cabroncito - today he couldn't possibly allow himself to be beaten by a kid with a dislocated shoulder. And he fought brilliantly, like the proud man he is.
<span style="font-size:14px;But you could read in his face, with the joy of this hard-fought win, the worrying thought: if he can push me this hard when injured, what will I do when he's 100% fit again?
<span style="font-size:14px;We have a case of a really complete rider at the peak of his career (Lorenzo) against a new phenomenal talent (Marquez). A classic.
<span style="font-size:14px;Pedrosa is more and more depressed. Understandably.
<span style="font-size:14px;And of course, this was a typical Yamaha track... once.
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Pigeon
To be honest, the Sunday day out is what Marques should have been doing under yellows at that point. I was busy watching CC and the marshalls trying to clear his bike so didn't see what speed Marques arrived into Vale at, but unless there was either fuel or water on the circuit (which would have evaporated by the time the marshalls spent time cleaning the affected area) from Pirro's crash, Marques should have slowed down. Smith went through just after CC and was quite circumspect. Thank .... that at least one of the marshalls was on the boil as I heard MM's bike go down and yelled "Oh ...." as I could see the trajectory was exactly the same as CC's and the marhalls were directly in the way.
Having watched the accident towards the end of Race 1 WSBK, it had the bikes on different trajectories despite the oil that caused it, but given the lines availble for Vale, I'd still say this was a possibility. Neither CC or MM were on cold tires, though the track/air temps were quite cold at the time and it seemed odd. Mind you, the Willarot crash shows MM can have brain fade, but then again, so can Dani Rivas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPx8aN6Ss90
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2 Guys pushing it to the limit - A Duc in the background on a Sunday day out
To be honest, the Sunday day out is what Marques should have been doing under yellows at that point. I was busy watching CC and the marshalls trying to clear his bike so didn't see what speed Marques arrived into Vale at, but unless there was either fuel or water on the circuit (which would have evaporated by the time the marshalls spent time cleaning the affected area) from Pirro's crash, Marques should have slowed down. Smith went through just after CC and was quite circumspect. Thank .... that at least one of the marshalls was on the boil as I heard MM's bike go down and yelled "Oh ...." as I could see the trajectory was exactly the same as CC's and the marhalls were directly in the way.
Having watched the accident towards the end of Race 1 WSBK, it had the bikes on different trajectories despite the oil that caused it, but given the lines availble for Vale, I'd still say this was a possibility. Neither CC or MM were on cold tires, though the track/air temps were quite cold at the time and it seemed odd. Mind you, the Willarot crash shows MM can have brain fade, but then again, so can Dani Rivas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPx8aN6Ss90
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What, only just enough to beat a guy with a dislocated (obviously re-seated) shoulder?? Hardly one I'd be writing home about.
Actually, beating any of the CRTs on Marques' bike and I'd be singing it from the roof tops, let alone writing home, but there ya go!
What, only just enough to beat a guy with a dislocated (obviously re-seated) shoulder?? Hardly one I'd be writing home about.
Actually, beating any of the CRTs on Marques' bike and I'd be singing it from the roof tops, let alone writing home, but there ya go!
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jazkat
Defo being at the race adds something, even if it's only sunburn (this year - I got very wet the last two years with everyone else) , but I think Jumkie has covered why you should have enjoyed it, even from your arm chair.
Maybe it's time to consider Marques as a new rider to follow - like me, you've been a Rossi fan for years - think yourself lucky that a new phenomenon has come along at about the right time! Your profile claims to like Lorenzo and Marques, so why not happy?
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ahh u was at the race? prob why u had a better experience that I did
much more exciting when u have the sounds and the crowds atmosphere
Defo being at the race adds something, even if it's only sunburn (this year - I got very wet the last two years with everyone else) , but I think Jumkie has covered why you should have enjoyed it, even from your arm chair.
Maybe it's time to consider Marques as a new rider to follow - like me, you've been a Rossi fan for years - think yourself lucky that a new phenomenon has come along at about the right time! Your profile claims to like Lorenzo and Marques, so why not happy?
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Jumkie
The rules state that you should slow down. But I've always thought of the yellow as a instruction to 'hold station'. But we all know that as long as you don't do anything stupid or obvious, penalties don't happen. Binning it during warm-up with the yellows out was both stupid and obvious.
Per my original post (where I asked if a yellow was thrown), I'm just relieved that that wasn't Marquez slapping into the M1.
Yellow Flag
Shown waved at each row of the starting grid, this flag indicates that the start of the race is delayed.
Shown waved at the flag marshal post, this flag indicates that there is a danger ahead. The riders must slow down and be prepared to stop. Overtaking is forbidden up until the point where the green flag is shown.
Any Infringement of this rule during a practice session will result in the cancellation of the time of the lap during which the infraction occurred.
In case of infringement of this rule during the race, the rider must go back the number of positions decided by the Race Direction. A board will be displayed for the rider on the finish line during a maximum of 5 laps. If the rider did not go back after the board has been presented 5 times, he will be penalized by a ride through.
In both cases, further penalties (such as penalty points - fine - suspension) may also be imposed.
If immediately after having overtaken, the rider realises that he did an infraction, he must raise his hand and let pass the rider(s) that he has overtaken. In this case, no penalty will be imposed.
The rules state that you should slow down. But I've always thought of the yellow as a instruction to 'hold station'. But we all know that as long as you don't do anything stupid or obvious, penalties don't happen. Binning it during warm-up with the yellows out was both stupid and obvious.
Per my original post (where I asked if a yellow was thrown), I'm just relieved that that wasn't Marquez slapping into the M1.
Yellow Flag
Shown waved at each row of the starting grid, this flag indicates that the start of the race is delayed.
Shown waved at the flag marshal post, this flag indicates that there is a danger ahead. The riders must slow down and be prepared to stop. Overtaking is forbidden up until the point where the green flag is shown.
Any Infringement of this rule during a practice session will result in the cancellation of the time of the lap during which the infraction occurred.
In case of infringement of this rule during the race, the rider must go back the number of positions decided by the Race Direction. A board will be displayed for the rider on the finish line during a maximum of 5 laps. If the rider did not go back after the board has been presented 5 times, he will be penalized by a ride through.
In both cases, further penalties (such as penalty points - fine - suspension) may also be imposed.
If immediately after having overtaken, the rider realises that he did an infraction, he must raise his hand and let pass the rider(s) that he has overtaken. In this case, no penalty will be imposed.
Pigeon
There is that yellow flag just as plain as day for everybody to see. For a moment I thought maybe they was waving it up in the Rossi fan section making it hard to pick up by the riders.
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2 Guys pushing it to the limit - A Duc in the background on a Sunday day out
There is that yellow flag just as plain as day for everybody to see. For a moment I thought maybe they was waving it up in the Rossi fan section making it hard to pick up by the riders.
Let me see - 8 corner workers doing the ambulance chase thing and all of them forgot to drag the protection barrier to the accident. Damn lazy sods over riding dornob's excellent training program for race marshals.
