Should Casey be punished

basspete said:

Stoner should be punished for being a greetin faced wee ...., never mind his outburst.



Pete

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You skotchies always sound so afeminite with your "hoot a toota wee wee" business ...... WTF does "greetin faced wee ...." mean?. sounds like something a girl would say whilst playing with her first Barbie doll



I can't tell if you are pro-Stoner or pro cabbage patch dolls ???

basspete said:

Stoner should be punished for being a greetin faced wee ...., never mind his outburst.



And who the feck thought it was a good idea to dig hopper up. He's still ......



Pete

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Where the .... have you been? - I sense this might have something to do with the Phoenix from the flame lazarus like return of Hopper.

BarryMachine said:

You skotchies always sound so afeminite with your "hoot a toota wee wee" business ...... WTF does "greetin faced wee ...." mean?. sounds like something a girl would say whilst playing with her first Barbie doll

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Thats a bit rich, most of you Kiwis are Scots or English with criminal ancestors Barry.



Ok, I'll add English subtitles "Casey is a .... who looks like he's going to burst into tears at any minute."



Is that better?



He also has a puss like a well skelped arse



Pete

Arrabbiata1 said:

Where the .... have you been? - I sense this might have something to do with the Phoenix from the flame lazarus like return of Hopper.

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Been lying low the last while, but like you say, with the return of hopper I had to come back!



Hows you?



Pete

Talpa said:

Had you read what I was reacting to instead of Jumping on to the only favor stoner stat bandwagon, you would see that Mickm stated 'Matching him for titles and beating him in race wins' which he has not done even since they've been competing together.



Speaking of Stats, if its reasonable to ask for a fair comparison based on Factory kit, then its only fair to ask a comparison based on same rubber too then, wouldn't you agree? Especially seeing as the BS rubber was so good it became the only rubber supplied. Have a look at those figures.....



The point is though, should riders be allowed to go unpunished for deliberately jumping the trackside barrier and geering at other competitors like Stoner did?



Have a good think about it, think about how you would react if Dani did it, and it was Casey who took him out and re-joined, or if it was Jorge......Of course you all would be calling for punishment or at least a warning. What if the example is now set, no punishment ensues and the next time this occurs the jilted rider decides to run out on track as well to really balk the other rider?

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I would get an urgent neurological review if I were you, for that memory loss and alexia you seem to have developed.We have discussed rossi's overall career record and the impossibility of stoner or anyone else matching it literally scores of times, and you know very well that I was referring to their career records against each other, where it is possible for stoner to match him for titles (2:1 to rossi presently) and surpass him for wins (26:24 to rossi currently) this year, but not to approach him for being higher placed over a season , this year or very likely ever, as we also discussed on a very recent thread. I have a high opinion of casey, but even I don't consider him capable of beating rossi in races or championships in which he did not compete.



If you know different you can correct me, but stoner's statement seemed to be "your ambition exceeded your talent" which from when I did english at school, long ago though that was, connotes the specific incident rather than "your ambition exceeds your talent" which would have the more general connotation, and apart from anything else is irrefutably correct about said incident.



My main argument since I got over my disappointment with the incident and its effect on his championship, considerably less than casey's must have been, is that he was entitled to be annoyed. Valentino has made countless and constant similar digs at stoner and others throughout his career, and I believe casey's comment may actually have been turning a previous rossi barb back on him; you are the one who needs to get over it. I have never said it was the witticism of the century, and it wouldn't have been when valentino said it either, although doubtless his delivery was superior.



I think and have said the marshall thing is a spurious non-issue, and have not called for any penalty on valentino. If stoner broke the rules by being trackside, fine him by all means; I would be rather surprised if they did in the overall context for reasons which are obvious to all except the most blinkered.



(EDIt briefly glanced at crashnet; talpa you are a paragon of impartiality).

Talpa said:

Had you read what I was reacting to instead of Jumping on to the only favor stoner stat bandwagon, you would see that Mickm stated 'Matching him for titles and beating him in race wins' which he has not done even since they've been competing together.



Actually this is what Michael said....



"he may still have a chance if rossi refrains from taking him out for the rest of the year, of matching him for tiles and surpassing him for race wins this year."



Which as he has clarified was in reference to the time that they have been competing against each other. This is a 100% accurate statement.



Speaking of Stats, if its reasonable to ask for a fair comparison based on Factory kit, then its only fair to ask a comparison based on same rubber too then, wouldn't you agree? Especially seeing as the BS rubber was so good it became the only rubber supplied. Have a look at those figures.....





Michellin were 2nd and 3rd the year Stoner won....hardly uncompetitive. And the reason we see BS rubber on everyones bikes now is because poor ol Vale and then later on Dani spent all year crying about it. Boo ....... hoo!





The point is though, should riders be allowed to go unpunished for deliberately jumping the trackside barrier and geering at other competitors like Stoner did?



I have already stated many times in other threads that if Stoner has broken a rule he should be punished....check out how I voted in the poll if you dont believe me.



Have a good think about it, think about how you would react if Dani did it, and it was Casey who took him out and re-joined, or if it was Jorge......Of course you all would be calling for punishment or at least a warning. What if the example is now set, no punishment ensues and the next time this occurs the jilted rider decides to run out on track as well to really balk the other rider?

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I would react in exactly the same way...unlike yourself who is a bona fide Stoner hater (you have admitted this many times) I dont hate any of these guys...I certainly dont like Valentinos methods as I have categorically stated since my first post here but at least I TRY to be objective. You on the other hand very rarely show any objectivity, lack critical observation skills, have little idea how to apply context to a debate, often dont comprehend simple plain english and have demonstrated very flawed logic in your arguments. And if all else fails you ususally just resort to abuse of the member you are arguing with....such as this gem aimed at my response to your first post "piss off and watch something else, you obviously can't handle racing. "



You make it too easy Talpa. It is like shooting fish in a barrell debating you....no fun at all!

basspete said:

Been lying low the last while, but like you say, with the return of hopper I had to come back!



Hows you?



Pete

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All the better given the return of everyone's favourite curmudgeonly Caledonian. Good to see you back Pete.

basspete said:

Thats a bit rich, most of you Kiwis are Scots or English with criminal ancestors Barry.



Ok, I'll add English subtitles "Casey is a .... who looks like he's going to burst into tears at any minute."



Is that better?



He also has a puss like a well skelped arse



Pete

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I'd love to be a Kiwi nice place





But on your nappy rant above ....... comeon ...... "...." ....... thats comicbook swearing





Are all the pommie schoolkid boppers back now ?

BarryMachine said:

I'd love to be a Kiwi

nice place

But on your nappy rant above ....... comeon ...... "...." ....... thats comicbook swearing

Are all the pommie schoolkid boppers back now ?

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dont be silly barry.... no one wants to be a kiwi, not even kiwis

Gaz said:

But he wasn't commenting on Rossi's 9 titles or his career long talent was he?



His comment was regarding that incident and it is clear that the ambition was greater than the talent in that incident.



But then, you will again see it differently









Gaz

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Of course haters will have that kind of narrow view of the comment.....



It was a silly remark.

digger said:

dont be silly barry.... no one wants to be a kiwi, not even kiwis

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alright let me put it this way .......... you get the choice to live in:



Kiwiland



or



Scotishland

What a jerk . Now I hope he'll fall off the bike every frickin race .Taken out by other riders preferably.

Jumkie said:

Check out Rob's take above, He's spun Rossi's comments into a compliment for Stoner.

Then grandstanding how Stoner's comments were so "disrespectful to the extremem". Wow. And he's tried to chastise people for being "dramatic"? Geez, this guy of all the crazies (and we got a bunch here) is the championship leader of crazy!

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Listen ....kie if you want a pic to satisfy your obsession then you need only ask.



Oh and good work taking out ay context, within which any prior comments may have been made by rossi.....its suits your little cause.

BarryMachine said:

alright let me put it this way .......... you get the choice to live in:



Kiwiland



or



Scotishland

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If your great grandad hadnae been a thief you might still have been in Scotland Barry..



Sorry for the playground swearing, I was trying to keep the words short so you kiwis would understand.



Pete

basspete said:

If your great grandad hadnae been a thief you might still have been in Scotland Barry..



Sorry for the playground swearing, I was trying to keep the words short so you kiwis would understand.



Pete

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Oops! forgot the



Pete



Keeps it nice and friendly

Talpa said:

And where have I ever objected to close racing? Or, like some, called for proper Race Etiquette

Had you been around last season after Germany you would have read posts of mine applauding Casey's last lap pass on Rossi, and mocking those who have constantly bagged Rossi for those exact kind of moves, who were, at the time, extremely hypocritically applauding Casey.



What if Stoner lost the front during this move took out Rossi and broke his other leg?

Quite possible last season.......could have happened-this is racing

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i believe casey did that partly due to the moves put on him by rossi. "that's racing, we'll see".



close racing is one thing. rossi just seems to have a habit of going over the top to make a move. most of the time it sticks, but it still puts the other rider in greater danger than necessary. i know you don't agree, and that's ok. it's part of what makes this board the way it is. the only thing that gets under my skin was/is the constant jabs at stoners abilities or lack thereof according to some rossi fans. its those fans that make the conversation annoying.



to answer your question; it's possible.



it seems to be the risks rossi is willing to take (on him and the ones he's racing).



here's my honest thoughts on rossi, and the reason why he races the way he does. it some what goes back to the film faster. dr costas saying how valentino is like a kid out on track. his heartbeat is the same, etc. i believe his flamboyance explains who he is on / off the track. while on the track, its a game to him, so he doesn't see anything wrong with his actions. to others, things are a bit more serious so they are not willing to take or make some of those moves due to 1)taking themselves out and hurting their chances in the championship 2) taking someone else out / hurthing them - which would make them feel like crap. i don't think rossi much cares

I said this thread was brilliant, as some had failed to see its genius (many of which took the bait and provided the deflection) but now its gone epic!

i agree jumkie. it was fishing at its greatest.

Burky said:

I agree with you in the most part. However, I think Moto GP as a whole has much more important things to look into and resolve than Stoner showing his frustrations.

I too hadn't seen this photograph until today. I have however seen footage of marshals favouring one rider over another, many of them heading back to their posts once Valentino was up and running. Stoner had to beckon them back!



I saw him 'give the fist' to the marshalls, quite rightly so. He must have been fuming.



Whether Rog is serious or not with the title of this thread, I'm not convinced. But what I do now see is that Moto GPs integrity has been dented by Rossi mania.

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I also agree with you in that although i am a fan of Rossi if i was in Stoners shoes i would have been pd too and would have demanded answers as to why he gets re-started again and i have to wait and then failt to get it going. It must have been on a level of frustration that we can only imagine.



Still, i think it will be a wicked season...watch this space!