Should Casey be punished
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Exactly Talpa.
So, let me ask you, do you believe the 'ambition' comment was with relation to the incident or the career?
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punish him for plagiarism.. if youre gonna be a smart-... make up your own ....
I believe it was the inevitable result of the digs and mind games they've both been playing since 2007. This incident just brought it out.
The comment could easily be taken in relation to the incident on the day or as a general overall dig at Rossi, as stoner also mentioned the shoulder it's easy for many to take it more generally, even Nick Harris said straight after he couldn't believe stoner had just said that to the nine time champion.
One things for sure, it's all very positive for the fans as no doubt both of them are going to double their efforts to win henceforth!
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Gaz's question was easy enough, though you failed to answer it. Have you been taking note from Rob on how to avoid easy questions?
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will throw up the whole Nine-Time-Champion thing - as if that somehow bolsters their argument.
If a nine time world champion ..... you over - the number of championships won doesn't make it all better like a kiss on the head
from the wish fairy.
As has been pointed out many times - the Nine Time World Champion should rightfully by way of his superior experience
and god-like abilities - not make incredibly bone-headed mistakes. The Nine Time World Champion - who you all look up
to so adoringly - and who should be revered in Pope-like fashion - should (since he is thought of as the one all the youths
of the world look to for moral guidance) be held to a higher standard.
But in point of fact - because he is The Nine Time World Champion - his most rabid fans always want to cut him slack as
if he were a drunken high-school buddy who's farted in church.
Please Note: This is not a "hater" post. It's not about Rossi. It's about your warped, fawning fan-girl perception of Rossi - as if he were Gandhi or Martin Luther King. He ain't. He's a very talented racer who has his share of normal human character defects. No more - no less.
Have you got a direct quote? All ive read is something along the lines of " caseys really fast, he's mad". Think the only place ive read about it was here on ps so some text may have been missing.
I actually said on this forum that it could be construed as partially a compliment, but in the formal (not machine) translation on the gp one site he did also say stoner makes the same mistakes over and over; I can't read italian. Whatever I claim for stoner doesn't include having much sense of humour, so I doubt he would have seen it as a compliment in any case.
I am just being mischievous here, but if anything this makes stoner's comment more apposite, seeing this is the second time rossi has made a mistake in an overtaking manouevre on him, having also overshot the first corner at qatar 2 weeks previously in addition, so casey could perhaps be seeing the same sort of pattern in rossi's riding that rossi sees in his. Even so he was fairly clearly (in australian idiom anyway) referring to the incident and not the career.
My problem is more with the extreme rossi fans than with rossi now anyway, given his subsequent fulsome apology on gpone.
Perhaps you could also tell me exactly why stoner should respect rossi, particularly since when he did clearly respect him, as he did throughout his entire championship year, it got him nowhere and he was certainly just as widely condemned by rossi fans. As we have discussed rossi is ahead in their career battle, but stoner had a chance, and may still have a chance if rossi refrains from taking him out for the rest of the year, of matching him for tiles and surpassing him for race wins this year. Whether or not rossi is to be admired for going for more audacious and harder passes than his competitors due to greater skill (and courage if you like), and when I am not annoyed I would probably agree he is to be admired for this, surely being prepared to lose control of his bike ie exceeding his skill level however high that may be, moves into the realm of being dangerous, and this seems to be what stoner's complaint (expressed fairly pithily) is, as well as perhaps saying that the playing field should be equal.
Huh?
Stoner still has a lot more highly successful years ahead of him to even come close.....
The rest of this argument is absurd, Of course Rossi is to be admired for his race craft, on 2 occasions in his Motogp Career of 10 years he has taken out another rider, not too bad from 170 odd races-most at the sharp end. Stoner himself came very close to doing the same thing on more than one occasion last year, Le mans in particular where he shaved Dani's rear tyre on his way to the sand trap, its nothing more than soar grapes.
I suggest you Stoner fans go and watch Time-trial sports like IOM and WRC, for your attitude reflects his. Your personal reactions to the incident on the night gave us all a true indication of your attitude towards Rossi. If he has taken out Aoyama it would have hardly been discussed. Backpedaling now and trying to pass off won't solve much.....
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Your lack of insight is astounding....michealm was obviously referring to the 800cc Wins/Titles...not overall Wins/Titles.
As for the rest of your post it doesnt even warrant a response. Pure drivel!
I was actually referring to 2006-2011, since I don't qualify or denigrate performances according to bike advantages etc.
I would have thought stoner is entitled to compare himself/judge rossi over the time they have actually raced, since it is rather difficult to compare anything else, and 5+ years is getting to be a fair sample size. Over that time rossi as I said has been better than him, but not to the worthy only to kiss the hem of his garment degree that talpa et al assume. Also over that time he has not even gone close to taking rossi out in an overtaking move or otherwise, whilst rossi has taken him out once and got very close to taking him out on another occasion, with the reaction of rossi fans of talpa's ilk unsurprisingly exactly the same when he actually succeeded in taking stoner out, having previously justified the laguna seca incident by saying it came off. If stoner is a villain because this has caused him him to lose trust in and respect for rossi, so be it.
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Fair enough...I stand corrected
Personally I think it is a fairer comparison to judge their results since Stoner has been on factory equipment as having a full factory supported ride obviously does have its advantages over a satellite ride....not only in equipment superiority but also technical support.
right so we are suppose to guess against your bias stats, Rossi was racing at the highest level when stoner was hoping to see a pubic folical development..... Yet to some there has been no time before Stoner
like I said piss off and watch something else, you obviously can't handle racing.
Regardless of how many titles valentino has won, stoner is entitled to try to beat him and succeed if he can, and to be annoyed if he is taken out by a stupid move, compounded in this case by it being unnecessary as opposed to the laguna seca move where the whole race and perhaps the championship depended on who came out of the corkscrew first, and rossi had put everything he had into every corner in a brilliant tactical race. On this occasion the race was not on the line, and the only championship on the line on current form was stoner's, but this apparently doesn't matter because you don't like him. As I have said previously there is virtually no chance of stoner performing well enough over his entire career to be regarded as rossi's peer or approach his total of premier class championships, but he has a fair chance of reducing the difference by one and improving his already not negligible status in the historical list of race winners this year if valentino refrains from taking him out for the rest of the season.
Rossi himself to his credit has now made a very unequivocal apology on gpone, where he has said he didn't really hear what stoner said but regardless of what he said it was all still his fault, and I now buy the embarassment explanation for the helmet thing.
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Exactly....so you can really only compare their records since they have been racing against each other. It isn't that hard to understand is it?
And it is in my opinion fairer to compare their results since they have both been on factory kit - wouldn't you agree?
So in the same way that 2 is greater than 1 in terms of world championships
24 is greater than 21 in terms of race wins...
and if you like to look at fastest laps and pole positions Stoner is ahead in this respect too.
So when you look at it this way their results are actually very close dont you think?
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Had you read what I was reacting to instead of Jumping on to the only favor stoner stat bandwagon, you would see that Mickm stated 'Matching him for titles and beating him in race wins' which he has not done even since they've been competing together.
Speaking of Stats, if its reasonable to ask for a fair comparison based on Factory kit, then its only fair to ask a comparison based on same rubber too then, wouldn't you agree? Especially seeing as the BS rubber was so good it became the only rubber supplied. Have a look at those figures.....
The point is though, should riders be allowed to go unpunished for deliberately jumping the trackside barrier and geering at other competitors like Stoner did?
Have a good think about it, think about how you would react if Dani did it, and it was Casey who took him out and re-joined, or if it was Jorge......Of course you all would be calling for punishment or at least a warning. What if the example is now set, no punishment ensues and the next time this occurs the jilted rider decides to run out on track as well to really balk the other rider?
And where have I ever objected to close racing? Or, like some, called for proper Race Etiquette
What if Stoner lost the front during this move took out Rossi and broke his other leg?
Quite possible last season.......could have happened-this is racing
