I said this thread was brilliant, as some had failed to see its genius (many of which took the bait and provided the deflection) but now its gone epic!
So true!! This thread is as pure as it gets!!
Should Casey be punished
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So true!! This thread is as pure as it gets!!
I also agree with you in that although i am a fan of Rossi if i was in Stoners shoes i would have been pd too and would have demanded answers as to why he gets re-started again and i have to wait and then failt to get it going. It must have been on a level of frustration that we can only imagine.
Still, i think it will be a wicked season...watch this space!
Why? It ain't like Rossi is ever going to be near Casey again this season. Unless something happens in practice and qualifying.
Come on Rossi..... hurry up and heal your shoulder so you can get another second off your times. Hahahahaha.
Sorry...for a second I thought there was an intelligent response....but no, it was simply..........................A ....!! Do the world a favour and sod off! Rossi kicked his arse and will again and the day he does the most annoying/amazing pass to win in a race whether it be now or 5 years from now will be the day i never leave you alone!!! I fight side by side your country men at times and they have more respect for those we open fire on, you could learn a thing or two and stop being an arsehole.
42 Commando Royal Marines - I equate Rossi to a training method.....Shoot on site and if you miss its not a crime but it is to not learn to hit the target, i guarantee you my friend he will hit the target once more!!
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Well maybe thats the personality trait that makes a multiple champion. Doohan wouldn't think twice about making a hard pass. Like rossi ,his focus was on winning.
Just to play the devil's advocate, I have to ask... what precisely do you reckon the other guys are focused on?
sure they want to win, but want has nothing to do with it !
Why bother doing it then? as you certainly aren't good at it.
How is it you're debating the point here at all?
Congratulations!! You've worked out I don't like Stoner- genius! Unlike many real haters here on the other side though, I don't call his talent for riding into question......and at least I've never hidden my honest POV to gain some sort of imaginary forum kudos, only to spew out my true feelings when push comes to shove! Unlike some....
I would like to see the rulebook on this matter, as I'm sure jumping the wall onto the grass trackside to geer another rider would have to be against some reg.
Why bother doing it then? as you certainly aren't good at it.
How is it you're debating the point here at all?From one who's preaching the finer points of debate, you've only succeeded in insulting me!! What argument are you making? The original remark was out of context and as like many Stoner fans do and not clarified. My point was, seeing as you missed it.....that fans can skew results in any particular way which sees their preference highlighted.
Congratulations!! You've worked out I don't like Stoner- genius! Unlike many real haters here on the other side though, I don't call his talent for riding into question......and at least I've never hidden my honest POV to gain some sort of imaginary forum kudos, only to spew out my true feelings when push comes to shove! Unlike some....
I would like to see the rulebook on this matter, as I'm sure jumping the wall onto the grass trackside to geer another rider would have to be against some reg.
Side by side matey
whilst you rather obviously point out, that CS could only achieve this if VR doesn't take him out anymore-like its a regular thing. And in the context of this particular debate, where VR's career is constantly being called into question you should be accurately explaining you stats, as many here can't remember a time before Stoner
Entitled to be annoyed, yes I agree, he was entitled to be annoyed. Does this give him a right the jump back over the fence trackside and geer at Rossi? No it doesn't-this is the point.
As for getting over it, well my POV has always been clear, yours however has had dramatic fluctuations recently. I suggest that you have very large issues with one Valentino Rossi.
whilst you rather obviously point out, that CS could only achieve this if VR doesn't take him out anymore-like its a regular thing. And in the context of this particular debate, where VR's career is constantly being called into question you should be accurately explaining you stats, as many here can't remember a time before Stoner
Entitled to be annoyed, yes I agree, he was entitled to be annoyed. Does this give him a right the jump back over the fence trackside and geer at Rossi? No it doesn't-this is the point.
As for getting over it, well my POV has always been clear, yours however has had dramatic fluctuations recently. I suggest that you have very large issues with one Valentino Rossi.
Good answer son
Forgive me, but aren't these guys out there to race each other at the highest level of motorcycle road-racing in the world? The idea of motorcycle racing is indeed dangerous, any rider who makes a pass on track is instantly putting themselves and the other rider in danger. The mark of a champion is not one of one of humility, let alone a multiple champion. I don't believe that any rider is concerned with the safety of the another rider when making a pass, they are concerned with beating the other rider and of course in preserving themselves whilst doing it, the danger to the other rider is often removed.
Watch some older racing, pre-800's, honestly-do yourself a favor buy a video pass visit the season's library.
Talps, is your problem that he jumped the fence back onto the grass verge, or is it that he jeered Rossi (in this case)?
And before you answer with a deflection I have stated my position already (and will repeat) which is that if Stoner's actions caused a yellow flag within the sector thence he should be punished (be that a fine, a reprimand etc). I do not think the action of 'clapping' as it were (or as you call it jeering) is deserving of a penalty, any actions there are for the individual riders not Race Control to determine.
By the way, as an FYI there is no specific mention of riders not being allowed to re-enter a live track precinct in the MA GCR's (although I do suspect that it would fall within or under another all descriptive issue)
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How is it you're debating the point here at all?From one who's preaching the finer points of debate, you've only succeeded in insulting me!! What argument are you making? The original remark was out of context and as like many Stoner fans do and not clarified. My point was, seeing as you missed it.....that fans can skew results in any particular way which sees their preference highlighted.
See... that's what some of us are talking about. You all seem to believe you can actually change results -
when in reality all you guys really skew is your perception of the results.
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It amazes me and others at times how some folks don't distinguish between hard racing and butt-headed wrecklessness.
The line dividing the two is not really all that thin.
One of the things that riders count on is a mutual commitment not to endanger each other needlessly..
All this crap about re-entering the track is pure speculation. Does anyone have proof he had actually gone behind the fence & then jumped back over. As the crash was on the outside of turn 1 & the photo if him clapping is on the inside of the track well after the exit of turn 1, more than likely after trying to restart the bike & not being able to for a period of time, then pushing the bike to safety on the inside of the track, Rossi had already completed his lap so Casey was applauding Rossi on such a quick lap just after his accident. As a lap is about 1.40 I don't think he had time to even leave the track before Rossi came back around making the arguement about re-entering the track mute.
The issue for me is bike control, not how hard or aggressive passes are. If someone is prepared to lose control of their bike to make a pass, that is when the other rider can't trust them enough to dice with them, as rossi correctly decided about elias. It is a big stretch to say that about rossi, who as we discussed at the time of the laguna seca incident has taken out less riders proportionally than any rider in history. He has lost control in a pass with stoner twice now though and this was likely forseeable in at least this incident, which to me is even more significant in view of his overall record, and certainly puts stoner at a disadvantage in future.
My main problem with this pass as opposed to the laguna seca thing is that while there everything was on the line for both riders, I still can't figure out why somebody of valentino's legendary coolness, to say nothing of his skill and experience felt the need to make such a pass at that time. I do now think that people were right and that stoner, while having a right to be annoyed, should have shut up about laguna seca as it was in the context of a magnificent battle where virtually every corner was being fiercely contested, with the championship on the line etc. But that he is still being criticised for being angered by this pass which valentino himself has freely admitted was an error of judgement, and that some even on here think that this was rossi "kicking stoner's ..." again or that stoner is just a "sore loser" as I have seen elsewhere beggars belief, and if a significant proportion of followers of the sport see this incident as a legitimate way to beat someone in a bike race then I think there is not much point following the sport, not that it would be a sport anymore if it was legitimate. I hasten to add that I am sure valentino would not see it as a legitimate way to beat stoner, nor obviously would he plan to do so in this way, and that once it had happened and both were uninjured there wasn't really anything else for him to do except continue the race.
whilst you rather obviously point out, that CS could only achieve this if VR doesn't take him out anymore-like its a regular thing. And in the context of this particular debate, where VR's career is constantly being called into question you should be accurately explaining you stats, as many here can't remember a time before Stoner
Entitled to be annoyed, yes I agree, he was entitled to be annoyed. Does this give him a right the jump back over the fence trackside and geer at Rossi? No it doesn't-this is the point.
As for getting over it, well my POV has always been clear, yours however has had dramatic fluctuations recently. I suggest that you have very large issues with one Valentino Rossi.
My position is also clear, I am a passionate stoner fan who tries to be fair about rossi. On this occasion I had a visceral reaction to the rider I support being torpedoed which is how I saw it live, as did the non-australian commentators if you were watching one hd, possibly to the great detriment of his championship in which he was looking to have quite a chance to vindicate himself and prove the criticisms of those of your ilk wrong. Childishly, I was quite looking forward to some having to eat their words, not that I had any intention of saying too much if he did succeed. I was also being sarcastic in saying as long as valentino doesn't keep taking him out as you well know.
The bottom line here is that you seem to be upset about stoner's dig than anything else; as roger says who cares what they say, it has always been part of the rich tapestry of the sport and something valentino has done as much if not more than anyone, usually with an uncommon degree of wit.
This whole rossi stoner is getting out of hand, and has the potential to cause total melt-down of the motogp blogosphere; I think poor decent david emmett fears for the future of his site. Unlike you I can see that both sides are to blame, including me on here in the last few days, and perhaps I should stop posting.
