Joined Jul 2015
812 Posts | 336+
Hurricane, WV
Has a season gone by in the last 10 years where DORNA haven't changed the rules?
We've had 990's to 800's, 800's to 1000's, rookies allowed on factory bike to rookies not being allowed on factory bikes to rookies being allowed on factory bikes, the control tyre, gradual lowering of the fuel capacity from 24 to 20 litres then back up to 22 litres, reducing the amount of engines factory teams are allowed, freezing engine development, the spec ECU, the CRT rule, the open class rule, the factory 2 rule, the merging them altogether rule...
Any I've missed feel free to add.
We've had 990's to 800's, 800's to 1000's, rookies allowed on factory bike to rookies not being allowed on factory bikes to rookies being allowed on factory bikes, the control tyre, gradual lowering of the fuel capacity from 24 to 20 litres then back up to 22 litres, reducing the amount of engines factory teams are allowed, freezing engine development, the spec ECU, the CRT rule, the open class rule, the factory 2 rule, the merging them altogether rule...
Any I've missed feel free to add.
Joined Apr 2015
6K Posts | 5K+
NJ
This continues to show the lack of feasibility of running a sport with one player getting preferential treatment as much as possible.
I've said in the past that anyone who is a fan of grand prix motorcycle racing first and foremost should be praying for Rossi to exit the sport at the end of 2016.
10 penalty points before a DQ is ludicrous as you know.
Dangerous riding has officially been given a green light with the combination of this, and the 3 points only for punting a rider off a bike during a race.
Joined Oct 2012
3K Posts | 725+
Crab Key
You expressed your enthusiaam for punting riders off (well, Rossi). What changed?
Joined Apr 2015
6K Posts | 5K+
NJ
There was context given to that statement when I said it, which was that he should be on the receiving end to see how he likes it. He thinks it's perfectly acceptable to kick someone off a bike, and the favor should be returned to him since he clearly had little regard for another rider's safety.
Joined Feb 2007
11K Posts | 2K+
Tennessee
Again, Dorna insists on operating in the gray. Why can't they simply have black and white rules. They want to leave everything to interpretation and that does nothing but open themselves up to scrutiny. Still to this moment, Marquez has done nothing illegal, has done nothing to bring the sport into disrepute yet they insist on including him and Lorenzo as reasons for new rules.
Partially in answer to JPS's preceding post, it is a little harder to figure this one, and whilst not an admirer of Dorna and their methods I can't see this rule as one designed for Rossi's benefit, given that MM and Lorenzo have shown a willingness to let go in regard to last year's end of season events go while Rossi has been the one continuing the war in interviews this year.
I don't think Dorna can make a workable rule for this in black, white , gray or any color.
Joined Feb 2007
11K Posts | 2K+
Tennessee
Maybe Dorna can't but I guarantee you I could. Leaving everything up to the interpretation panel opens up a never ending stream of possibilities for riders to exploit. They say they will punish you for bringing the sport into disrepute. Great, what is the ....... punishment. Will the punishment depend on who it is, what time of the year it is, how the championship standings will be affected, how the TV ratings will be affected. The fans need clarification and Dorna seems to be going out of its way to keep things as murky as they can. At this point, we as fans still cannot take any of thes new rules and say this is what the penalty would have been had these rules been in affect last year. Who does Dorna think brought the sport into disrepute . Was it Roosi for his accusations and actions, was it Lorenzo for saying the punishment was weak because it was Rossi, was it Marquez for doing nothing wrong. They need to come out and say what the infractions were and what the penalties will be in the future. That's black and white.
Joined Oct 2008
6K Posts | 5K+
In Cider
If that's the case. Casey Stoner and thousands of fans also brought the sport into disrepute.
It was Dorna who I said couldn't do it. You actually know very much more than Carmelo or Dorna do about bike racing.
I guess they could have specific rules about questioning steward's decisions or vilifying fellow riders. I imagine why they are tip-toeing is because they don't want to upset Valentino, but since he is the one who is likely to be intemperate and was the one likely to be so at the cancelled Valencia pre-race press conference the whole thing is futile imo. MM and JL seem capable of being instructed to shut up without rules of Byzantine complexity.
So I was totally wrong. Interesting that the Spanish fella managed to get a hold of a FIM press release two days before it was published.
Joined Feb 2007
11K Posts | 2K+
Tennessee
This is what I have a problem with
The Panel of Stewards will be known as the FIM MotoGP Stewards Panel and they will be responsible for deciding on penalties that are not considered to be matters of fact.
In other words, it doesn't matter if there is factual proof, if in our opinion Marquez was intending to hold up Rossi at PI and Sepang, or purposely didn't try to beat Lorenzo at Valencia, we now have the power to arbitrarily punish riders just because we can
The Panel of Stewards will be known as the FIM MotoGP Stewards Panel and they will be responsible for deciding on penalties that are not considered to be matters of fact.
In other words, it doesn't matter if there is factual proof, if in our opinion Marquez was intending to hold up Rossi at PI and Sepang, or purposely didn't try to beat Lorenzo at Valencia, we now have the power to arbitrarily punish riders just because we can
Joined Apr 2015
6K Posts | 5K+
NJ
Race Direction always had that power. There is no change there. By "matter of fact" they mean stuff like passing under yellow flags. Everything else is the irresponsible riding clause, and that is always a matter of interpretation.
Joined Feb 2007
11K Posts | 2K+
Tennessee
Like what other stuff besides passing under yellow. That's pretty much matter of fact when you have camera's from any angle to refer. What else happened in the last 3 races that wasnt matter of fact that spurred these new regulations.
Joined Feb 2007
11K Posts | 2K+
Tennessee
Nice article by Krop on rules changes. Unlike Oxley, he relieves Lorenzo from the fray, but is still quite harsh on Marquez who still to this day has done nothing wrong but race Rossi hard but fair. In fact, Marquez has been the bigger man than anyone involved in the incident. What has he done to be called a petulant child. His criticism of Dorna is to the point and warranted, they have created a clusterfuck of epic proportions.
https://m.motomatters.com/opinion/2016/03/04/editor_s_opinion_more_knee_jerk_rule_cha.html
https://m.motomatters.com/opinion/2016/03/04/editor_s_opinion_more_knee_jerk_rule_cha.html
Joined Oct 2008
6K Posts | 5K+
In Cider
I agree about Marquez, he has been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion.
If you look at his behaviour in the press conferences and the media, he has been nothing but professional and even for the sake of the sport, has offered to shake Rossi's hand and put it behind them.
What has Rossi done? Still, even as recently as the Yamaha launch, is ..... about Marquez, Lorenzo and how he in his oen mind got screwed over last year...and Dorna do nothing about it.
If you look at his behaviour in the press conferences and the media, he has been nothing but professional and even for the sake of the sport, has offered to shake Rossi's hand and put it behind them.
What has Rossi done? Still, even as recently as the Yamaha launch, is ..... about Marquez, Lorenzo and how he in his oen mind got screwed over last year...and Dorna do nothing about it.
I read Krops article as more aimed at the MM'holier than thou' attitude and approach more than anything he did or allegedly did on the track (ie. Krop does state that MM beat JL at PI, hardly someone working together etc)
I am guilty and admit it that I have no doubts that the two largest profile egos in the sport are running the sport at the moment and that it the way I see Krop's article. Aimed more at the ego's involved and their real (not perceived, but actual) power and the way in which they use it to their respective advantages.
I read the full article and quite enjoyed it as it is good to see some harsh criticism of team Rossi, Team Marquez, and in particular DORNA whilst alluding to the bullyboy relationships these riders have over their respective teams.
