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I was thinking last night I think I may have found some common ground. It looks like both sides feel this thing is a bit unjust, rigged, etc. I had this exact thought last night, "Jum if you think it's WWE why are you arguing it so much?" Kinda changed my perspective. For me I think it's time to just accept sport as it is and enjoy it for what I can get. I think it's all gone a bit crazy.
So the common ground: we all seem to think there is ........ at play, either way.
So on that note, why argue it so hard? Got this thought last night while formulating or trying to make rebuttals, thought I've gone a bit insane myself. Whatever happens at Valencia, one side is going to go ballistic. I might as well get myself to take on a bit of perspective. For me, I think I'm over it. I'm gonna try to enjoy what I used to love about it, the control of motorcycles with tremendous skill. I already know there are parity tiers, I also know there are politics. So it's time for me to accept it for what it is.
So the common ground: we all seem to think there is ........ at play, either way.
So on that note, why argue it so hard? Got this thought last night while formulating or trying to make rebuttals, thought I've gone a bit insane myself. Whatever happens at Valencia, one side is going to go ballistic. I might as well get myself to take on a bit of perspective. For me, I think I'm over it. I'm gonna try to enjoy what I used to love about it, the control of motorcycles with tremendous skill. I already know there are parity tiers, I also know there are politics. So it's time for me to accept it for what it is.
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Well no, but some of it's fun. Its half wind up half trying to argue, the wind up is entertaining but the rest is just elaborating on 'our' respective beliefs.
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It could also mean that Marquez was keeping Rossi in check till he burnt off some fuel and his front came in. You are allowed to control pace, why cant you get that through your head.
Curve, are you Pridmore
Have seen that very post elsewhere lol
We are haunting the other
So, as I asked some time back
To use your definition of fixing, any rider who allows another through may be involved in race fixing
To take that further, and rider who allows Rossi past this weekend will be castigated by yourself for Race fixing?
If a rider 'deliberately' slowing another is Race Fixing, did Lorenzo not try this in 2013 when he tried to slow the field for Rossi to catch up (no complaining or accusations then). Further, if a rider deliberately slowing the field or another rider constitutes fixing, thus by extension a rider allowing another rider through is also race fixing.
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A guy who was not in the NASCAR championship chase just blatantly took out the leader of the championship and leader of race. Both cars totaled He was pissed about being taken out a few weeks ago when leading a race that would have put him in the championship chase. He has been invited to the Nascar office. Lets see how they handle it.Cant black flag him, he is not in the title chase so points dont matter. What should they do. He happens to be my favorite driver, but in this case, he should be held out of the next race
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Reads like a long fan post to me, such as Jumkie and I would make but arguing the opposite position and with fewer actual arguments. Him being an ex-racer doesn't make logical flaws legitimate, and he appears to be arguing that events at Sepang validate Valentino's Thursday press conference claims, when in fact the comments themselves may well have precipitated those events.
Everyone is a fan, and has a position at least partly based on who they support as you have previously pointed out. Riders and ex-riders more eminent than he is have taken the opposite position.
I do take issue with the unwritten rule thing. It might apply to Michael Laverty in 18th place, but I am totally unaware of anyone previously suggesting that riders should not race for podium places in premier class GP bike racing, and in particular that factory Honda riders should not do so in respect of factory Yamaha riders. As I have said, I think there is fairly definitely an obligation not to take out a contender with a silly move, and in no way can MM be accused of risking that at PI which was the start of this circus.
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I think only the pope can help.Because we know Felipe VI of Spain will arrange it for Lorenzo
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Par for the course in NASCAR, it's been that way since the 50s.
You either like it or you don't.
Before someone jumps on me, keep in mind the Cup cars are some of the best designed cars with regards to safety on this planet. Witness Austin Dillon's shunt at Daytona in July when he went into the catch-fencing at 190MPH and walked away. You would not see that in any other race series. And when you are on motorcycles, engaging in contact has a far greater potential for serious, or fatal injury because there is no protection.
Today's situation also arose out of Matt Kenseth getting spun-out by Joey Logano in Kansas.
I think Kenseth should get a monetary fine, that's about it.
How on earth can anyone watch NASCAR? Now THIS is the WWE of motorsports. Leader approaches last corner final lap, guy behind in 2nd taps quarter panel, leader spins out crashes, guy in 2nd takes the checkered no penalty and perfectly acceptable. I remember going to the Nationwide races here in Montreal, this happened in every single race held here. Meathead racing for rubes.
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You left out that they drove in circles for over 7 hours just for this to happen.
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Yeah NASCAR has it's drama, but calling NASCAR the WWE of motorsports after what just happened in MotoGP is ignorant as it comes.
NASCAR is fine to watch.
I'm a racing fan though.
Not sure if you are.
Absolutely agree with you. And I have said elsewhere that everyone in the paddock, including Marquez, Lornezo and Dani, owe a debt of gratitude to VR for his role in developing the motogp brand.
Why? Because it's embarrassing to him and his supporters? An unbiased, detailed examination of the video shows that Rossi has a case to answer for at the very least.
Pure speculation, but ok, assuming you are right, what's your point here? The Marquez boy is mean coz he wants to play a mental game with Rossi? To soften him up for next year's campaign for example? To gain a psychological advantage? He played the game according to the rules and was given a clean slate. You and anyone else are free to determine how you feel about that, but it's not under the purview of RD.
How many times do we have to read this absurd non-argument? it's an oxymoron: if it's not written in the rules, then it's not a rule. These sort of things are about political capital which Marquez (assuming for a moment that your speculation is correct), having worked hard to accumulate, is free to spend down if he sees fit. Same for Rossi.
You must be a meathead and a rube. It IS the WWE of motorsports. I'm a racing fan too. Most of the drivers are complete disgraces, admitting to wrecking someone on purpose. NASCAR welcomes it, because most Americans watch NASCAR for the wrecks.
I happened to be on a patio having a beer this summer and this race was playing on one of the screens. I asked, why are people watching NASCAR? I was told Quebec's Tagliani was about to win an Xfinity race. But having watched NASCAR and knowing better, it was too good to be true. Tag passes him for the lead fair and square then gets punted off at the last corner. Have a look here, listen to the interview, no shame, no guilt, full tilt celebrations and has the audacity to say I had to cheat lol. Only meatheads, rubes, hillbillies and hayseeds watch this ........
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