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How steroids have impacted Marquez recovery almost 1 year later

misfit said:
These groups are as any society. Without law and order, there will be corruption and indiscipline. The only ones that thrive are moderated. There are rules against bad behaviour which are enforced.
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Race Direction hasn't figured out what rules to enforce regarding bad behavior in years. Probably should have done it back when the Rossi/Gibernau incident happened.
 
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Bern1 said:
I’ve been on discussion groups such as this for as long as I can remember. I can never remember this one as being more or less abusive than some of the other rooms I have frequented. I think it’s the nature of the internet (as mentioned in this thread), as well as the subject matter.

Though it’s hard to imagine a quilting or knitting forum getting out of hand for example.
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Ironically - when this forum was at it’s flamey-ist - was when it was moderated by the original owner. The presence of a moderator seemed to turn rage and resentment up a few notches, resulting in a slew of nonsensical whining about first amendment rights and the dignity of man, etc etc blah blah blah and torrents of abuse focused on the guy trying to be the grown-up in the room. Paranoia struck deep and the angriest of the bunch were always accusing others of being secret crypto moderators. Not our finest moment.
 
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misfit said:
These groups are as any society. Without law and order, there will be corruption and indiscipline. The only ones that thrive are moderated. There are rules against bad behaviour which are enforced.
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I think we’re doing okay. Here. Dave’s (Kropotkin) site is as politic as can be, but as much I really like Dave and miss his presence here, I do find the discussion there a tad milquetoast. Dave stopped posting here because the out of control, constant barrage of hostility heaped on him over a perceived quid pro quo relationship with Dorna (alleged to have rendered him incapable of an ivory tower degree of objectivity that would pass muster with certain members) was so brutal - he was having depression issues as a result.
 
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Bern1 said:
I’ve been on discussion groups such as this for as long as I can remember. I can never remember this one as being more or less abusive than some of the other rooms I have frequented. I think it’s the nature of the internet (as mentioned in this thread), as well as the subject matter.

Though it’s hard to imagine a quilting or knitting forum getting out of hand for example.
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I have seen vehement arguments and name calling in regard to differing opinions re the quality of cartridges for turntables on a hi-fi forum.
 
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michaelm said:
I have seen vehement arguments and name calling in regard to differing opinions re the quality of cartridges for turntables on a hi-fi forum.
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:p You’ll have to pry my KEFs from my cold dead hands MotherFischer.
 
michaelm said:
I have seen vehement arguments and name calling in regard to differing opinions re the quality of cartridges for turntables on a hi-fi forum.
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I've seen death threats and doxxing over differing opinions on a video game message board. People will fight over anything no matter how trivial in the grand scheme of life.
 
JPSLotus said:
I've seen death threats and doxxing over differing opinions on a video game message board. People will fight over anything no matter how trivial in the grand scheme of life.
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Absolutely. It's not only on message boards too. :confused:

Anyway, it helps tons once we acknowledge/engage the issue and furthermore, those few left behind will likely remain since their mettle has been tested with them coming out on the other side alive and kicking. Kudo's to the survivors .... PTSD and all. :p
 
JPSLotus said:
Race Direction hasn't figured out what rules to enforce regarding bad behavior in years. Probably should have done it back when the Rossi/Gibernau incident happened.
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Clearly defined rules are certainly a problem. I think they got it right with track limits warning. There is no grey area or vagueness.
 
p4p1 said:
Clearly defined rules are certainly a problem. I think they got it right with track limits warning. There is no grey area or vagueness.
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I prefer MotoGP to F1 in this regard.

Too many rules, too strictly enforced, becomes stifling and gets in the way of 'fierce' competition. There's bound to be contact with two riders in a dog-fight, vying for the same piece of track. One rider may 'punt' the other out of enthusiasm and tiny error, rather than through carelessness or malice. This is IMO, a grey area that aught to remain that way.

I appreciate the race stewards giving the benefit of the doubt in most instances.

In F1 things got pretty bad to the point where penalties were being given after the first corner. Eventually, sense prevailed and they've backed off a lot, leaving the drivers to race.
 
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JPSLotus said:
I've seen death threats and doxxing over differing opinions on a video game message board. People will fight over anything no matter how trivial in the grand scheme of life.
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There is a great book about that, the title is “War Is A force That Gives Us Meaning”.
 
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misfit said:
I prefer MotoGP to F1 in this regard.

Too many rules, too strictly enforced, becomes stifling and gets in the way of 'fierce' competition. There's bound to be contact with two riders in a dog-fight, vying for the same piece of track. One rider may 'punt' the other out of enthusiasm and tiny error, rather than through carelessness or malice. This is IMO, a grey area that aught to remain that way.

I appreciate the race stewards giving the benefit of the doubt in most instances.

In F1 things got pretty bad to the point where penalties were being given after the first corner. Eventually, sense prevailed and they've backed off a lot, leaving the drivers to race.
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F1's biggest issue are not enforcing or selective enforcing of track limits. Part of it is made worse by the runoff areas they've forced onto so many tracks for the FIA Grade 1 status.
 
Riders most likely are doing TRT. Any athlete quickly deplete his testo levels so they need for testo is bigger than an normal person.

But as far as I know, testosterone helps build bone mass, not the contrary. Maybe using steroids cause bone loss after ending a cycle (aprox. 2 months), where the testicles suffers some degree of atrophy and testo levels drops dramatically, urging the need for medications to stimulate the balls to produce more.

Anyway, I don't think this is MM case.
 
MM seems to be lost (multiple DNFs, mid-field results on a good day) without his steroids' ... and yes, facts are Steroids reduces bone mass:

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And yes, Rossi should retire, he's had a good run and it doesn't look like he's having much fun anymore.
 
robains said:
MM seems to be lost (multiple DNFs, mid-field results on a good day) without his steroids' ... and yes, facts are Steroids reduces bone mass:

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And yes, Rossi should retire, he's had a good run and it doesn't look like he's having much fun anymore.
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It's sad how easily people defame others who are more successful than them.
 
robains said:
MM seems to be lost (multiple DNFs, mid-field results on a good day) without his steroids' ... and yes, facts are Steroids reduces bone mass:
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There are two main types of steroids - Corticosteroids about which you provided that captured text, and anabolic steroids which athletes may use to enhance performance. Predisone is a corticosteroid. It is NOT a performance enhancing steroid and yes, it is associated with osteoporosis among other adverse effects, as a trade-off for its desired anti-inflammatory/immune modulating effects.
 
misfit said:
There are two main types of steroids - Corticosteroids about which you provided that captured text, and anabolic steroids which athletes may use to enhance performance. Predisone is a corticosteroid. It is NOT a performance enhancing steroid and yes, it is associated with osteoporosis among other adverse effects, as a trade-off for its desired anti-inflammatory/immune modulating effects.
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Mate,
This has been pointed out to him but the problem is that the subject of MM makes him appear to have the IQ of a potato.

Just logically, if what he was saying was correct then no athletes would use steroids long term simply because their bones would likely be unable to take the physicality of professional sports.
 
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