Here's a fun "what if". What if Lorenzo didn't save the front end on lap 3? National holiday in Italy?
Well, Well, Well-I'll echo Goatboys sentiment. And it seems as though the tumbleweeds are blowing through PS at present......not even a race thread? Oh yeah I forgot-no Casey
Race was a bit of a yawn, after all the drama of the start. Seems Karols dumping of Ducati certainly bit the whole field!
Anywho, one must first finish Dani, and its nothing but bad luck, just as Alvaro's torpedoed masterpiece at Assen was for Jorge. Yes Hector is a .... and that Ducati of his is a piece of .... that has no place on the grid.
The other ducati's, or at least one of them, looked like a completely different machine. I don't think one could put that display down to a lack of competitors, as Rossi beat Dovi, Bradl, Spies and Alvaro, most of which have been-especially Dovi- right up there. Rossi looked very strong and near one unpassable when Bradl was trying, and for the first 10 laps Jorge wasn't gapping at a great rate-what could have been for Ducati if they had delivered on these updates far earlier. I'm surprised. Good for both parties, and hopefully a strong end to the partnership may help clean off some of the slung .... from the past two years......
Otherwise Jorge was masterful, the crowd had the best day near on possible, and Marco would be smiling.........
Race was a bit of a yawn, after all the drama of the start. Seems Karols dumping of Ducati certainly bit the whole field!
Anywho, one must first finish Dani, and its nothing but bad luck, just as Alvaro's torpedoed masterpiece at Assen was for Jorge. Yes Hector is a .... and that Ducati of his is a piece of .... that has no place on the grid.
The other ducati's, or at least one of them, looked like a completely different machine. I don't think one could put that display down to a lack of competitors, as Rossi beat Dovi, Bradl, Spies and Alvaro, most of which have been-especially Dovi- right up there. Rossi looked very strong and near one unpassable when Bradl was trying, and for the first 10 laps Jorge wasn't gapping at a great rate-what could have been for Ducati if they had delivered on these updates far earlier. I'm surprised. Good for both parties, and hopefully a strong end to the partnership may help clean off some of the slung .... from the past two years......
Otherwise Jorge was masterful, the crowd had the best day near on possible, and Marco would be smiling.........
Rossi looked better but let's not get carried away. His second is more like a 4 or 5 possibly further.
Dani and Stoner are out of commission. That is two places.
Dovi, Spies did not have any real dry time to set up the bike. Rossi had a couple of days testing at Misano. Thus he had a great setting to start the race and a little bit of an advantage over the others.
I'm glad for his result but Aragon will be telling.
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Not to mention that Lorenzo did have to push. The gap could possibly larger.
Dani and Stoner are out of commission. That is two places.
Dovi, Spies did not have any real dry time to set up the bike. Rossi had a couple of days testing at Misano. Thus he had a great setting to start the race and a little bit of an advantage over the others.
I'm glad for his result but Aragon will be telling.
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Not to mention that Lorenzo did have to push. The gap could possibly larger.
Well, Well, Well-I'll echo Goatboys sentiment. And it seems as though the tumbleweeds are blowing through PS at present......not even a race thread? Oh yeah I forgot-no Casey
Race was a bit of a yawn, after all the drama of the start. Seems Karols dumping of Ducati certainly bit the whole field!
Anywho, one must first finish Dani, and its nothing but bad luck, just as Alvaro's torpedoed masterpiece at Assen was for Jorge. Yes Hector is a .... and that Ducati of his is a piece of .... that has no place on the grid.
The other ducati's, or at least one of them, looked like a completely different machine. I don't think one could put that display down to a lack of competitors, as Rossi beat Dovi, Bradl, Spies and Alvaro, most of which have been-especially Dovi- right up there. Rossi looked very strong and near one unpassable when Bradl was trying, and for the first 10 laps Jorge wasn't gapping at a great rate-what could have been for Ducati if they had delivered on these updates far earlier. I'm surprised. Good for both parties, and hopefully a strong end to the partnership may help clean off some of the slung .... from the past two years......
Otherwise Jorge was masterful, the crowd had the best day near on possible, and Marco would be smiling.........
That's also acknowledge the fact at one pont rossi put a lap time 0.4 secs faster than lorenzo during the race. Lorenzo did not ease off after dani fell either. He said in parc ferme that he missed that pit board telling him dani was out.
Well, Well, Well-I'll echo Goatboys sentiment. And it seems as though the tumbleweeds are blowing through PS at present......not even a race thread? Oh yeah I forgot-no Casey
So why didn't you start a race thread?
Good ride by rossi, it is as j4rno has predicted since it became apparent the ducati really was a pig last year, valentino will push if a podium is in prospect, as happened with his other second this year. Hard to know what overall progress has been made with the bike given nicky is injured ; he may have been closer to dovi et al if fit.
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Barbera can apologize all he wants, the vid tells a diff story. If he dont have enuf sense to see Dani ...... him, or if he just decided to cop the blame knowing dumb popular opinion would see it otherwise, makes no diff to me. Hell riders always see things a certain way, often well removed from the way the event played out, VR apologized to Stones fir Jerez, yet his fans still think VR didnt do anything wrong, that includes Stoner. The media and the general public regard VRs off course mistake at Laguna 08 as a legendary overtaking, Baustista thinks he did nothing wrong when he torpedoed 3 Ducs at Valencia last year, means nothing to me, as the video of the incidents tell a diff story. Hector is either smarter than we think, ur hes a spineless ........ Check the vid tho, Pedro came in way too hot, crossed Hectors line, ran wide and tipped in hard to compensate. His .... up and lucky the perpetrator got what he deserved, which isnt always the case. Its just too bad fir Hector and DePuniet that they had the bad luck of a man who was too desperate to gain position (how many a nincident has happened this way).
Yeah, like the stoner fans blaming rossi for the cork screw in 08. If you watch the lead up to that you will see stoners bike touch rossi on the blind approach to the cork screw. That pushed him slightly off line for the first apex and set up the chain of events.
Over to you michaelm, and i will except the blame for this one lol
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Its fitting this remain the race thread, think of it as a forum false start glitch to reflect the race.
Regarding VRs performance. Results often fool when taken at face value. Remind me how much set up time the grid got in FP1-2. That should tell u all u need to know regarding todays results. The Duc didnt magically spring ahead, but rather VR had a race setting that nobody else got thanx to a previous test. What do u suppose will be a podium chance fir a Duc in next even if all 3 days are dry? Oh, and dont let the gap to JLo fool u either, as it appears it has others, what was the pitboard signal message after lap one for the leader?
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This is racing.
Which is what Hector should have said today if he had a fraction of VR audacity. One thing i gotta bow to VR, he is a pimp.
As Lorenzo stated in parc ferme, he could not read his pit board. You are correct about Ducati having the extra track time due to testing. That just shows the hard work being done at ducati and that they benefit from extra time to figure out the bike. These tests were within the rules so totally fair. Fair play to them for spending their time wisely and getting a result.
The cause of dani's misfortunes in this race was obvious roger as I posted at the time, the jumkie curse, and I have had no part in recriminations against barbera.
I was very well behaved and didn't mention any 2005 and 2008 incidents after stoner's rough pass on bautista, since I thought he deserved criticism particularly after his sanctimony regarding robust riding by others, and the close juxtaposition with the petrucci practice incident, but since you bring it up what do you think would have happened in 2008 or 2005 if stoner or giveupnow had exercised their rights, which were at least equal to bautista's, to hold their lines? I have never said that the laguna seca corkscrew thing was dirty riding anyway (it was a mistake, which he obviously did remarkably well to mostly save), just that it was understandable that stoner was pissed off since he was nearly taken out. You were there and I was not, but from the video evidence I have seen it all started when rossi moved across and squeezed stoner who was right on the inside margin of the track at the apex of a preceding corner. That they were in such close proximity would seem unlikely to be due to stoner's volition alone in any case.
Take your facts and get the hell out !!
JL Also said at one point he was concerned looking at his pit boad that Rossi was gaining.
Was it going to happen? Probably not, but 4-5 seconds behind is miles better than the 30-50 we've seen in the past two years.
Typical racing incident when one guy doesn't yield or in this case can't yield, Barbera said he was on the brakes but it wasn't enough so he was in fact giving Pedro the space. Was he spooked, does he have enough skill, should the bike of had the ability to brake enough? We will never know, but we do know he was on the brakes and trying to give up the space. His reaction after getting up was one of my bad not wtf you cut me off.
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Fair enuf. Certainly not the torpedo by Hector as some may describe it. Pedro got in a very tight space, that im not convinced really existed, as Hector tried to create that space for Pedro as u say. I think its a bit lazy for peeps to surmise that if u get hit from behind it must be proof positive it was the rear ride'rs fault. Most of the time it is, but if thats the standard, then Pedro might want to revisit his incident on Simoncelli that caused himself injury.
Here is my advice to Pedro. Send Nicky some flowers. Then ask him to describe in detail how he got over the incident when Pedro torpedoed him in the mist of a title chase. Clearly, Pedro has much more of a chance to catch up the next 5 races. Best bike on grid. Tracks that favor him and his machine. Casey poised to return and create space between him and Lorenzo. And according to some, an improved podium worthy Ducati.... ...., if anything, this might turn out to be a good thing for Pedro as it will require him to dig deep. Surely, Nicky could give him some great advice in that regard.
Good race from Ducati & Rossi. Will be interesting to see if the new parts perform as well in the coming races. Lets hope so. Nicky should have another 2 weeks to get the hand feeling better.
Sucks for Dani, but it seems his team has a little to be responsible for, as well as himself & Barbera.
Good ride from Bautista as well. Dovi was as consistent as always but I'm sure he thought 3rd was there for the taking..
Nicky's was a good effort considering he had trouble pulling the bike up. Spies - Well at least nothing fell off or exploded on his bike.
Fair first race from Rea. Probably did better than I thought he would but still a long way from the winner.
Lorenzo - Did as he pleased really. The championship is his for the taking. Been super strong all year. Terrific rider.
Crt's I'm sure there were some good rides down the grid but personally I don't give a .....
Sucks for Dani, but it seems his team has a little to be responsible for, as well as himself & Barbera.
Good ride from Bautista as well. Dovi was as consistent as always but I'm sure he thought 3rd was there for the taking..
Nicky's was a good effort considering he had trouble pulling the bike up. Spies - Well at least nothing fell off or exploded on his bike.
Fair first race from Rea. Probably did better than I thought he would but still a long way from the winner.
Lorenzo - Did as he pleased really. The championship is his for the taking. Been super strong all year. Terrific rider.
Crt's I'm sure there were some good rides down the grid but personally I don't give a .....
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Friz, good post, as usual.
Btw, i just watched that false start. Even though i knew how it would end, i still cringed. Man, that could have been a real disaster. Spies had to avoid Lorenzo. It could have all ended so very badly. At the end of the day, everybody walked away uninjured, Pedro, and everybody else. I may not be sending him a Xmas card, but honestly, im glad he or anybody else did not get hurt today.
On an unrealated note, Moto2 was an awesome race.
