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ASSEN GP: Predict, Practice, Qual

Frizzle said:
Are you trying to say that without pulling their factory team they would not have spent anything on developing their new superbike?

If you aren't then your point is again moot, because those costs are already there. Those sponsors (marlboro included) were already there.



It's not a hard question.

If any other rider was riding the factory Motogp bike, would the superbike factory team have still been closed down? No way IMO.

Would the parts being thrown at the Ducati right now still have been thrown at it without Rossi? I'm not talking about next years parts, I'm talking about the fact that they have already provided a new chassis & a new engine before the choice to use next years bike. Last year despite all the front end losses attributed to all the Ducati riders, Stoner said he was given 2009 forks to fix the problem. So do you think Ducati have given the same level of commitment to Stoner, Hayden, Capirossi & Melandri than they are right now to Rossi?
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I don't see where I've even implied such a theory. They're still developing this year's Superbike, and next year's. That was always going to be the case. My argument has never had anything to do with their involvement in MotoGP. My opinion is that they've put considerably more effort and funds into MotoGP this season. I imagine that has to do with the amount of sponsorship coming in because of Rossi and the added pressure of having him in any team. However, I believe that is largely independent of any World Superbike decision. The point has been made time and again, one in which I think is probably pretty accurate, that sponsorship money covers the cost of logistics for their World Superbike effort. Pulling out hasn't really saved them any money, in my opinion, just a headache.
 
Austin said:
I don't see where I've even implied such a theory. They're still developing this year's Superbike, and next year's. That was always going to be the case. My argument has never had anything to do with their involvement in MotoGP. My opinion is that they've put considerably more effort and funds into MotoGP this season. I imagine that has to do with the amount of sponsorship coming in because of Rossi and the added pressure of having him in any team. However, I believe that is largely independent of any World Superbike decision. The point has been made time and again, one in which I think is probably pretty accurate, that sponsorship money covers the cost of logistics for their World Superbike effort. Pulling out hasn't really saved them any money, in my opinion, just a headache.
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With all due respect Austin, I disagree.

Sponsorship would not cover logistics, rider wages, mechanics wages, Motorhomes, Catering for all their staff & guests. Support staff etc.

If it did then all the manufacturers would be involved. It's expensive to be involved

Pulling out hasn't saved them any money because they are no doubt pouring it elsewhere. We agree to disagree. That's fine.
 
Frizzle said:
With all due respect Austin, I disagree.

Sponsorship would not cover logistics, rider wages, mechanics wages, Motorhomes, Catering for all their staff & guests. Support staff etc.

If it did then all the manufacturers would be involved. It's expensive to be involved

Pulling out hasn't saved them any money because they are no doubt pouring it elsewhere. We agree to disagree. That's fine.
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Fair enough.
 
Frizzle said:
In other words all this best development rider argument is absolute total crap.
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Nah, I wouldn't go that far my friend. Its not crap buddy, there is validity in the notion that he's a great developer. The situation had developed radically (allegedly). The state of affairs has developed into a condition where the manufacture has pulled out of every corner of the planet (allegedly), having test riders and engineers work around the clock for months, inside and outside the testing convention, which includes sacking his teammate legitimacy as an authentic competitor in the series, then go beyond the “gentlemen's agreements” (a condition that was already beyond the test ban) and circumvent further the ‘spirit’ of the test ban by technicalities or lack there of in the rules (making the most convoluted of lawyer arguments seem like the Word-of-God) while the governing body turns a blind eye; all the while this developer has been presented with multiple solutions (some actually scrapped before tried), even to the point of declaring that a completely new bike has been produced not at the end or mid season, put in the first third of the season. Btw, I realize peeps would be tempted into thinking that new solution chassis is all his doing as a great developer and all, but the fact is, that part of the development was actually happening before said developer was actually signed. So I think we can dispel with the ‘great developer’ notion, he is more than that, he’s the GOAT of developing, as he even developed for problems even before they were known to him, and all it took course was a little tiny itty bitty bit of help from…well, heaven and Earth.
 

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