San Marco SIC Marino GP: Prediction, Practice, Qual - WARNING THIS THREAD MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS, WHO

[Goatboy]

Meltdown

 

[bluegreen]

I'm just picturing Jumkie laughing maniacally as he types up these posts. I bet he's having more fun with this than anybody.



FWIW

You finish where you finish, I'm sure '06 Hayden and Sunday's Rossi would agree.



And



That crash was The Green Scourge's fault.

 

[Jumkie]

I'm not disagreeing with the circumstances, they are factual. I am also not pretending that there is not a connection between these circumstances and the result. My objection is that the principles that you have preached for years regarding Nicky's title seem to have been abandoned now that it suits you. This place has made you bitter man.

You are either confused Tom, making an ignorant point, or worse. You are miss applying what you construe as "principle". You now concede that the "circumstance" for VRs result was "factual"? Hahaha, make up your mind dude. You took issue with me telling Goaty that VRs result was a “gift of ‘circumstance.’” Maybe you just were lazy and didn't read the context and just haphazardly jumped into the conversation by jumping all over the unique "circumstance" part of the statement, not understanding that the weather and the test resulting in a rare anomaly for this event certainly aided VRs result (...., many “experts” in the media have mentioned this). Again, a very good explanation as to why VR had a good race pace can be understood if you realize they had just finished a test on this track while the weather basically eliminated valuable set up time for the rest of the grid. Lets do this by the numbers so you don't get further confused. The 06 season, which you are ridiculously trying to apply here, was over an entire season. The point that you missed is, the Ducati is not suddenly a podium bike, and VR did not suddenly find some magical performance. Can you see the difference?



I sound be bitter, so I'll try to improve this by deploying emoticons.

You sound dumb, what are you going to do?







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I know we often don't see eye to eye on borderline incidents and controversies, but this is not one of them, not even close. This is clear as day to quite literally everyone except you. I know that you don't like Dani but you are just kidding yourself. In fact I'm not even convinced that you honestly believe it yourself, that a rider clearly ahead of another is at fault for being tagged from behind while taking the racing line

Tell that to Pedro. Or did he revise his blame on Sic?[/background][/font]

 

[basspete]

A race only a Bopper could love. Ugh...



I've only seen this one angle of the Peddles crash. It's hard to see much from this camera, but Dani may have turned in just a little. It still looks to me to be 80+% HB's fault. We really need an HB on board, or rear view from the Pedrocycle.

http://dl.dropbox.co...92457/Crash.mp4



Here's a short clip of Repsol's Chinese Fire Drill.

http://dl.dropbox.co...092457/tire.mp4



Crutchlow = the new Hopper?

Spies is the new Hopper, but with extra shiteness.

 

[chopperman]

You are either confused Tom, making a ignorant point, or worse. You are miss apply what you construe as principle. You took issue with me telling Goaty that VRs result was a “gift of ‘circumstance.’” Maybe you just were lazy and didn't read the context and just haphazardly jumped into the conversation by jumping all over the unique "circumstance" part of the statement, not understanding that the weather and the test resulting in a rare anomaly for this event certainly aided VRs result (...., many “experts” in the media have mentioned this). Again, a very good explanation as to why VR had a good race pace can be understood if you realize they had just finished a test on this track while the weather basically eliminated valuable set up time for the rest of the grid. Lets do this by the numbers so you don't get further confused. The 06 season, which you are ridiculously trying to apply here, was over an entire season. The point that you missed is, the Ducati is not suddenly a podium bike, and VR did not suddenly find some magical performance. Can you see the difference?



I sound be bitter, so I'll try to improve this by deploying emoticons.

You sound dumb, what are you going to do?











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Even if Rossi's 2nd was gifted by dani having to start at the back then crashing out, i am sure his pace still would have seen him on the podium. Agree ??

 

[Jumkie]

Even if Rossi's 2nd was gifted by dani having to start at the back then crashing out, i am sure his pace still would have seen him on the podium. Agree ??

Of course, I told your boy Kesh as much.

Then see the rest of my reply to him.

The key is that VR had extra set up time. It was just circumstance of the test and the weather coupled together that resulted in an unforseen advantage for VR. Hey, for all I know, it could have been Marco helping him from above. I'm just explaining why his pace was so much better than everybody else who normally is ahead.

 

[Jumkie]

Spies is the new Hopper, but with extra shiteness.

Harsh

 

[chopperman]

Of course, I told your boy Kesh as much.

Then see the rest of my reply to him.

The key is that VR had extra set up time. It was just circumstance of the test and the weather coupled together that resulted in an unforseen advantage for VR. Hey, for all I know, it could have been Marco helping him from above. I'm just explaining why his pace was so much better than everybody else who normally is ahead.

Yes and this is the part that confuses me about you opinion of this race

But lets not pretend there were not 4 riders that under normal circumstances, would have been ahead of him.

Then you go on to imply Rossi had an advantage due to the testing they had there prior to the race. So which is it, testing advantage to get a great set up or riders not entering or finishing the race? Look at the lap times, that should give you a clue.



You have to be in it to win it compa !

 

[basspete]

Harsh

But true

 

[michaelm]

I have only seen the replay posted on this thread as I missed the first lap live, but on what I have seen I am with angel. I think it is possible both that barbera missed his braking point and that starting at the back of the grid meant dani was racing against a rider of lesser skill than is usually the case as migsangel says, and that he was unwise to be pushing hard so early having been spooked by the false start and grid relegation etc as jumkie says. It would seem unlikely that he could have beaten lorenzo whatever he had done, and likely he could have finished 3rd and still had an intact title bid without trying to pass everyone in the first corner.

 

[digger]

Yes and this is the part that confuses me about you opinion of this race







Then you go on to imply Rossi had an advantage due to the testing they had there prior to the race. So which is it, testing advantage to get a great set up or riders not entering or finishing the race? Look at the lap times, that should give you a clue.



You have to be in it to win it compa !

Check out the race times from last year compared with the past weekend. Everyone improved marginally except the Ducati, which improved feckin HEAPS. I don't doubt that their testing helped them out over the weekend, but I think they have found something. I doubt if they all had similar setup times that the others would have improved as much as Ducati.



That said, school still isn't out on whether it's podium worthy or not, especially since the other teams just tested at Aragon and will have setup advantages........

 

[birdman]

Prezi isnt getting much of a mention. He was pushed under a bus, offered to fall on his samurai sword, swallowed his pride many times over the last two years and has not blamed Rossi once as far as I remember. It would be a fitting end if the Ducati did finally become competitive enabling him to keep his job.

 

[chopperman]

Check out the race times from last year compared with the past weekend. Everyone improved marginally except the Ducati, which improved feckin HEAPS. I don't doubt that their testing helped them out over the weekend, but I think they have found something. I doubt if they all had similar setup times that the others would have improved as much as Ducati.



That said, school still isn't out on whether it's podium worthy or not, especially since the other teams just tested at Aragon and will have setup advantages........

Aragon will be an interesting race for sure.

If rossi gets in the top 4 and his lap times are as close to the leaders as with this race then yes, ducati have found something. If its back to 30-40 secs behind then it was just a glitch caused by what ever. I am hoping its the former.

 

[digger]

It is a shame bird man, but the fact of the matter is that if that does happen 46 will still get the accolades. Flip side to that coin is that in some strange way it will be due to him, cause they sure as hell weren't changing much for any other Ducati rider.

 

[birdman]

It is a shame bird man, but the fact of the matter is that if that does happen 46 will still get the accolades. Flip side to that coin is that in some strange way it will be due to him, cause they sure as hell weren't changing much for any other Ducati rider.

Good point about all the other Ducati riders. It appears Rossi had a new chasis for the Misano race, Hayden only tried it Monday and says its a big improvement.



http://motomatters.com/news/2012/09/17/2012_misano_post_race_test_rossi_and_hay.html

 

[michaelm]

It is a shame bird man, but the fact of the matter is that if that does happen 46 will still get the accolades. Flip side to that coin is that in some strange way it will be due to him, cause they sure as hell weren't changing much for any other Ducati rider.

It won't be due to rossi and jb in a strange way, it will be significantly due to them period. They said the previous chassis design was not competitive or tweakable to be so, and insisted ducati had to go aluminium twin spar. The money available because rossi was there also I would think helped ducati disprove the other design, as they did exhaustively, and switch to the new one. What will also be disproved though is the blame given to stoner for not "developing" the bike while he was there; even apart from the resources available when he was there and whether they were listening to him, or even whether he can develop in general, the 2010 bike and its successors was simply not developable.

 

[HEISMAN]

Ur a true Rossi fan Heisman, not a bopper. I wish there were more like u and less like Goaty.

Regarding Laguna, right after that weekend i went to see my Brit family, at so that occupied 3 weeks after Laguna (the week after the event, then 2 gone in UK). By the time i recovered, it was a month post event. Then the forum had a glitch, and i cant post the pics as i usually could. So eventually i learn how to do thos Photofucket thing and post for ur viewing pleasure. The important thing is we were there, and have the memories of a lifetime. Which i intend to do again next year.

Thanks man...



Yes they were some good memories, maybe next year I'll bring some Italian liquor...y'know just to mix it up a bit.



Btw - you on FB at all? PM me if you are

 

[Mick D]

No Pedro in desperate mode, Hector makes that turn without incident.

No Pedders moving through the guppies and Hector ends up in the weeds or takin' out PDP.

 

[Goatboy]

It won't be due to rossi and jb in a strange way, it will be significantly due to them period. They said the previous chassis design was not competitive or tweakable to be so, and insisted ducati had to go aluminium twin spar. The money available because rossi was there also I would think helped ducati disprove the other design, as they did exhaustively, and switch to the new one. What will also be disproved though is the blame given to stoner for not "developing" the bike while he was there; even apart from the resources available when he was there and whether they were listening to him, or even whether he can develop in general, the 2010 bike and its successors was simply not developable.

This.



Inherently flawed, which only Preziosi can take the blame for.

 

[digger]

This.



Inherently flawed, which only Preziosi can take the blame for.

I still wouldn't be so quick to blame him still, you never know if the powers that be were the ones pushing to stay with that style of bike, especially with the panigale well on its way.