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No doubt about it, JB/VR have proven useless. Its made the boppers have to rationalize and readjust every previously held myth regarding the "goat" and his legendary development status. Regardless of the radical changes, and evidence to the contrary, the full blame remains on Duc. Funny how the reverse never applies when talking about his inflated titles on the "best" everything.



Regarding the tests. Newsflash, these tests were scheduled in advance. Perhaps during a time where VR strung along Duc, buying his personal agent Carmelo time to broker a deal with a Japanese factory. It worked. These parts were in the pipeline already genius. Contrary to what u boppers demand, Duc cant .... new parts every time VR comes last of the prototypes, as he made this season quite the habit. Duc like most his fans still are under the spell of the koolaid. Tey are a bit like the whore who gets ..... slapped by their pimp. They are a blind to the fact all VR/JBs development has been one big pile of ..... But hey, he podiumed last weekend. So with all those new parts and confidence, i fully expect VR to win Aragon. Commence rain dance now.
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Be really funny if it didn't work in the rain now,
 
When VR46 is in deep ..... the usual club of haters are more benevolent, condescending and even (almost) ready to recognize some merit -- but don't you dare to look competitive again, Valentino Rossi! Especially on the Ducati...!

Even if favored by circumstances!

They can instantly turn violent!
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Really? That is an elephant as big as the chip on chopperman's shoulder...



I have been looking for the engine stats for this season - they were all over the place last year, but I haven't been able to track them down - got a link?



Sorry no link.... but I read that somewhere's I thought reliable.
 
I find it interesting how the perspective among various fans regarding Duc design has changed when they hired VR. When Casey was crashing on it, most were sure it was his fault, while none credence was giving to the minority voice, now we are suppose to believe the popular opinion again, that its all Ducs fault...
Don't think its as much of a change of perspective... more of - we now have a yardstick to measure by.
 
Don't think your assessment of the GP10 (or Stoner) is correct.

Based on the second half of the season....



9. Laguna Seca - Stoner 2nd

10. Brno - Stoner 3rd

11. Indy - Stoner DNF

12. Misano - Stoner 5th

13. Aragon - Stoner 1st

14. Motegi - Stoner 1st

15. Malaysia - Stoner DNF

16. Phillip Is - Stoner 1st

17. Estoril - Stoner DNF

18. Valencia - Stoner 2nd



So....

3/9 DNF (long way short of 50% Michael)

3/9 pole starts

6/9 on the podium

3/9 wins.

I bet these results look better than Gresini or Tech 3 for the last two years, but are the sat Yamaha and Honda bikes .... ????

The 2010 Ducati was a lot better at the end of 2010 than most people will admit.



And, as far as I understand, Duc did not ditch the carbon swing arm due to lack of adjustability, they ditched it because no one could make the bike work, and logical explanation was that the integral engine / CF swing arm did not provide the correct amount of flex and stiffness.

Duc went to a twin spar alum frame because Yamaha and Honda made that arrangement work. I think a big part of the change from the GP9 to the GP10 was dictated by the change in tyres.

I think it is fairly widely recognised that I am a stoner fan.



However 3 wins, 3 dnfs, a second and a fifth out of the last 8 during which he had his 3 wins is a 37.5% dnf rate, 2 out of 5 is 40%, and a fifth position is likely also down to the bike rather than stoner in my biased opinion. 3 dnfs a season does not get you a championship against jorge lorenzo, let alone 3 out of 8. The dnfs were still random front end loses early in races as I recall.



Again, I am totally biased, but my recollection of the development of the 2010 bike was that stoner was ill in 2009, ducati or their management and sponsorship anyway believed the accepted wisdom that he was flaky, and decided to develop a "more generally rideable" bike in his absence to suit lorenzo or rossi whom they were hoping to sign. I am sure the tyres didn't help but that didn't enter anyone's narrative until 2011.



No doubt ducati have likely had some nostalgia for a 3 win season since 2010 though. I think the 2009 carbon fibre/integrated chassis/whatever bike was fine in stoner's hands in 2009 when he was healthy which is what he said at the time, but the riding method required to make it work can apparently not be replicated by humans according to all others including rossi and jb. Whether a bike that can only be ridden that way is a good idea is a fair question imo, and so is whether it would have continued to work with the tyres as you say.
 
Popular opinion doesn't mean much to me, like most of your posts. But by all means, continue to line up. Oh and trying to pad your post, using the stellar insight that we who post on forums think we are right, ah, breathtaking. No .... Sherlock. Check your post again dude, you are employing the same claim. That&rsquo;s how these things work, we state our opinions, and then some chime in support, while others disagree.



Your point about Pedro not being flustered, hahaha, naive to the Nth degree. Dude, I know we marvel at all these guys, but get ....... real. I know we kid that Pedrobot is a robot, but he is actually human. You are a fool if you think he wasn't affected. In fact, since you are taking so much stock in Hector's prepared and prescribed press release (thanks MickD) take a look at Pedros comments (more like angry outburst, a rare thing for Pedro indeed, haha) regarding the moments leading up to his start from the back of the grid. Does that sound like an unemotional person? You might want to consider the corner you&rsquo;ve painted yourself into, either Pedro was so fluster that he didn&rsquo;t remember the protocol (understandable), or he was making a contrived statement, you know, those statements you take total stock in. You remind me of the scene from the movie My Cousin Vinny, you being the ..... on the stand, while the lawyer makes fun of his inconsistencies, telling him perhaps the laws of physics cease to exist in the man's kitchen, and perhaps the beans he got were magic beans from Jack and the Beanstalk. Maybe you actually believe Pedro is an "alien". But newsflash, he is human. And he was flustered by all the .... that went down at the start of the race (not to mention, his opinion about the protocol, was completely wrong, why would that be&hellip;). And I honestly wouldn&rsquo;t blame Pedro for being a bit out of his mind, jeez, he had to deal with a false start, his tire warmer getting stuck, gets wheeled off the grid, then squires back, thinks there is an electronic glitch on his bike, perhaps having to frantically firgure out the problem (which was actually a switch, pit lane limiter, that had been activated correctly by a mechanic) and then is halted unceremoniously at the back of the grid with no time to explain, that is a lot to take in dude. But I'm suppose to "trust you" that you are right, and his state of mind was not affected, right? Uhm, yeah, ok Jack.



Anyway, I dislike the description of these crashes as mere "racing incidents", because they usually absolve any blame where there usually is some, these things don't happen magically (Jack). This incident could be describe as a racing incident at face value, most all contacts are in fact; but when you couple Pedro&rsquo;s state of mind (yeah, I know you disagree, Jack) and his desperation to make up positions, forcing himself into space that may or may not exist, surely forcing other riders to sit up, react, yield, (ref the incident he talked .... he had with Sic, where he decidedly ran into the back of him, did Pedro think it was Pedro's fault?...) then you have what you had at Misano. It should be fairly evident that Hector's statement was PR damage control; he wasn't going to win an argument where he might place the blame on Pedro. Pedro was in desperate mode, and his passing was aggressive and forced, and this simply caused another rider not have enough time to react. Probably Hector thinks he could have done more to avoid Pedro, and his initial reaction may have displayed this, but seeing the reply, it really does look like Hector did all he could. Look, do this, eliminated Pedro from this equation in your minds eye, and Hector makes that turn without incident, put Pedro back into the equation and we end up with a crash. My conclusion, Pedro&rsquo;s fault.

jumkie, relax man

try to say what you want to say in fewer words

you say you dont care about my posts yet you write a whole page for an answer



i didnt speak of popular opinion, but riders opinion

i think even you might sometime agree they know more about their own job than you

and yes professional riders state of mind, is something you will never understand man

except if you are close to someone. really, trust me, only on that part.

and to put an end, well, what happened happened. thats racing after all.

and its something you dont understand very well
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Got any evidence of this? I've looked and I can't find anything that categorically states Stoner used Hayden's set-ups. I know Hayden stated that he couldn't ride the bike at all with Stoner's settings, so it looks like they were swapping/testing set-ups to find one that worked.



But your post indicates that Stoner was using Hayden as a yardstick - I don't think that is the case at all. In a well-balanced team with two riders that accept and respect each other, it only makes sense to try the other guys settings, just in case you are missing something.

Stoner was lost for a period early in 2010 after several front end loses which he considered to be random, attributed to mental fragility and riding errors until valentino experienced the same phenomenon in 2011. During this time nicky did manage to develop the thing to 4th places and the odd podium riding in a more conventional fashion, better than rossi managed with the integrated chassis thing as jumkie has said. There were contemporary references to stoner adopting some of nicky's set-up (to the extent this was cited as further evidence of his poor development skills here and elsewhere), as well as returning to some of his old set-up and iirc possibly returning to the old forks. There is so much everywhere about the development or lack thereof of the ducati that I can't recall a specific reference, but if you wanted to dredge the threads on here at the time you could probably find something.
 
But Hopper was likeably ....., Ben is ..... and Boring.



Agreed,Hopper may have chucked it way with his booze probs but he is outwardly funny and a personality as Ben is boring to an armchair fan and not very exiting on track anymore.
 
Don't think its as much of a change of perspective... more of - we now have a yardstick to measure by.

For those who believed the facade, yes. Which included many spectators, "expert" media, and even former champs and racers. You know, all those peeps that Jack88 thinks are infallible. Everybody ignored the lessons of Capirossi, Melandri, and Hayden. But somehow they thought Rossi would be different. Why? Because they bought the facade created by the league. Thats why its so important for boppers like J4rno to claim over a year into the failures of VR that "Ducati were doing nothing for Valentino." hahaha, still makes me laugh. And now, the reminder is making him butt hurt.
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For those who believed the facade, yes. Which included many spectators, "expert" media, and even former champs and racers. You know, all those peeps that Jack88 thinks are infallible. Everybody ignored the lessons of Capirossi, Melandri, and Hayden. But somehow they thought Rossi would be different. Why? Because they bought the facade created by the league. Thats why its so important for boppers like J4rno to claim over a year into the failures of VR that "Ducati were doing nothing for Valentino." hahaha, still makes me laugh. And now, the reminder is making him butt hurt.
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I think Ducati did very little that worked for a litany of riders before Rossi. Other than famously try to send Melandri to a shrink and ..... (although this was mostly Phillip Morris) that Stoner was flaky. So, I agree to some extent with Mick D regarding Rossi being a yardstick. And of course the other yardstick was just how un-flaky Stoner was on the Honda in 2011
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I think that even Ducati "bought the facade" of Rossi, though I think that the last race (whilst gifted due to circumstances
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) has shown that Rossi is willing to fight if a podium is in the offing. I'd imagine Lorenzo is slightly less complaisent about Rossi's mojo after Misano
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Nah I know what you mean. After re-watching the race on Speed, it seemed that Pedders was almost in the clear, but I'm not going to put the blame on really either of them. I'll rather attribute it to the ghost of Sic haunting Pedrosa at the track
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Yeah I wasn't as ecstatic as you would think. The results were spoiled when I saw people posting about it on FB and from a few texts from friends this morning. Also, if Stoner and Pedrosa would have started ahead of him, it might have been a different story. The positive that I was able to take from it is he wasn't losing a ton of ground from Lorenzo during the race so I'm happy the bike has progressed significantly. As luck would have it now, it would be funny to see the bike as a regular podium contender by the end of the season Haha!



Btw...where's the recap of Laguna weekend and the pics? Did you put them on FB?



I am still waiting to see the Daytona 200 pics !
 
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