Round 13: 2016 San Marino Grand Prix - Misano World Circuit Marco Simoncelli

Doesn't quite capture it as they are both smiling but the caption cracked me up :giggle:




and for the record (as I know someone will comment)- I agree Rossi should not have interrupted Lorenzo, despite this I still laughed at the caption as I felt sorry for Pedrosa haha

shaunna said:

well I am going to probably be mocked for this but luckily we are all entitled to our opinion. At Phillip Island a few years ago, my brother and nephew saw Lorenzo and my nephew who was a huge fan of Lorenzo (he was 8 at the time) yelled out excitedly as a kid does and went to run to him and before my brother could step in and grab him, security blocked him. Which wasnt a problem as that what security is there for, but when my nephew asked for a autograph Lorenzo just stared and said something in Spanish to one of the people he was with and then walked off with security and the people he was with.

I dont think he's arrogant or self entitled as i dont even know him - and i also get it would be quite exhausting constantly having fans mob him. however when you have an 8 year old boy in a lorenzo shirt asking for an autograph - sure, you dont have to give one but he could of at least acknowledged him with a smile instead of a death stare and then ignore him.

and yes - im sure Rossi and many other riders have done similar but for me personally, I just dont like Lorenzo after that because of how upset my nephew was. Yes kids are annoying at times and I know my nephew was in the wrong but still I found it harsh. And that's just my opinion and how I feel

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Well that's probably the most valid reason I've ever heard for not liking Lorenzo. I actually changed the footy team I supported when I was about your nephews age for the same reason.

I'd love to hear what Dani actually thinks about things that go on. He's never in the middle of it and careful to not say anything about whatever is going on but whether I would like his opinion or not I would love to actually hear it.

p4p1 said:

I'd love to hear what Dani actually thinks about things that go on. He's never in the middle of it and careful to not say anything about whatever is going on but whether I would like his opinion or not I would love to actually hear it.

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Dani knows when to stay out of things that have nothing to do with him.

shaunna said:

well I am going to probably be mocked for this but luckily we are all entitled to our opinion. At Phillip Island a few years ago, my brother and nephew saw Lorenzo and my nephew who was a huge fan of Lorenzo (he was 8 at the time) yelled out excitedly as a kid does and went to run to him and before my brother could step in and grab him, security blocked him. Which wasnt a problem as that what security is there for, but when my nephew asked for a autograph Lorenzo just stared and said something in Spanish to one of the people he was with and then walked off with security and the people he was with.

I dont think he's arrogant or self entitled as i dont even know him - and i also get it would be quite exhausting constantly having fans mob him. however when you have an 8 year old boy in a lorenzo shirt asking for an autograph - sure, you dont have to give one but he could of at least acknowledged him with a smile instead of a death stare and then ignore him.

and yes - im sure Rossi and many other riders have done similar but for me personally, I just dont like Lorenzo after that because of how upset my nephew was. Yes kids are annoying at times and I know my nephew was in the wrong but still I found it harsh. And that's just my opinion and how I feel

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Yep, all valid and you are 100% correct, there are stories or experiences about the other riders that no doubt shape opinions (yep, I have mine, thus why I am not a Biaggi hater).

The shame of it is that for a huge number of people, their like/dislike is not shaped by experiences of those known to them, but by heresay and internet innuendo.

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Look at the wide line Lorenzo was trying to take. He left the door WIDE open for Rossi. I guess he didn't think Rossi was close enough to go up the inside, but he was wrong. Either way, Rossi didn't do a damn thing wrong on that overtake.

moto vudu said:

Dani knows when to stay out of things that have nothing to do with him.

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Doesn't mean he doesn't have an opinion. He obviously knows everything that's going on in the paddock and would probably give the most unbiased opinion.

moto vudu said:

Look at the wide line Lorenzo was trying to take. He left the door WIDE open for Rossi. I guess he didn't think Rossi was close enough to go up the inside, but he was wrong. Either way, Rossi didn't do a damn thing wrong on that overtake.

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Did you bother to look at the other riders following, they are all running the 'wide' Lorenzo line, no-one runs the tight Rossi line for the simple reason he has to park it at the apex and loses all corner speed. Its not exactly the last lap, not time to be covering lines. The only real issue is Rossi is so far off line and going so slow Lorenzo is taken by surprise and nearly runs smack up the back of him. If it had been Marquez doing that to Rossi you would be crying dirty rider. Personally I don't see much in it, not a dirty move just looks awkward.

Lorenzo would have been smart to let that question go, or come up with something off beat, he's usually pretty good with the press but this effort lacked imagination. Rossi hasn't really made a dirty move on Lorenzo for years now. He should learn from Pedro. Once Rossi's bunny, Pedro is sticking it up him every opportunity. Rossi crossing the line with arms spread like WTF?

Forget Lorenzo, for his was Pedro's day, lets just celebrate that image of Pedro stuffing it up Rossi, at Misano, in Italy of all places, and just watching all those yellow balloons instantly deflating. I had a chuckle at the end of the race how quick they moved from Pedro's victory lap to Rossi. The news flash shows Rossi up on the tire wall making it seam like he won. Ditto Pedro waiting around in park ferme for Rossi's almost victory lap. But he's all class, I'm happy for him. And the presser I'm sure Pedro was laughing his not so fat ... off at the two prima donnas handbags at dawn spat.

moto vudu said:

Look at the wide line Lorenzo was trying to take. He left the door WIDE open for Rossi. I guess he didn't think Rossi was close enough to go up the inside, but he was wrong. Either way, Rossi didn't do a damn thing wrong on that overtake.

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As you put it previously, he used him as a berm.

Was ok at assen but not ok here. Double standards like your yellow cheat hero

JPSLotus said:

Cool picture from the race...

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The Human Centipede with go faster stripes.

Richy56 said:

As you put it previously, he used him as a berm.

Was ok at assen but not ok here. Double standards like your yellow cheat hero

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Are you even watching the video?

How did he use him as a berm when he didn't even touch him.
It was a perfectly valid block, textbook in fact. Lorenzo didn't take a defensive line which I assume was because he didn't think Rossi was close enough.

Knocking Marquez off last year and Sete in Jerez were both shitbag moves, this was just a normal pass.

And as someone said before, the journalist was only trying to start an argument, they should have ignored the question.

MiddayGun said:

Are you even watching the video?

How did he use him as a berm when he didn't even touch him.
It was a perfectly valid block, textbook in fact. Lorenzo didn't take a defensive line which I assume was because he didn't think Rossi was close enough.

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Close by no cigar (IMO) as yes it was an attempt at a block pass (and fair) but he missed it by a whisker which I suspect was more Lorenzo and his higher corner speed than anything deliberately untoward by VR

To me a textbook block pass would have had Rossi fully in front and having the bike parked there as he accelerated to fully block Lorenzo.

Minor difference I admit by Rossi and his block passes are generally better executed than that one (he rarely gets close to being caught out), thus my belief that JL's corner speed played a part.

That said, no harm, no foul, hard sure, unfair nope but that said, I have no issue with JL taking an issue with it as all that he said is actually correct - it was in his opinion unnecessary and to him, that is all that matters.

MiddayGun said:

Are you even watching the video?

How did he use him as a berm when he didn't even touch him.
It was a perfectly valid block, textbook in fact. Lorenzo didn't take a defensive line which I assume was because he didn't think Rossi was close enough.

Knocking Marquez off last year and Sete in Jerez were both shitbag moves, this was just a normal pass.

And as someone said before, the journalist was only trying to start an argument, they should have ignored the question.

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Not saying he was in the wrong am I? Nothing wrong with the pass.

He would have touched him if Lorenzo didn't stand the bike up. I'm just stating that it was similar to the Marquez Rossi at assen where some others said Marquez used Rossi as a berm. Difference is Rossi turned in on Marquez, they touched, he blasted across the gravel to win.

MiddayGun said:

Knocking Marquez off last year and Sete in Jerez were both shitbag moves, this was just a normal pass.

And as someone said before, the journalist was only trying to start an argument, they should have ignored the question.

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Agree.

Nothing wrong with Rossi's move which exploited Jorge's wide line - he also brake checked him which is the perfect way to upset a rider like Lorenzo's smooth flow and momentum. Lorenzo shouldn't have bitten. Watch Valencia 2013 back again and the moves he put on Pedrosa.

Similarly Dani's move on Rossi was textbook stuff. I recall a keen and over confident James Toseland during his first year of GP at Philip Island getting into a duel with Valentino. It was spectacular stuff for a lap or two until he tried to go around Rossi at MG. Vale simply let off the brake and ran him wide - just as Dani did yesterday when he got underneath him.

That said, of late, Rossi appears to enjoy hard racing only so long as he prevails. I felt his objections after Philip Island last year and the outrage from his band of obsessives was particularly rich given the scorn directed at Stoner's remarks post Laguna 2008.

Yesterday's race really emphasises my point about armchair racers who suggest that a riders 'head has gone' or 'they've lost it' without fully comprehending the contributory factors behind an individual riders malaise. Pedrosa's lack of form this year stems from balance, weight transfer, a lack of front end feel, braking, and an inability to hook up the Michelin rear given the cruder unified electronics package. Still the same rider - amazing what a soft compound and few degrees higher track temperature can do. The latter used to spell doom for the Honda's. Great ride to out-Yamaha the Yamaha's.

Most race winners since the series began in '49. I'd love for Dovi to become the ninth, but given the remaining races I can't really see it. Perhaps Aragon is his best chance.

Some say he is self absorbed and cares for nobody but himself, but as with Hayden her is some class from Jorge to Dani - all of which seems to show that Pedrosa is well liked

shaunna said:

well I am going to probably be mocked for this but luckily we are all entitled to our opinion. At Phillip Island a few years ago, my brother and nephew saw Lorenzo and my nephew who was a huge fan of Lorenzo (he was 8 at the time) yelled out excitedly as a kid does and went to run to him and before my brother could step in and grab him, security blocked him. Which wasnt a problem as that what security is there for, but when my nephew asked for a autograph Lorenzo just stared and said something in Spanish to one of the people he was with and then walked off with security and the people he was with.

I dont think he's arrogant or self entitled as i dont even know him - and i also get it would be quite exhausting constantly having fans mob him. however when you have an 8 year old boy in a lorenzo shirt asking for an autograph - sure, you dont have to give one but he could of at least acknowledged him with a smile instead of a death stare and then ignore him.

and yes - im sure Rossi and many other riders have done similar but for me personally, I just dont like Lorenzo after that because of how upset my nephew was. Yes kids are annoying at times and I know my nephew was in the wrong but still I found it harsh. And that's just my opinion and how I feel

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Understandable, as they say in sales, you get one shot at a first impression.

I think it was a fair pass (as I would no matter what two riders were involved) and I don't necessarily agree with Jorge it wasn't "necessary" at that point. Jorge has a habit of getting in front and pulling away from the others. If I were racing against him, I know I would do anything to get in front of him asap.

Iowegian said:

I think it was a fair pass (as I would no matter what two riders were involved) and I don't necessarily agree with Jorge it wasn't "necessary" at that point. Jorge has a habit of getting in front and pulling away from the others. If I were racing against him, I know I would do anything to get in front of him asap.

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Absolutely. Rossi knew what he needed to do to beat Lorenzo and he did it. Let a rider like Jorge escape and establish his rhythm and it's game over. Last year however, given the same race conditions, he would never have been in the same race on the 'stones.

Arrabbiata1 said:

Absolutely. Rossi knew what he needed to do to beat Lorenzo and he did it. Let a rider like Jorge escape and establish his rhythm and it's game over. Last year however, given the same race conditions, he would never have been in the same race on the 'stones.

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In hindsight Lorenzo's pace yesterday was about 0.1 slower per lap so Rossi didn't need to get in front that soon as JL was never going to break away. It was bad PR on his part to complain about the pass so much though.

Daniboy said:

In hindsight Lorenzo's pace yesterday was about 0.1 slower per lap so Rossi didn't need to get in front that soon as JL was never going to break away. It was bad PR on his part to complain about the pass so much though.

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Of course he needed to get ahead of Lorenzo. He had no idea what pace Jorge was capable of running - further it would have been part of his race strategy to place Jorge between any challenge that may have arisen from Márquez, Dovi or Viñales. That was his race plan irrespective of Lorenzo's lap times and irrespective of hindsight. Valentino simply can't afford to sit back and stalk riders anymore - it's not 2002 - Unlike then, he actually has formidable opposition now, some on equal/competitive machinery, if you hadn't noticed. He was certainly aware that his own race pace was strong and I don't think that tyre management on the medium front would have been too much of a concern - so put the hammer down early, which is precisely what he did.

The imprudence concerning the reaction to the pass has already been broached several times.