Round 13: 2016 San Marino Grand Prix - Misano World Circuit Marco Simoncelli

JPSLotus · Sep 11, 2016

michaelm said:
I think you have to credit Rossi for hanging in and for riding well today.

MM actually said he was admonished by his team for last week, where he lost 6 points of his lead in the quest to extend his lead by 7 points rather than 3. Perhaps as has has been argued he saw 7 points as decisive, but after this week he is vulnerable if he has a 0 points race. It is similar to Stoner and Rossi in 2008 though, Stoner needed to win something like 5 of 7 races, which he couldn't do, and I don't see Rossi winning a majority of the remaining races as you imply. There are other riders this year who can beat both of them which might complicate things.

I think after last week, MM is going to play it safe in the races. I would venture to guess he and the team have sat down and probably mapped out the points finishes he needs to target for the remainder of the season. At this point, while he does have to consider Vinales and possibly one of the Ducatis, his main focus is going to be Rossi. I don't think you will see him go head-to-head with Rossi unless absolutely necessary. Aragon and Motegi are big, big races for Marquez as they will probably dictate the title outcome. MM does need to wrap the title up before Valencia IMO, and will likely do so at Sepang if he finishes in good position at Aragon, Motegi, and Phillip Island.

One thing I will say, while it is unlikely, if Stoner wild cards at Phillip Island, Rossi will probably fry out as that would have championship battle implications that would not benefit Rossi IMO.

paparazzo · Sep 11, 2016

Little Walter said:
Yep, saw it. Rossi was his usual clown king self. Totally shameless. Lorenzo was correct. Rossi had the pace to beat him anyhow. The pass was needlessly aggressive. When Lorenzo challenged him to site an example of Jorge barging needlessly into another rider, Rossi came up empty.

What you expect him to have repertoire of all races on hand? Only a clown cry baby like Lorenzo would find that move aggressive. See it multiple time at every grand prix from the mid fielders. Casey was just as miserable always cry foul when a bike come within 5 feet of him. No one complains except Jorge. I remember he ran over MM elbow at Silverstone in 2013 and forced him to sit up costing him the win, no one said anything. He just uptight because it was VR that did it, can't handle how he's being outraced by 37 year old so this is the reaction. Can't wait to 2017 when he becomes a mid-fielder at Ducati. Now you know why this guy gets booed in every race including his own country.

JPSLotus · Sep 11, 2016

paparazzo said:
What you expect him to have repertoire of all races on hand? Only a clown cry baby like Lorenzo would find that move aggressive. See it multiple time at every grand prix from the mid fielders. Casey was just as miserable always cry foul when a bike come within 5 feet of him. No one complains except Jorge. I remember he ran over MM elbow at Silverstone in 2013 and forced him to sit up costing him the win, no one said anything. He just uptight because it was VR that did it, can't handle how he's being outraced by 37 year old so this is the reaction. Can't wait to 2017 when he becomes a mid-fielder at Ducati. Now you know why this guy gets booed in every race including his own country.

michaelm · Sep 11, 2016

JPSLotus said:

Yes, it is apparently the "Rossi Haters" on this forum who have the problem with bitterness and anger.

I seem to recall Rossi making considerable complaint about passes no more aggressive at Sepang 2015. And about Max Biaggi, Toni Elias etc etc.

Bern1 · Sep 11, 2016

Rossi and argey bargey is like a predictable bad song, they go together like red beans and rice.

MiddayGun · Sep 11, 2016

It was an aggressive move in a race of aggressive moves.

Dani stood up Rossi on his way through, same corner as well I think. And Marquez made a pretty aggressive pass on Vinales.
Its all very well saying 'oh if I didn't stand the bike up then we crash' but that's true of most passes, someone puts their bike onto the line that someone else wants to use and one rider has to give way.

All in all it was a pretty good race.

JPSLotus · Sep 11, 2016

michaelm said:
Yes, it is apparently the "Rossi Haters" on this forum who have the problem with bitterness and anger.

I seem to recall Rossi making considerable complaint about passes no more aggressive at Sepang 2015. And about Max Biaggi, Toni Elias etc etc.

Rossi and his supporters have two sets of standards, the one for Rossi, and the one for every other rider.

MM employed clean passes at Sepang 2015 and they all collectively flipped a .....

I think more than anything Lorenzo was not expecting it and thought he had covered already. I don't know, after rewatching it a few times, I don't have a huge problem with it as he was on a tight inside line and Lorenzo was going for a wider turn with a late apex. Lorenzo seemed more startled than anything.

paparazzo · Sep 11, 2016

JPSLotus said:

Where did you find the Casey Stoner photo?

michaelm · Sep 11, 2016

JPSLotus said:
Rossi and his supporters have two sets of standards, the one for Rossi, and the one for every other rider.

MM employed clean passes at Sepang 2015 and they all collectively flipped a .....

I think more than anything Lorenzo was not expecting it and thought he had covered already. I don't know, after rewatching it a few times, I don't have a huge problem with it as he was on a tight inside line and Lorenzo was going for a wider turn with a late apex. Lorenzo seemed more startled than anything.

Lorenzo turned too wide as you say. On this occasion, unlike previous passes at Jerez by Rossi and MM, Rossi made and was always going to make the corner and was in control of his bike.

JPSLotus · Sep 11, 2016

paparazzo said:
Where did you find the Casey Stoner photo?

You're one of the most bitter posters I have ever seen here Talps.

How's the Alaskan wilderness? Cabin fever finally pushed you over the edge huh?

p4p1 · Sep 11, 2016

Lorenzos main problem seemed to be that it was unnecessary which it could be argued it was.

Also Rossi fans stop bringing up age I really don't believe in the modern world in motorbike racing being 37 is a big hinderence.

moto vudu · Sep 11, 2016

p4p1 said:
Lorenzos main problem seemed to be that it was unnecessary which it could be argued it was.

Also Rossi fans stop bringing up age I really don't believe in the modern world in motorbike racing being 37 is a big hinderence.

Lorenzo's main problem is that it was Rossi... that's it. He hates being passed and beaten by Rossi. They're bitter rivals so I don't have an issue with that. But to say the pass was unnecessary is hindsight 20/20. Rossi wanted to get out in front and establish a gap as quickly as he could. He made a move the first chance he got. Marquez and Lorenzo do the same thing, it's racing.

Jumkie · Sep 11, 2016

moto vudu said:
...it's racing.

Ah yes, I've heard this before, "That is racing." Right right. Got it. So, we're back to this anthem. You're not gonna change your mind again, are you? Last week poor Rossi was "kicked" even. This week, "it's racing". Geez, make up your mind.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

GeniusAtTwerk · Sep 11, 2016

MiddayGun said:
It was an aggressive move in a race of aggressive moves.

Dani stood up Rossi on his way through, same corner as well I think. And Marquez made a pretty aggressive pass on Vinales.
Its all very well saying 'oh if I didn't stand the bike up then we crash' but that's true of most passes, someone puts their bike onto the line that someone else wants to use and one rider has to give way.

All in all it was a pretty good race.

Yep, like I said before I wasn't a fan of either move, Rossi didn't need to cut so much more inside than he did to pass; Pedrosa actually did need to outbrake himself to not collide with Rossi in the apex because he was so far back, but he didn't need to pass in that corner though. Lorenzo's assertion that Rossi is somehow less cleaner than others is pretty laughable though, considering it's Marquez who does by far most of these questionable block passes with his famous lunges to the inside to the apex.

Oh well, it is what it is and the riders will probably never stop making these kind of passes.

moto vudu · Sep 11, 2016

Jumkie said:
Ah yes, I've heard this before, "That is racing." Right right. Got it. So, we're back to this anthem. You're not gonna change your mind again, are you? Last week poor Rossi was "kicked" even. This week, "it's racing". Geez, make up your mind.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

Are you just posting to up your post count? You're not even trying to make a point.

Jumkie · Sep 11, 2016

Pedrosa is such a ....., he had an opportunity to call Rossi out during the post race conference. He could have reminded Rossi about...

Knock knock...

Dani: Hola Valentino.
Rossi: Chao Dani.
Dani: Can I help you?
Rossi: Ah, yes, yes, why you pass so hard at Aragon?
Dani: This is racing Valentino.
Rossi: No, no, why you race me so hard, I'm fighting for championship!?
Dani: This is racing Valentino.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

Jumkie · Sep 11, 2016

moto vudu said:
Are you just posting to up your post count? You're not even trying to make a point.

Perhaps my post has exceeded the limits of your comprehension.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

JPSLotus · Sep 11, 2016

Jumkie said:
Perhaps my post has exceeded the limits of your comprehension.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

A lot of things exceed Vudu's comprehension these days.

moto vudu · Sep 11, 2016

Jumkie said:
Perhaps my post has exceeded the limits of your comprehension.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

JPSLotus said:
A lot of things exceed Vudu's comprehension these days.

Guess so, you two post fantasies. You're like special ed versions of George R. R. Martin.

Two little Timmy's!

JPSLotus · Sep 11, 2016

moto vudu said:
Guess so, you two post fantasies. You're like special ed versions of George R. R. Martin.

"GUISE MARQUEZ KICKED ROSSI AT SILVERSTONE."

Meanwhile, in reality, VR, Race Direction, and all of the boppers out there said nothing about it.

Yesterday was the phantom "exceeding the track limits" thing with you. No one other than you and a few boppers said anything about it.

And you want to talk about fantasy? Everything you post is fantasy. You've been proven wrong so many times, it actually has become somewhat tiring to muster up the requisite energy to debunk yet another one of your intellectually devoid posts.

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