Round 13: 2016 San Marino Grand Prix - Misano World Circuit Marco Simoncelli

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If Rossi keeps finishing 2nd, MM can finish 4th the final 5 races and still win the championship.

To maintain things if Rossi somehow won the final 5 races, MM needs to finish no worse than 3rd.

Like I said, MM is just cruising for points now. He finished 4th today because that was all he needed to do, especially once he realized Pedrosa was going to catch Rossi. Expect him to be targeting 4th most of these races, and to only become aggressive if the opportunity shows. The pressure is all on Rossi now as finishing 3rd or worse is going to severely damage any chance of getting the title...and let's be real, we're getting into Honda territory now with Aragon and Motegi up next.
 
If Rossi keeps finishing 2nd, MM can finish 4th the final 5 races and still win the championship.

To maintain things if Rossi somehow won the final 5 races, MM needs to finish no worse than 3rd.

Like I said, MM is just cruising for points now. He finished 4th today because that was all he needed to do, especially once he realized Pedrosa was going to catch Rossi. Expect him to be targeting 4th most of these races, and to only become aggressive if the opportunity shows. The pressure is all on Rossi now as finishing 3rd or worse is going to severely damage any chance of getting the title...and let's be real, we're getting into Honda territory now with Aragon and Motegi up next.

I think you have to credit Rossi for hanging in and for riding well today.

MM actually said he was admonished by his team for last week, where he lost 6 points of his lead in the quest to extend his lead by 7 points rather than 3. Perhaps as has has been argued he saw 7 points as decisive, but after this week he is vulnerable if he has a 0 points race. It is similar to Stoner and Rossi in 2008 though, Stoner needed to win something like 5 of 7 races, which he couldn't do, and I don't see Rossi winning a majority of the remaining races as you imply. There are other riders this year who can beat both of them which might complicate things.
 
Crazy jnr brit run into 1st

Typical italian crowd .... someone revving a chainsaw in the background lol.

He almost held on for the win til his mentor swiped it from him. That track was brutal. I've seen enough Italian sausage for my lifetime after this race.
 
If Rossi keeps finishing 2nd, MM can finish 4th the final 5 races and still win the championship.

To maintain things if Rossi somehow won the final 5 races, MM needs to finish no worse than 3rd.

Like I said, MM is just cruising for points now. He finished 4th today because that was all he needed to do, .........
I think you have to credit Rossi for hanging in and for riding well today.

MM actually said he was admonished by his team for last week,......
I get all this, but sh!t happens. Like Rossi's engine blowing-up. Sh!t can happen to Marquez, too. Not only that, but the team and others seem to forget the psychology. Rossi does not. Did you listen to the news conference? Vale said just beating Marc is enough, if he isn't winning. MM needs to assert himself for this year and the next years.

Besides, Marc is just naturally aggressive. Stupid Repsol would have two LESS Rider Championships, if he was something different. I don't want to watch a neutered rider of his caliber.
 
There isn't but we also don't need to see that look-at-me ..... He didn't win the race.

Rossi's impotent rage at being beaten at Misano was palpable at the Parc Ferme interview. Yes - it was his home race, but his bit of grandstanding on the green tire barrier was a good way to put off the inevitable long walk to the 2nd place spot on the podium.

Of course there was the usual mindless booing by the yellow minions when Dani came to the podium. If for no other reason - that is one reason I'll be glad when he's gone.
 
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I get all this, but sh!t happens. Like Rossi's engine blowing-up. Sh!t can happen to Marquez, too. Not only that, but the team and others seem to forget the psychology. Rossi does not. Did you listen to the news conference? Vale said just beating Marc is enough, if he isn't winning. MM needs to assert himself for this year and the next years.

Besides, Marc is just naturally aggressive. Stupid Repsol would have two LESS Rider Championships, if he was something different. I don't want to watch a neutered rider of his caliber.

I don't think he had the pace to go with Pedrosa or Rossi today.
 
Rossi's impotent rage at being beaten at Misano was palpable at the Parc Ferme interview. Yes - it was his home race, but his bit of grandstanding on the greet tire barrier was a good way to put off the Inevitable long walk to the 2nd place spot on the podium.

Of course there was the usual mindless booing by the yellow minions when Dani came to the podium. If for no other reason - that is one reason I'll be glad when he's gone.

Lorenzo got booed and lapped it up,seems to play it like the pantomime villain. They didn't boo Dani.
 
I get all this, but sh!t happens. Like Rossi's engine blowing-up. Sh!t can happen to Marquez, too. Not only that, but the team and others seem to forget the psychology. Rossi does not. Did you listen to the news conference? Vale said just beating Marc is enough, if he isn't winning. MM needs to assert himself for this year and the next years.

Besides, Marc is just naturally aggressive. Stupid Repsol would have two LESS Rider Championships, if he was something different. I don't want to watch a neutered rider of his caliber.

Marquez was controlling the gap between him and Vinales in the second part of the race. He did enough to get into 3rd, and once Dani came up on him, he didn't bother to fight. No need. That costs time and 5th place benefits from it. He's probing at the beginning of the race to see what kind of pace the leaders have and what it would take to catch and pass them. Risk/reward assessment. Better to ride before the limit than on it and risk crashing.
 
Lorenzo got booed and lapped it up,seems to play it like the pantomime villain. They didn't boo Dani.

Literally everyone else is saying that he was booed but they changed the audio to where his team was cheering.
 
Congrats to Pedro.


MICHELIN ACCOMPLISHED: Rossi 2017 "Champion"

What is happening here is so obvious I'm amazed it's being utterly overlooked. Michelin continue to fine tune the tire, while 2016 is the season long testing session. The messaging being parroted is that this is "the golden era" of GP, pointing to the ANOMALY of race winners. Nobody is asking or understanding why this is an outlier. Michelin continue to test a tire in race conditions and nobody is the wiser! Marquez and Lorenzo continue to struggle with tires, Rossi continues to improve pace and consistency with an ever evolving tire. The alternate winners have done so with anomalous conditions combined often with tire choice countermeasures, wet, very cold, hot along with gamble on tires (biggy) meanwhile Rossi has been in contention for all of them. Today is an excellent example, Pedrosa went with the tire choice that was decidedly a countermeasure to not being able to use the hard that Rossi was supposed to win on over Lorenzo and Marquez. It's being played out under our noses.

Rossi 2017 "champ".


If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
 
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has anyone seen the post race press conference?

rossi and lorenzo get asked about the move rossi did on lorenzo. and they get in a argument.
 
Lorenzo got booed and lapped it up,seems to play it like the pantomime villain. They didn't boo Dani.

Even if you were right, it doesn't discount the mindless ........ booing world champion riders who've paid a heavy price to get where they are and deserve to be treated with respect. Believe whatever fantasy scenario about Lorenzo's take on it that let's you sleep at night knowing that you are in the same league as all the other glory hunters. Lorenzo puts on a brave face because he's a champion, who doesn't easily break in the face of adversity; and he's sure as .... not going to show his real feelings to a mob of neanderthal bopper dimwits. Again, nothing you imagine about his inner workings excuses the despicable behavior of the yellow rabble.
 
Lorenzo was not happy with Rossi's overtake. He felt if he didn't avoid it, they would have crashed, or at least he would have.

Yamaha teammates Jorge Lorenzo and Valentino Rossi have quarrelled in the post-San Marino Grand Prix press conference, with Lorenzo unhappy with Rossi's forceful early-race overtake.

Lorenzo had led the opening lap, but was deposed by Rossi at Turn 14 the second time around, the Italian lunging from far back and placing his bike on the apex of the entry into the hairpin in a classic 'block pass' move.

This forced Lorenzo to check up, the Spaniard having to pick up his bike and run wide as Rossi took over in the lead.

The duo would end up completing the podium behind race winner Dani Pedrosa - and tensions between Lorenzo and Rossi flared up in the post-race press conference when the move was brought up.

Explaining the move, Rossi said: "Here, overtaking in Misano, always a bit difficult.

"I wanted to try from the beginning, because I wanted to try to modify something - in Mugello, I was behind Lorenzo and I was unlucky, a broken engine, so this time I tried to stay in front."

In response, Lorenzo offered a very critical assessment of the Italian's move.

"Well, if you ask this question, it's because maybe the move is aggressive," Lorenzo said. "If not, you don't have this question.

"You can have different opinions. My opinion was that the overtaking was maybe too aggressive.

"He didn't need to make this overtaking - but you know, it's his style, other riders overtake more clean."

Heated exchange

The latter sentence forced a laugh from Rossi, much to his teammate's chagrin, and the press conference devolved into a dialogue from that point onwards - with the two rivals talking over each other.

Rossi: It's not true. Try to look, another time, at the overtake.

Lorenzo: If I don't put straight the bike, we crash together. Maybe you don't crash, but I crash.

Rossi: What are you saying? It is not true. I don't know what I have to [say] with you, what I have to say with Marquez in Silverstone, when he overtake 10 times like this.

Lorenzo: Well, it's your opinion. This is my opinion, respect my opinion.

Rossi: Why are you saying like this, it's not true. Also you overtake always aggressive.

Lorenzo: When?

Rossi: At this moment I don't remember, but if you check the race, if you check the tape, 100 times to me-

Lorenzo: Well, don't laugh, respect my opinion, race direction will have another opinion.

Rossi: Why don't you check the images?

Lorenzo: I haven't checked the images, I will see. But for me, if I don't put the bike straight, I crash.

Rossi: I don't agree.

Turning back to the media, Lorenzo, who leaves Yamaha for Ducati at the end of the year, concluded: "For me, he didn't need to do this overtaking. He was better today, he would've passed me anyway sooner or later.

"But he didn't need to be so aggressive on me, I think. But of course, he will have a different opinion."

Lorenzo sparks new war of words with Rossi
 
Even if you were right, it doesn't discount the mindless ........ booing world champion riders who've paid a heavy price to get where they are and deserve to be treated with respect. Believe whatever fantasy scenario about Lorenzo's take on it that let's you sleep at night knowing that you are in the same league as all the other glory hunters. Lorenzo puts on a brave face because he's a champion, who doesn't easily break in the face of adversity; and he's sure as .... not going to show his real feelings to a mob of neanderthal bopper dimwits. Again, nothing you imagine about his inner workings excuses the despicable behavior of the yellow rabble.

So do you think Lorenzo gets upset and tearful when this happens? Look at his eyes, he's happy.
 
has anyone seen the post race press conference?

rossi and lorenzo get asked about the move rossi did on lorenzo. and they get in a argument.

Yep, saw it. Rossi was his usual clown king self. Totally shameless. Lorenzo was correct. Rossi had the pace to beat him anyhow. The pass was needlessly aggressive. When Lorenzo challenged him to site an example of Jorge barging needlessly into another rider, Rossi came up empty.
 
So do you think Lorenzo gets upset and tearful when this happens? Look at his eyes, he's happy.

You have some serious reading comprehension impairment. You probably think denial is a river in Egypt.
 
Even if you were right, it doesn't discount the mindless ........ booing world champion riders who've paid a heavy price to get where they are and deserve to be treated with respect. Believe whatever fantasy scenario about Lorenzo's take on it that let's you sleep at night knowing that you are in the same league as all the other glory hunters. Lorenzo puts on a brave face because he's a champion, who doesn't easily break in the face of adversity; and he's sure as .... not going to show his real feelings to a mob of neanderthal bopper dimwits. Again, nothing you imagine about his inner workings excuses the despicable behavior of the yellow rabble.

One thing I have been thinking, all that end of season stuff was at considerable personal cost to both Rossi and Lorenzo, with reports Rossi broke up with his long term girlfriend in the off-season, and also Lorenzo who according to Libby pre-race whom I sure can be believed on the matter Lorenzo similarly broke up with his girlfriend. I think MM was also quite affronted/insulted, and was still maintaining pre-race he at least knows what his motives and actions were, but seems to be more the don't get mad, get even type.
 
has anyone seen the post race press conference?

rossi and lorenzo get asked about the move rossi did on lorenzo. and they get in a argument.

It's funny because Rossi clearly upset about Danis aggressive pass, but saw no problem with his on Lorenzo which was worse.
 
It was just a block pass and Lorenzo knows this. Stating that if he didn't stand his bike up he/they would have crashed is pointless... that's ALWAYS how it is with a block pass. If Rossi didn't stand up when Pedro passed him, he/they would have crashed. It's taking over the line and preventing the other rider from turning in unless he wants to make contact. Aggressive? Yes. But not rare and Lorenzo has blocked pass other riders before.
 
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