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Rossi & the Valencia test

Well I guess this means that Ducati don't believe Stoner will be a 'Threat' on the Honda then.......



An alternate view could well be that Ducati are repaying Honda who released Hayden at season's end and as such are reciprocating that pleasantness from Honda.



Alternately to date there is no 'equal' rider swap between Ducati to Yamaha that needs or is deserving of a similar approach, although one suspects that if a Ducati rider signs with Yamaha then that may be treated differently to the CS to Honda deal.









Gaz
 
I never said Rossi would not have factory parts or race his current bike which would satisfy his contract.....I said if Yamaha wanted Spies on a factory bike, it could happen very easy.



I do agree Rossi would know if they put FIAT bodywork on Spies's bike.....and sent him out on the track.





Tech 3 riders are on 2009 chassis. Even if they did slip Ben the 2010 chassis, there would be enough of a difference that it would take him a while to get up to speed. Still impressive that

Ben is so close to the magnificent 4 with year old running gear.
 
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/162473/1/yamaha_to_delay_valentino_rossis_ducati_debut.html



if Yam ban Doc from testing at Valencia i'll never buy another Yamaha again
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... besides i have to save for a Duc now
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Edit: Dam it i forgot Spies will be running circles round Gorgeous George
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guess i'll build a 450 Yam Supermoto in his Championship Winning colors
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Much debate has been triggered by the news that Yamaha might not allow Rossi to test for Ducati straight after the final race of the year. Furusawa commented that it is "too early to say, because of the point of view of the professional business relationship."





Translation: We will let Rossi test the Ducati, we just don't want to look like we caved in very quickly as we still have to look like we are in charge.
 
Much debate has been triggered by the news that Yamaha might not allow Rossi to test for Ducati straight after the final race of the year. Furusawa commented that it is "too early to say, because of the point of view of the professional business relationship."





Translation: We will let Rossi test the Ducati, we just don't want to look like we caved in very quickly as we still have to look like we are in charge.



The real translation is:

"We'll let Rossi test at Valencia, provided he "behaves" for the rest of the season in a "professional" way -- i.e. he will not mess up too much with Lorenzo."



Speaking of which, it is interesting to quote Carlo Pernat from the GpOne site:



“Lorenzo put on an impressive display of strength at Brno. Now he is basically a 'clone' of Rossi. Everyone was focused on Rossi's move to Ducati, but it should be pointed out that Jorge has put together a great team with Forcada and the others, and they might even be stronger than Valentino's team. His Yamaha has often looked better than Rossi's in terms of setup. Now I think the relationship between Vale and the Japanese will get worse as Lorenzo becomes more and more the team leader. Lorenzo is so strong right now that I don't even think an in-form Rossi could beat him."



Still Furusawa is worried enough to play the Valencia tests token fully
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The real translation is:

Speaking of which, it is interesting to quote Carlo Pernat from the GpOne site:



“Lorenzo put on an impressive display of strength at Brno. Now he is basically a 'clone' of Rossi. Everyone was focused on Rossi's move to Ducati, but it should be pointed out that Jorge has put together a great team with Forcada and the others, and they might even be stronger than Valentino's team. His Yamaha has often looked better than Rossi's in terms of setup. Now I think the relationship between Vale and the Japanese will get worse as Lorenzo becomes more and more the team leader. Lorenzo is so strong right now that I don't even think an in-form Rossi could beat him."



Still Furusawa is worried enough to play the Valencia tests token fully
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I have no claim to being a rossi fan, primarily anyway, but why does pernat feel the need to make such a statement, other than to get his name in print? Jorge could hardly do better than he has done so far this season,and deserves all credit for his performance but let him do it for several seasons and on a bike he has developed himself before calling him unbeatable.



The unknown question is how close to fit rossi is. This is obviously of no concern to jorge and does not reflect on his championship at all, since it is up to valentino to present himself on the grid fully fit. However as I argued on another thread, mark webber who is a noted fitness freak took a year to fully recover from a similar fracture, and I still believe the rider input in motogp to be greater than the driver input in F1, and imo such an injury is also likely to affect riding more than driving.
 
The real translation is:

"We'll let Rossi test at Valencia, provided he "behaves" for the rest of the season in a "professional" way -- i.e. he will not mess up too much with Lorenzo."



Speaking of which, it is interesting to quote Carlo Pernat from the GpOne site:



“Lorenzo put on an impressive display of strength at Brno. Now he is basically a 'clone' of Rossi. Everyone was focused on Rossi's move to Ducati, but it should be pointed out that Jorge has put together a great team with Forcada and the others, and they might even be stronger than Valentino's team. His Yamaha has often looked better than Rossi's in terms of setup. Now I think the relationship between Vale and the Japanese will get worse as Lorenzo becomes more and more the team leader. Lorenzo is so strong right now that I don't even think an in-form Rossi could beat him."



Still Furusawa is worried enough to play the Valencia tests token fully
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I agree to most of your views above. But your openion on Lorenzo beating an in-form Rossi is something I just cant accept. I dont say this as a fan, the fact remails that Rossi when in form or in good control can/will go to any exetent to take victory and have proved it fair and square which we all have witnessed time to time.

-Ajith
 
I agree to most of your views above. But your openion on Lorenzo beating an in-form Rossi is something I just cant accept. I dont say this as a fan, the fact remails that Rossi when in form or in good control can/will go to any exetent to take victory and have proved it fair and square which we all have witnessed time to time.

-Ajith



It wasn't my opinion -- I was quoting Carlo Pernat who is the manager of Capirossi and Simoncelli, a man who knows a lot about riders. Anyway, knowing him, I can say that he loves to use kind of "provocative" words now and then
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I agree to most of your views above. But your openion on Lorenzo beating an in-form Rossi is something I just cant accept. I dont say this as a fan, the fact remails that Rossi when in form or in good control can/will go to any exetent to take victory and have proved it fair and square which we all have witnessed time to time.-Ajith

True enough, but time waits for no one. In his prime, he seemed able to will himself to do almost anything, even hexing other riders
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.Rossi is getting towards the end of a brilliant career, does he have few tricks left, more than likely. Can he beat the much younger aliens on a consistent enough basis to win another title on the Duc, i dont think so, but ive been wrong about him before. Even if he does have it in him, it hurts to say that Hayden might be his weak link to winning a title. Without a strong team mate that is able to take points away from Lorenzo, Stoner and Pedrosa on a regular basis, it will be hard for him to win another title
 
True enough, but time waits for no one. In his prime, he seemed able to will himself to do almost anything, even hexing other riders
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.Rossi is getting towards the end of a brilliant career, does he have few tricks left, more than likely. Can he beat the much younger aliens on a consistent enough basis to win another title on the Duc, i dont think so, but ive been wrong about him before. Even if he does have it in him, it hurts to say that Hayden might be his weak link to winning a title. Without a strong team mate that is able to take points away from Lorenzo, Stoner and Pedrosa on a regular basis, it will be hard for him to win another title



Astute post.
 
It wasn't my opinion -- I was quoting Carlo Pernat who is the manager of Capirossi and Simoncelli, a man who knows a lot about riders. Anyway, knowing him, I can say that he loves to use kind of "provocative" words now and then
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Sorry dude.. I completely mistaken that
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True enough, but time waits for no one. In his prime, he seemed able to will himself to do almost anything, even hexing other riders
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.Rossi is getting towards the end of a brilliant career, does he have few tricks left, more than likely. Can he beat the much younger aliens on a consistent enough basis to win another title on the Duc, i dont think so, but ive been wrong about him before. Even if he does have it in him, it hurts to say that Hayden might be his weak link to winning a title. Without a strong team mate that is able to take points away from Lorenzo, Stoner and Pedrosa on a regular basis, it will be hard for him to win another title

good post pov but why do you think rossi is at the end of his career ? This season may be a lost cause because of his injury but need i remind you who is the current world champion . "End of there career" is riders like capi and edwards who have not won a wc and are not likely to. Rossi has been in the game a while but is far from burned out mate ! I think its more non rossi fans wishful thinking.
 
True enough, but time waits for no one. In his prime, he seemed able to will himself to do almost anything, even hexing other riders
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.Rossi is getting towards the end of a brilliant career, does he have few tricks left, more than likely. Can he beat the much younger aliens on a consistent enough basis to win another title on the Duc, i dont think so, but ive been wrong about him before. Even if he does have it in him, it hurts to say that Hayden might be his weak link to winning a title. Without a strong team mate that is able to take points away from Lorenzo, Stoner and Pedrosa on a regular basis, it will be hard for him to win another title





Yes it is going to be really hard to get another championship especially against these strong rivals at the same time i dont see any signs of ageing or lack of motivation in Rossi to go for it again.
 
good post pov but why do you think rossi is at the end of his career ? This season may be a lost cause because of his injury but need i remind you who is the current world champion . "End of there career" is riders like capi and edwards who have not won a wc and are not likely to. Rossi has been in the game a while but is far from burned out mate ! I think its more non rossi fans wishful thinking.

In that respect i agree. Rossi could ride around for the next 10 years and garner top 5-7 finishes in the championship, but i dont think that is his style.
 
If Biaggi, Corser, and Bayliss can win WSBK championships why can't Rossi? I realize the talent level in MotoGP is higher, but a motivated Rossi in my mind is scary.

As far as Hayden being a weak team mate, I'm only going to say this, IMO he didn't have full support of Honda after 2006, and the wild and crazy Duck had to be tamed down for 6 engines in a season and even though I think the bike has improved there is still improvements that can be made and Rossi will find them. We also have to remember that larger displacement engines are coming and Hayden can ride the big bikes and I believe with Rossi's input both could develop one hell of a bike for 2012, so stay tuned......I just can't give up on Nicky just yet...not yet.



oh, I realize Biaggi hasn't won the WSBK championship yet, but it's lookin good.
 

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