Rossi does not attend award presentation

Jumkie said:

Ah I see. Canadians are cool, but u seem to be the exception, ha!

Dude, from your first exchange with me you have been rude and insulting, calling me a "......" and so forth. And I have yet to return the favor. And I've done this on purpose, because I want to draw you in on exchanges. As I've said, it's no fun without having a person to argue with, and your takes are gold for me. So let's not get all sensitive now with Pov. He's addressing you exactly how you have addressed others.

(With the exception, I have yet to really insult you. Again by design. Because I quite enjoy engaging you. For, well, obvious reasons.)


Povols point still stands, and that is Rossi tried to play it off masked around a facade. A rather easy one to unmask. The point being he is a fake. UNLIKE Lorenzo, who chose to make his comments directly, without the ........ crutch of making it sound humorous when in fact Rossi’s comments were as piercing as a dagger in the back.

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Do your own research. Internet forum dweller = schizoid/APD.

You, or anyone else can post whatever you want. I remain unconvinced and nothing you post will ever convince me. I'm too head strong to be converted to your life's cause. I know this may be very hard for you to swallow since VR has consumed your entire existence. Over to you bucko.. :spin:

paparazzo said:

Do your own research. Internet forum dweller = schzoid/APD.

You, or anyone else can post whatever you want. I remain unconvinced and nothing you post will ever convince me. I'm too head strong to be converted to your life's cause. I know this may be very hard for you to swallow since VR has consumed your entire existence. Over to you bucko.. :spin:

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Oh, i was convinced you wouldn't change your mind regardless of sound reason before you every responded to me. I had already noticed you before you decided to quote me. Of this I could prove, as I had texted as much to two members here. Which is funny that you should mention it. I sought you before you knew it. Your "like" button betrayed you. Its was/is a typical and predictable trait rather easily ascertained. There is a benefit to being active on a forum, admitted of very little real world use, as you point out. One of which is realizing a pattern of members of a particular ilk.

Now, this is fun, but I prefer to debate your racing takes, as this particular exchange is devoid of it.

Did you watch VRs post Sepang press conference? How do you feel about the first question a reporter asked him?

povol said:

And you fall for that fake ....?, REALLY?. How ....... dumb do you have to be to NOT see through the fake laughter and smiles when Rossi is pissed. You think he is happy and joking around with Carmelo when the 2 were having their little post game chat i suppose. Jesus Christ, we have been telling people for over a decade how fake that POS is. REALLY.

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Some of the new posters will doubtless not believe me, but whilst a supporter of Jorge and before him Stoner and Nicky, and preferring them to win obviously, I have had no animus against Rossi. This affair has demonstrated 2 things to me , firstly that it is not down merely to a crazy element among his fandom, he is fully complicit in the campaigns of vilification against every significant rival he has ever had, and secondly that the diamond/carborundum tough racer thing is all one way, since he can obviously whinge with the best of them when things don't go his way.

Can anyone imagine Mick Doohan approaching riders not to race him, or complaining about riders beating him, when he came back for the last 2 races of 1992, when the championship just as was the case this year was down to being winnable only by him and one other rider, Wayne Rainey. Apart from anything else he would have had to delegate any approach he cared to make given that he was unable to walk at the time.

paparazzo said:

Do your own research. Internet forum dweller = schizoid/APD.

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I know, it's only rock 'n roll, but I like it.

michaelm said:

Can anyone imagine Mick Doohan approaching riders not to race him, or complaining about riders beating him, when he came back for the last 2 races of 1992, when the championship just as was the case this year was down to being winnable only by him and one other rider, Wayne Rainey. Apart from anything else he would have had to delegate any approach he cared to make given that he was unable to walk at the time.

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I can no more imagine Doohan complaining of such, any more than I can imagine Bruce Lee turning down a fight against 50 guys all armed with nunchucks. Blasphemy! Unimaginable! I can however imagine Doohan punching a dude in the mouth if a rider did come to complain about racing him too hard.

.[/QUOTE]First of all, calm the .... down. No need to be a rude prick just because I don't happen to share your fanatical, out of control hate for VR.

Obviously he wanted to get his point across and of course he was being serious and believed in what he was saying. I'm just saying the way he presented it was not with anger or vitriolic and it was done with in a humorous way that got his message across. No one seemed to react with bitterness and everyone was laughing including the media. Heck, even I found it quite funny.

You can spin it any way you like I don't care but I saw people laughing and I did not see one dirty look or angry comment/insult from anyone. Chalk that up next to JL's post race presser, angry voice tone, vitriol laced comments, hands going up and down. God damn baby wasn't even involved. Same presser, look at DP's comments, totally composed got his message across neutral and with class.[/QUOTE]



Did we watch the same thing?
Jorge got the biggest laugh when he said "Yes Marc really helped me. Especially that last lap"

paparazzo said:

Obviously he wanted to get his point across and of course he was being serious and believed in what he was saying. I'm just saying the way he presented it was not with anger or vitriolic and it was done with in a humorous way that got his message across. No one seemed to react with bitterness and everyone was laughing including the media. Heck, even I found it quite funny.

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Then he went to the Italian press and it became apparent that humor was not his intended purpose. When you are attempting character assassination, the nervous laughter and mucking around is the sign of a coward who cant speak his mind.

Jumkie said:

Ah I see. Canadians are cool, but u seem to be the exception, ha!

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Isn't Justin Bieber a Canadian ........... (apologies to Canadians and the nation of Canada for linking the two) but ...., no way is Bieber cool

paparazzo said:

More tongue in cheek. Canadian taxpayers own almost 50% of Dorna (and F1) through the Canada Pension Plan. I thought you guys would pick up on this one...


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http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/business/cpp-invests-in-f1-motogp-racing-properties-1.1144657

It's old news,
In 2012, Canada Pension plan investment Corp invested in Dorna they bought 39% but since I it has been adjusted adjusted a even 40%.
Then a week later, they invested $400 Million in the Formula 1 group.
The press release was done on the same day.

It is strictly business to grow our pension plan fund to be able to pay a those baby boomers that a retiring.


Again, it's 2012 news.

Gaz said:

Isn't Justin Bieber a Canadian ........... (apologies to Canadians and the nation of Canada for linking the two) but ...., no way is Bieber cool

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The hate on this site is over the top. What makes you such an expert in music? How many hit records do you have? Although I'm no fan and don't listen to his music I can appreciate his talent however small or big it may be, music is pretty subjective after all.

shovelhead said:

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/business/cpp-invests-in-f1-motogp-racing-properties-1.1144657

It's old news,
In 2012, Canada Pension plan investment Corp invested in Dorna they bought 39% but since I it has been adjusted adjusted a even 40%.
Then a week later, they invested $400 Million in the Formula 1 group.
The press release was done on the same day.

It is strictly business to grow our pension plan fund to be able to pay a those baby boomers that a retiring.


Again, it's 2012 news.

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Obviously I'm well aware of all this, I posted that in response to someone else. Not sure why you needed to point that out to me but thanks for the education :unsure:

Jumkie said:

Oh, i was convinced you wouldn't change your mind regardless of sound reason before you every responded to me. I had already noticed you before you decided to quote me. Of this I could prove, as I had texted as much to two members here. Which is funny that you should mention it. I sought you before you knew it. Your "like" button betrayed you. Its was/is a typical and predictable trait rather easily ascertained. There is a benefit to being active on a forum, admitted of very little real world use, as you point out. One of which is realizing a pattern of members of a particular ilk.

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I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about above. English isn't my first language and I am not a regular to internet forum. I'm not being facetious, I truly have no clue what you mean. You may as well be speaking Chinese.

No I didn't see the the Rossi interview. Post a link where I can see it if you have it. I love the sport but it doesn't consume me.

jmmk said:

Did we watch the same thing?
Jorge got the biggest laugh when he said "Yes Marc really helped me. Especially that last lap"

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Yes we did watch the same thing. MM was also asked by a joornalist if he 'played with them' and he didn't seem to upset, rattled or angry.

povol said:

Then he went to the Italian press and it became apparent that humor was not his intended purpose. When you are attempting character assassination, the nervous laughter and mucking around is the sign of a coward who cant speak his mind.

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You have serious reading comprehension or maybe you are bending over backwards trying to spin this into something more sinister than it was. Character assassination my ..., he believed this was happening and he spoke his mind trying to be as less as an a-hole as possible.

Were you at the track at Phillip Island? Were you the one battling him for 30 laps? No you weren't. But VR and Andrea were, so I think they were in a better position than some armchair haters on a faceless forum who now even blame VR for MM's buldozing attempts at Assen and Argentina. Andrea also confirmed it, on MM 'Yes, Mark play with us I think, he was always slow out of 5 and I keep passing him with easy power' from what I remember him saying, so it's wasn't totally out of the question this is happening.

He could have been a bigger arsehole by calling him all sorts of adjectives like JLo used. And speaking of cowards and cry babies for that matter, I seriously doubt Jorge would use those words, that vitriolic tone or that body language if VR was at the post race Sepang press conference. You are not going to convince me this was anything sinister, he believed this was truly happening and said as such. I don't see anything cowardly about that and I don't care how hard you try and spin it otherwise.

paparazzo said:

You may as well be speaking Chinese.
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他妈的 !!

I have no idea how hard MM was trying at PI, only that his efforts were sufficient to win the race, which is why all other discussion concerning his effort or lack thereof, even by anyone else who was on the track including Valentino Rossi, is rather irrelevant.

Mick Doohan lost the 1992 championship, which he was winning in a canter until a terrible leg injury curtailed his cantering ability rather permanently, by 4 points. He came back and finished 12th and 6th in the last 2 races despite being unable to walk at the time in a vain attempt to maintain the lead he still had going into those 2 races, in which Wayne Rainey finished 1st and 3rd to win the championship. No whinging from Mick about riders not able to win the championship racing or beating him in those 2 races, nor any claims from the many Doohan fans on here or anyone else that the great Wayne Rainey should only have 2 rather than 3 championships. Mick crashed, Wayne didn't. That really is racing.

Rossi being faster than either one of Jorge or MM in the last 3 races would have been sufficient to win him the championship. He wasn't , he didn't. Tough.

michaelm said:

Rossi being faster than either one of Jorge or MM in the last 3 races would have been sufficient to win him the championship. He wasn't , he didn't. Tough.

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'The End'

michaelm said:

Rossi being faster than either one of Jorge or MM in the last 3 races would have been sufficient to win him the championship. He wasn't , he didn't. Tough.

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Its as simple as that. At PI, just how much did MM hold Rossi up?. When MM dropped the hammer on the last lap, why didnt Rossi go with him instead of falling into the clutches of Ianonne. Why didnt Rossi go with Lorenzo at Sepang. The simple answer to both is, he couldnt.

Sorry to bring it up again but thought some might like to read this.

Having postponed the release of the Sepang data from Marc Marquez's bike, to avoid any suggestion of trying to influence Valentino Rossi's CAS appeal, HRC again withheld the telemetry on Wednesday.

Rossi's request to have his Sepang penalty points, and therefore back of the grid Valencia start, suspended was rejected by the CAS last Thursday. The appeal itself is ongoing, but is widely seen as irrelevant now that the title has been won by Jorge Lorenzo.

The purpose of the data release was to back up claims by Marquez and Honda that he had fallen due to a kick from Rossi in their heated Sepang battle. This was denied by Rossi and not proven by Race Direction, which said TV images were inconclusive and only punished the Italian for deliberately forcing Marquez wide “resulting in contact causing the other rider to crash”.

The kick claim was repeated in a HRC written Q&A with vice president Shuhei Nakamoto, prompting an angry response from Yamaha, who described the kick claim as “not proven by the investigation of the Race Direction”.

Nakamoto had invited the media to look at the data, leading to the planned - then abandoned - Thursday press conference. A subsequent press conference was arranged for this afternoon at the Valencia test, but...

“I'm sorry also this time we don't make you happy,” said HRC team principal Livio Suppo. “This time it is not our choice, it is FIM and Dorna asking us to not put more fuel on the fire. We respect their ruling in this sport and so we accept their request.

“As we have said, sooner or later we would like to show this data. We said when we think it is appropriate. Since last time we spoke something even more happened [in the race], which is very sad for us because I personally cannot believe how people do not believe that Marc was desperately trying to win that race.

“Marc is a clever guy and he knows very well that if he is not in front of Jorge on Sunday then everybody will speak these stupid things. But this is the situation, we respect the FIM and Dorna, so sorry you will have to wait more for the data.”

Suppo and Nakamoto also wouldn't be drawn on rumours about Casey Stoner and Ducati: "Ask Casey."
Read more at MotoGP News - Valencia MotoGP Test: Honda postpones Sepang data - again

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michaelm said:

Can anyone imagine Mick Doohan approaching riders not to race him, or complaining about riders beating him, when he came back for the last 2 races of 1992, when the championship just as was the case this year was down to being winnable only by him and one other rider, Wayne Rainey. Apart from anything else he would have had to delegate any approach he cared to make given that he was unable to walk at the time.

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Except this is not what Rossi complained about. I'm not Rossi fan (actually I don't like him at all neither as a racer or like a person) and I'm glad he lost.
But that doesn't make so blind and biased to not understand what he was saying and what happened at Sepang.

Like in any race, if you are behind and you want win the race, you don't waste your tires on lap 5-6 when you're seconds away from the leading group.
If MM wanted to win the races he wouldn't have battled for the position on the lap 5-6 , because it doesn't make sense at all.

If MM had a faster pace than Rossi then Rossi wouldn't have passed him but rather followed along (since it was in his interest to catch up with the leading group). Since Rossi passed him more than once, it is clear MM was having a slower pace than Rossi during those laps. So why MM tried repeatedly tried to pass Rossi rather than follow along (and eventually pass him in the final laps if they weren't have been able to catch up with the leading group)?
Other than the logic above, the delay they accumulated in those laps confirms that.

Anyone who follows the races understood what was going on. It was too much evident actually. Rossi didn't complain because MM tried to get ahead of him in the race. Rossi complained because MM so getting ahead of him in the first laps something that wouldn't benefit MM's race (indeed they were getting more and more delay from the lead), while just hurt Rossi's one.
Rossi didn't ask MM to not beat him, just to not race to me him lose which is a different thing and if you can't understand that then I'm not sure if there's an easier way to explain it.

sonnet said:

Anyone who follows the races understood what was going on. It was too much evident actually.
Rossi didn't ask MM to not beat him, just to not race to me him lose which is a different thing and if you can't understand that then I'm not sure if there's an easier way to explain it.

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Any takers volunteers? I'm bored now.

- Who's coming on shift?

michaelm said:

Rossi being faster than either one of Jorge or MM in the last 3 races would have been sufficient to win him the championship. He wasn't , he didn't. Tough.

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I think it was Povol who said Rossi had the power to win this title in his own hands. Not exactly earth shattering insight, but the point had to be made to boppers looking for excuses.

The PRE-event press conference should have been Rossi’s cue to get the pole for Sepang race TWO days later. Then get a blinding start and blistering race pace to win since, in his mind, Marquez was out to get him. Then, after winning and leading every lap at Sepang, Rossi could have got on pole at Valencia, got a blinding start and blistering pace, win the race and WIN the championship!

Since he "KNEW" Marquez was out to get him, then he should have stayed ahead of him by the formula in Grand Prix racing to do so.

J4rn0, Papapozza, Talpa, would you like to debate this?

Arrabbiata1 said:

Any takers volunteers? I'm bored now.

- Who's coming on shift?

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Ruined!

JPSLotus said:

He faced subpar competition.

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All a matter of perspective no? Could one not equally submit that Rossi raised the benchmark? It's often said that when a superior competitor comes to the fold that it brings out the best in those around him. It's not as if Rossi knew in advance as a young boy that all the riders he would compete with in the future were relative slackers and he made a premeditated decision to take advantage of them all.


I think it's fair to say that the performance gap between the factories and the satellite teams has widened considerably over the last few decades and those most talented getting the limited number of full factory seats has created or at least aggravated the illusion of "aliens" existing in limited numbers.

In all events there's nothing unethical about being more talented than your competition.

Rossi's main problem is that his ambition has been eclipsed by his age. He's matured physically but not mentally.