Qatar Motorcycle Grand Prix - Round 19

Keshav · Nov 20, 2023

Faz said:
You didn’t suffer from toxic manhood in 2016 eh Mdub?

Glad you said it, and not me.

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MdubSTYLIE · Nov 20, 2023

Wildcat said:
I dont know but that was what his engineer said and also absolutely nobody was pissed at him winning the race so i tend to believe it

Well if thats the case, I have a bridge in New York I'd like to sell you.

Tell me what it is you believe. You believe that map 8 means something different to Gresini ducati than it does to the rest of the ducati teams? Do you really think the engineer would have said, yea DiGi ignored our message to not pass Pecco when we gave him the map 8 message? Do you think they happen to use map 8 which already has a meaning to tell DiGi somehting he already knows?

JFM01 · Nov 20, 2023

Perhaps mapping 8 just means switch positions?

I'm always in for a good anti-Tardozzi/Dall'Igna conspiracy theory but I don't think Jorge was intentionally given a crappy tire. Way too many people would have to be involved for that to make sense.

mylexicon · Nov 20, 2023

Bern1 said:
Wow man, if any of that is credible and/or true, it gives a whole new slant on conspiracy theory!

I see things that don't make sense, and I try to find the reason.

In my estimation, the participants want three things 1) revenue 2) safety 3) cost-efficiency, and they are probably in that order. Obviously, di Gianntonio winning a race doesn't put money in the collective pocketbook and it doesn't cut costs. Safety could be an option because new tires have been needed since before the pandemic, and those tires need to be tested in race conditions to make sure the performance is inline with expectations.

The glove fits, but does it exist? I don't know if it's possible to get IRTA and the MSMA onboard with in-race testing, and I'm unsure if information about in-race testing could trickle down to the crew chiefs and team mechanics (who use the tires) without information leaking.

But who knows, maybe this result it easily explained. Maybe Michelin has a special compound for cooler conditions, like those found at PI or Qatar (night race), and maybe Fabio really loves those tires. Maybe the same could be true for Rins last year. Of course, that would be a good cover story, too

You're welcome Michelin.

mikesbytes · Nov 20, 2023

Nicked from another forum

PRS717 · Nov 20, 2023

Barbedwirebikerr said:
Did anyone see Moto3? ....... jaume using complete dirt track tactics running sasaki deep, multiple times. And so early? Why, there's no benefit, no craft. That's dirty, followed Rossi tactical example against Marquez. Can't beat em, run em wide.

Over the season, Was actually level, happy for either, both showed class, craft and balls to get to the end. Yeah-mate massia became nah mate massia.

I just watched it and while I agree with you, it was Masia's teammate that struck the decisive blow and it was beyond obvious.

Keshav · Nov 20, 2023

MdubSTYLIE said:
That was awful and should have resulted in a lifetime ban.

I know there's an impassible gulf between club racing and MotoGp, but in terms of safety, the stakes are the same. Guys I knew back in the day used to pull that .... all the time with grabbing the other rider's brake lever. But honestly, nobody freaked out about it. And nobody ever got hurt. It was merely considered to be dumb hijinks and in "bad taste" and the offending rider would be banned for the weekend, assuming that is, that anyone filed a complaint.

Keshav · Nov 20, 2023

Wildcat said:
I never realised Pecco was drink driving and crashed on moto gp circuit. Unsure how that links to AE giving a little tap on FM helmet.

Yes, what one has to do with the other - is beyond me. A single stupid moment of bad decision making occurring away from the track should not reflect on the career of a rider who otherwise admirably performs the job he's paid to do and plays by the rules of the sport over the course of many years. I have always railed against the whole Calvinistic moralizing that is applied to sports figures. Sports are in essence what young warriors do as an acceptable substitute for killing on a battlefield. Soldiers are supposed to be held to a higher moral standard in order that they be able to kill in a morally justifiable manner so the ruling authorities can sleep well at night. But they're not drummed out of the core for minor .... like a one-time drunk driving charge. There needs to be a line drawn between a rider's responsibility on the track and his moral behavior in his personal life. There is this perception that because the public pay some small part of the riders's salary, paid for what they do trackside, that they should have a say in what the rider does in his personal life, regardless of whether or not it said behavior in any way impacts their behavior on the track. If I need someone to be a shining beacon of moral and ethical behavior in all facets of my life, I would more likely look to the Dalai Lama, not Pecco Bagnaia.

I understand that my position will not be popular with others.

And others understand that debating these deeply felt issues is largely what we do here and that I don't debate these things for the sake of getting anyone all bent of of shape. I don't anticipate as a rule, that I will change anyone's mind when it comes to deeply held beliefs. Agreeing to disagree is all part of the deal.

Peace Y'all.

Barbedwirebikerr · Nov 20, 2023

MdubSTYLIE said:
Trolling? Is birdbird their crew chief? But I am leaning toward them saying that to save face. I'm not sure if trolling your bike supplier is a good idea. Don't poke the bear. If you are right then and this is a case of trolling then I love it! Honestly we will never know unless someone comes out and says DiGi ignored the message. I am not going to buy the story that it was a message to go for it.

Perhaps so. Was reported across many sites as such. Though Gresini saving face also has plausibility. I'm also glad Digi didn't hold back to protect Pecco.

Faz · Nov 21, 2023

If we are to buy into the theory that Digi ignored team orders by winning would‘nt we then have to accept that Enea did the same the week before? The championship points situation was much closer in Malaysia so it would have made more sense in that instance for Enea to be told to drop back and finish between Pecco and Martin. This would have been very easy to achieve as there were 7 seconds separating Pecco and Martin at the finish. Thats the problem with conspiracy theories, where do they end?

mikesbytes · Nov 21, 2023

Plenty of conspiracy mems out there LOL

michaelm · Nov 21, 2023

Keshav said:
Yes, what one has to do with the other - is beyond me. A single stupid moment of bad decision making occurring away from the track should not reflect on the career of a rider who otherwise admirably performs the job he's paid to do and plays by the rules of the sport over the course of many years. I have always railed against the whole Calvinistic moralizing that is applied to sports figures. Sports are in essence what young warriors do as an acceptable substitute for killing on a battlefield. Soldiers are supposed to be held to a higher moral standard in order that they be able to kill in a morally justifiable manner so the ruling authorities can sleep well at night. But they're not drummed out of the core for minor .... like a one-time drunk driving charge. There needs to be a line drawn between a rider's responsibility on the track and his moral behavior in his personal life. There is this perception that because the public pay some small part of the riders's salary, paid for what they do trackside, that they should have a say in what the rider does in his personal life, regardless of whether or not it said behavior in any way impacts their behavior on the track. If I need someone to be a shining beacon of moral and ethical behavior in all facets of my life, I would more likely look to the Dalai Lama, not Pecco Bagnaia.

I understand that my position will not be popular with others.

And others understand that debating these deeply felt issues is largely what we do here and that I don't debate these things for the sake of getting anyone all bent of of shape. I don't anticipate as a rule, that I will change anyone's mind when it comes to deeply held beliefs. Agreeing to disagree is all part of the deal.

Peace Y'all.

Agree and disagree.

Sure he should be judged as a motogp rider on how he comports himself on track, which is more responsibly than many, while walking the walk at the end of the season 2 seasons in a row.

Agree he shouldn’t be required to be a role model off track in his early 20s either. Disagree drink driving is a minor peccadillo particularly for a guy who can probably afford a private jet let alone a limousine or uber/taxi. From accounts over the years more than a few posters on here have been wiped out by sober car drivers while riding let alone by drunk drivers.

mikesbytes · Nov 21, 2023

MdubSTYLIE · Nov 21, 2023

Faz said:
If we are to buy into the theory that Digi ignored team orders by winning would‘nt we then have to accept that Enea did the same the week before? The championship points situation was much closer in Malaysia so it would have made more sense in that instance for Enea to be told to drop back and finish between Pecco and Martin. This would have been very easy to achieve as there were 7 seconds separating Pecco and Martin at the finish. Thats the problem with conspiracy theories, where do they end?

The difference here is the map 8 message. Had Enea received it I would say he ignored team orders also. I wouldn't call this a conspiracy theory because we know what map 8 means and it does not mean 5 to go. Something that could have been written on his dash. There would be no reason to code it. Especially to a code that has a meaning that fit the situation. If the shoe fits.........

MdubSTYLIE · Nov 21, 2023

michaelm said:
Agree and disagree.

Sure he should be judged as a motogp rider on how he comports himself on track, which is more responsibly than many, while walking the walk at the end of the season 2 seasons in a row.

Agree he shouldn’t be required to be a role model off track in his early 20s either. Disagree drink driving is a minor peccadillo particularly for a guy who can probably afford a private jet let alone a limousine or uber/taxi. From accounts over the years more than a few posters on here have been wiped out by sober car drivers while riding let alone by drunk drivers.

The fact of the matter is if you have a job operating a motorized vehicle you will lose it and likely never be able to work a job like that again. Add to that the past track record is to be fired. The two times a rider in motogp have gotten a dui in the past they were fired and never raced in any level of racing for dorna again.

Keshav · Nov 21, 2023

Faz said:
If we are to buy into the theory that Digi ignored team orders by winning would‘nt we then have to accept that Enea did the same the week before? The championship points situation was much closer in Malaysia so it would have made more sense in that instance for Enea to be told to drop back and finish between Pecco and Martin. This would have been very easy to achieve as there were 7 seconds separating Pecco and Martin at the finish. Thats the problem with conspiracy theories, where do they end?

Conspiracy theories - on the whole, are for the most part, what stupid people use in the vain hope of sounding smart. That, and for making big bucks selling books to other stupid people, like the hundreds and hundreds of books of nonsense about the JFK assassination that continue to be published even now after 60 years.

Saffa · Nov 21, 2023

MdubSTYLIE said:
The difference here is the map 8 message. Had Enea received it I would say he ignored team orders also. I wouldn't call this a conspiracy theory because we know what map 8 means and it does not mean 5 to go. Something that could have been written on his dash. There would be no reason to code it. Especially to a code that has a meaning that fit the situation. If the shoe fits.........

Except no one knows 100% what it meant. Just because it meant something years ago, doesn't mean it's the same now.

Saffa · Nov 21, 2023

MdubSTYLIE said:
The fact of the matter is if you have a job operating a motorized vehicle you will lose it and likely never be able to work a job like that again. Add to that the past track record is to be fired. The two times a rider in motogp have gotten a dui in the past they were fired and never raced in any level of racing for dorna again.

Which is a complete overreaction, unless there were serious consequences, like innocent people involved etc. If you just drove your car into a wall, ditch, or whatever it was, it should be dealt with in the usual way, as it does for everyone else. The fact that some journos wanted him to apologise again and face further action was absolutely pathetic.

MdubSTYLIE · Nov 21, 2023

Saffa said:
Except no one knows 100% what it meant. Just because it meant something years ago, doesn't mean it's the same now.

Of all the things that could have been sent on DiGi's dash map 8 was sent is like a one in a million chance. For map 8 to go from team orders to 5 to go is nearly impossible. Add to that they were in a situation where the map 8 message would be given with its original meaning. I don't understand how so many of you buy that just because thats what they said after the race. Of course they weren't going to out DiGi for disobeying the message. There is no way he needed a dash reminder to be told when there was 5 to go. Also the same moment Peccos pace dropped off and the original map 8 meaning would have been relevant.

Saffa · Nov 21, 2023

MdubSTYLIE said:
Of all the things that could have been sent on DiGi's dash map 8 was sent is like a one in a million chance. For map 8 to go from team orders to 5 to go is nearly impossible. Add to that they were in a situation where the map 8 message would be given with its original meaning. I don't understand how so many of you buy that just because thats what they said after the race. Of course they weren't going to out DiGi for disobeying the message. There is no way he needed a dash reminder to be told when there was 5 to go. Also the same moment Peccos pace dropped off and the original map 8 meaning would have been relevant.

I'm not saying it meant 5 laps to go. I'm saying neither you or anyone other than Gressini knows what it meant. Those are the facts.

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