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Preziosi: Rossi is the greatest rider of all time

I totally agree nicky is now a test dummy.



I remember nicky,s comments when after first ride on Duc, “up caseys pay“ im sure we all remember how it went. Havent heard that come out of Vali.s mouth but the test times speak volumes to all dont they !



Is vali the goat ? After watching him struggle with duc and not being able to cope with its raw nature i say he is far from it.

I suggest spies would have circulated quicker and been able to adapt better on the duc test. With or without a sore shoulder.



Vali likes his bikes to handle like theyre on rails and smooth power delivery as well as big brakes, tell me a rider who doesnt require all of these to be perfect and only then he will be quick..... casey is by far the most adaptable rider out there, no question.



Now JB and his merry men will build vali a red yamaha and he will be on the pace again come new season.



Casey will start the season the way he finished the testing, on top. And prove to be the best its not up to a super team of the best engineers in the biz to build you a special bike its a lot to do with raw ability.



Cheers bring on, 2011.



Welcome to the forum. Please stick around, we need more sane people around here to counter the flipped out of their mind types.
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Nicky recognized that Stoner was amazing. Infact, Spies as said something similar. Its a great point you make, what rider doesn't need everything just right to win? Well it would appear that would be Casey Stoner.



Perhaps the best point of your post is the credit we give the riders. Everybody is so willing to say Rossi is the greatest, while ignoring the substantial advantages he's had throughout his career. We have a member here that still denies the existence of Michelin providing specially made tires for the man. Can you begin to imagine the great advantage this would provide a rider? Its the stick and ball equivalent of performance enhancing drugs.



Btw, prepare to be called a "hater". As is the custom around here to be labeled when you say something based on the reality of the sport. I know you don't hate Rossi, neither do I; but saying something that is mildly not worshiping every detail of his being is tantamount to a crime.
 
It is obvious that if Lorenzo becomes world champion he cannot be asked to leave... ! Rossi is not stupid. The pre-condition for laying down your own terms, is that you are the Champion. Or at the very least you must be leading the points at mid season. If not, it's time to look for 'new challenges'
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This is the salient point. Ducati's forward plan for 2008 prior to the 2007 season (that year again talpa) was very likely for melandri and capirossi to be their riders given they only signed stoner for 1 year. Rossi's situation was also a function of how few seats there are in motogp, even fewer of which are competitive. Given that honda had probably already committed to stoner before rossi's crash and that lorenzo was extremely likely to win the world championship once rossi crashed, this did not leave very many number 1 rider slots.



I rather doubt lorenzo will be keen for spies to have dual number 1 staus at yamaha next year either despite the strength of his previous convictions on this matter.
 
I totally agree nicky is now a test dummy.



I remember nicky,s comments when after first ride on Duc, “up caseys pay“ im sure we all remember how it went. Havent heard that come out of Vali.s mouth but the test times speak volumes to all dont they !



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Yeah .... Nicky does have a golden tongue at times doesn't he
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though I think he more put it " whatever they are paying Casey .... its not enough"
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Will be interesting to see how Rossi goes, and if he does make such a comment after a few more rides on the Duc.
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You know somethng nobody has touched on yet, but if it begins to look like Rossi is struggling, we may see Nicky up his game, hell if he can prove he is better than Rossi on that bike, I'm sure it will boost his confidence.
 
Journalists, they thrive on the big headlines and the psycho-drama. Anyway if you believe it and it's your vision I can respect that.

My vision is that any rider, Valentino included, gets what he wants only if he wins on the track, not by issuing ultimatums. Rossi knows that, Lorenzo knows that, Yamaha knows that. So the assumption for getting rid of Lorenzo in 2011, was that he had to win in 2010.



It is obvious that if Lorenzo becomes world champion he cannot be asked to leave... ! Rossi is not stupid. The pre-condition for laying down your own terms, is that you are the Champion. Or at the very least you must be leading the points at mid season. If not, it's time to look for 'new challenges'
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Are you saying the BBC changed Rossi's words to suit their agenda?

Unless that's what you're saying it's time to acknowledge that you are

wrong. Rossi's direct statement to the BBC is not really open to interpretation.
 
Welcome to the forum. Please stick around, we need more sane people around here to counter the flipped out of their mind types.
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Nicky recognized that Stoner was amazing. Infact, Spies as said something similar. Its a great point you make, what rider doesn't need everything just right to win? Well it would appear that would be Casey Stoner.



Perhaps the best point of your post is the credit we give the riders. Everybody is so willing to say Rossi is the greatest, while ignoring the substantial advantages he's had throughout his career. We have a member here that still denies the existence of Michelin providing specially made tires for the man. Can you begin to imagine the great advantage this would provide a rider? Its the stick and ball equivalent of performance enhancing drugs.



Btw, prepare to be called a "hater". As is the custom around here to be labeled when you say something based on the reality of the sport. I know you don't hate Rossi, neither do I; but saying something that is mildly not worshiping every detail of his being is tantamount to a crime.





So if we are to factor in all of these substantial advantages that you speak of, then essentially Rossi isn't really very good at all, actually probably only a top ten finisher if he was lucky.......



So in 1997 when Rossi was riding the same RS125 as many others with Dunlops and he won the title his bike must have been supercharged or something then? And in 1999 when he won the 250cc title on the same RS250 as many others he must have had special fuel or something then? Yep that explains it.



And in 2001 when he won the 500cc world title on the same, possibly a little worse as it wasn't the official factory bike, NSR500 as others-oh right yeah the overnight specials came in then.....yep so he didn't really deserve that one.



2002 and 2003 he didn't deserve because of the RC211V that bike was way too good and he was the only one on it, 2004 oh he beat the RC211V on the piss poor M1 but he didn't really deserve this one because of.........hmmmm must be the overnight specials that year too, which of course Sete and Max and other didn't have access too.



2005 no way he should have won that year, by then he'd had a full year to find cheats for the M1, and of course they perfected the Overnight specials by then. 2006 he didn't win, finally justice done, country kid done well-with the rather influential help from Mr H USA.



2007 justice done again, 2008 though, no overnight specials hmmmm, they must have been using Area 51 stuff by then, which carried on to 2009, and of course 2010 justice done again.



Your right Jum, Rossi really shouldn't have won anything, why are we talking about him at all, a hundred odd victories-surely he must be the biggest fraud in world sport? I think we should insight a coronial inquiry, the man's gotten away with murder.....
 
So if we are to factor in all of these substantial advantages that you speak of, then essentially Rossi isn't really very good at all, actually probably only a top ten finisher if he was lucky.......



So in 1997 when Rossi was riding the same RS125 as many others with Dunlops and he won the title his bike must have been supercharged or something then? And in 1999 when he won the 250cc title on the same RS250 as many others he must have had special fuel or something then? Yep that explains it.



And in 2001 when he won the 500cc world title on the same, possibly a little worse as it wasn't the official factory bike, NSR500 as others-oh right yeah the overnight specials came in then.....yep so he didn't really deserve that one.



2002 and 2003 he didn't deserve because of the RC211V that bike was way too good and he was the only one on it, 2004 oh he beat the RC211V on the piss poor M1 but he didn't really deserve this one because of.........hmmmm must be the overnight specials that year too, which of course Sete and Max and other didn't have access too.



2005 no way he should have won that year, by then he'd had a full year to find cheats for the M1, and of course they perfected the Overnight specials by then. 2006 he didn't win, finally justice done, country kid done well-with the rather influential help from Mr H USA.



2007 justice done again, 2008 though, no overnight specials hmmmm, they must have been using Area 51 stuff by then, which carried on to 2009, and of course 2010 justice done again.



Your right Jum, Rossi really shouldn't have won anything, why are we talking about him at all, a hundred odd victories-surely he must be the biggest fraud in world sport? I think we should insight a coronial inquiry, the man's gotten away with murder.....



Ahhhh... the master of understatement.
 
So if we are to factor in all of these substantial advantages that you speak of, then essentially Rossi isn't really very good at all, actually probably only a top ten finisher if he was lucky.......

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Your right Jum, Rossi really shouldn't have won anything, why are we talking about him at all, a hundred odd victories-surely he must be the biggest fraud in world sport? I think we should insight a coronial inquiry, the man's gotten away with murder.....

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Why do you do this Talps? Why?



You remind me of when Kropo burst your bubble by saying Rossi had too much power in the sport, then you rebutted with, well if he's so powerful, why doesn't he get rid of the bumps at Indy--your smoking gun to prove we are full of ..... Hahahaha.



Dude, when will you learn? (I know, I shouldn't hold my breath). The man is a great rider, this is not being disputed. Can you please retrieve your head from the sand (or come up for air, as you are attached to his member) to realize that benefiting from advantages does not mean he was gifted titles. Since you claim you've been watching a long time, surely you were around when the argument was Rossi couldn't compete against Stoner given the Bridgestone "advantage". I know you must have echoed this, since it was Rossi himself making sure the minions were on song. The man even threatened to retire if he had to ride under this duress, or as he called it, not having the proper tire performance to compete. Of course, I full expect you to revise the history, as even now, you are in full swing retelling the story as to why Rossi "actually" switched to Ducati. Come on man, really, I was thinking about this today, I wonder what's the point of arguing. I don't think you will ever accept or recognize the reality. Look now, here we have a situation that Ducati have announced, we must improve the bike, no, not that Rossi must rider like Stoner, but rather we, the manufacture, are defective. Why can't you see what this dynamic implies? That a rider like Rossi, unless he's on the best or better, that this kind of domination in results would not have been possible. That doesn't mean he wouldn't have won, but perhaps not with such over the top supremacy. How about if the reverse was true, where his rivals were given exclusive advantages, is it not within your capability to believe that he might not have won against such a stacked competition? Am I to believe, that given the recent indication to the contrary, something very rare, as Rossi has up until this year managed to have a situation where he made sure no challenge came from within his garage, on the same equipment, that Lorenzo beating him is just a freak anomaly? (I know that was a very complex sentence, feel free to read it several times). An anomaly that seemed to be carried over at the Ducati test? Rare indeed my friend. Oh how I would have loved for Casey to have said, I want Rossi as my teammate, I'll even ride on an incentive contract. We can only imagine, and you'd be right to say, Rossi would beat him, as it would be mere speculation. But we had an entire year, where Rossi's biggest whine was having a teammate given the same equipment. What a crime indeed.
 
And in 2001 when he won the 500cc world title on the same, possibly a little worse as it wasn't the official factory bike, NSR500 as others-oh right yeah the overnight specials came in then.....yep so he didn't really deserve that one.



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Don't kid yourself
 
Ah.......young Talpa................provocative opinions leave one stranded in a sea without lifeboats.
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Taken me 3 years to get the Avatar thing working...........luddite that I am!



Sorry abou the dribbling.....................just anticipating a great 2011 with Horhey and Casey battling it out for the title. (wishfull thinking??)

Ben, Dani , Vale and mad Marco (until his inevitable suspension) to have minor supporting roles.
 
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Yeah .... Nicky does have a golden tongue at times doesn't he
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though I think he more put it " whatever they are paying Casey .... its not enough"
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Will be interesting to see how Rossi goes, and if he does make such a comment after a few more rides on the Duc.
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You know somethng nobody has touched on yet, but if it begins to look like Rossi is struggling, we may see Nicky up his game, hell if he can prove he is better than Rossi on that bike, I'm sure it will boost his confidence.



Imagine that. Nicky had his tough first year, fought on and led casey in some races. If Rossi takes his time getting to grips with the Ducati, we could well see Hayden outpacing him for much of the year,



The R-boppers will be committing hari-kari by then!
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This is the salient point. Ducati's forward plan for 2008 prior to the 2007 season (that year again talpa) was very likely for melandri and capirossi to be their riders given they only signed stoner for 1 year. Rossi's situation was also a function of how few seats there are in motogp, even fewer of which are competitive. Given that honda had probably already committed to stoner before rossi's crash and that lorenzo was extremely likely to win the world championship once rossi crashed, this did not leave very many number 1 rider slots.



I rather doubt lorenzo will be keen for spies to have dual number 1 staus at yamaha next year either despite the strength of his previous convictions on this matter.



Exactly.

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These things are not that kind of formal "agreements" and do not need to be.

Look here, do you believe that, if Rossi had won the title again this year, Lorenzo would have stayed at Yamaha?

It's so obvious. It all depends only on results.
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Ahhh...so you are basing your strenuous rebuttal of my opinion on something you implied as fact without any evidence to support it. I truly expected more from you based on what I have read on this forum during my time as a lurker. Now to answer your question on whether Lorenzo would have stayed if Rossi beat him. Absolutely he would have 100% without a doubt. There is no way Lorenzo would risk jumping on another bike and failing as it would have been career and ego suicide.



Journalists, they thrive on the big headlines and the psycho-drama. Anyway if you believe it and it's your vision I can respect that.

My vision is that any rider, Valentino included, gets what he wants only if he wins on the track, not by issuing ultimatums. Rossi knows that, Lorenzo knows that, Yamaha knows that. So the assumption for getting rid of Lorenzo in 2011, was that he had to win in 2010.



It is obvious that if Lorenzo becomes world champion he cannot be asked to leave... ! Rossi is not stupid. The pre-condition for laying down your own terms, is that you are the Champion. Or at the very least you must be leading the points at mid season. If not, it's time to look for 'new challenges'
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Funny that because in 2007 Rossi LOST, in fact he didn't even come 2nd, but issued an ultimatum that if he did not get Bridgestones then he would leave MotoGP. My memory is pretty good but you can correct me if I am wrong but I think Rossi was on Bridgestones in 2008 and his team mate in an unprecedented move in the modern era was on Michelins.



This would clearly call into question your statement above that losers don't make ultimatums or if they do they don't get their way.



Now you say if Rossi won he could not be asked to leave. Well once again my memory is pretty good but I do not recall Yamaha asking Rossi to leave. What I do recall and as quoted above by Jumkie, Rossi gave the ultimatum that it was him or Lorenzo. Yamaha said we want you both and as we own the team we have made the decision to give Lorenzo equal rights on development and salary.



It is Rossi and no one else that decided that he could not exist in a team where someone else had the same rights as him.



I can not see even the slightest implication in any of the sequence of events where Yamaha gave an ultimatum to each rider that whoever won or was leading could stay and the other MUST leave.



There is only one other rider on the grid that refuses to allow his team mate to compete on equal grounds and that is Pedrosa. It is interesting that Pedrosa or his manager is considered Satan himself because of this yet the same does not apply to Rossi.



All of this is unfortunate for Rossi, as he is a legend who I have incredible respect for, but in the last 5 years he has been beaten to the Championship 3 times. Those 3 riders are still on the grid today and 2 of them at least have probably not even reach the halfway point in their career. Rossi, bless his heart, is nearing the end of his and due to the recent years, the level of the competition, the stage of his career and possibly one to many ultimatums his ability to manipulate the environment has taken a serious hit. He did not anticipate this and it has caught him out. I hope we do not see him unravel as it would be a great shame.
 
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Why do you do this Talps? Why?



You remind me of when Kropo burst your bubble by saying Rossi had too much power in the sport, then you rebutted with, well if he's so powerful, why doesn't he get rid of the bumps at Indy--your smoking gun to prove we are full of ..... Hahahaha.



Dude, when will you learn? (I know, I shouldn't hold my breath). The man is a great rider, this is not being disputed.





Well it was a simple question, let me pose another-if the man has so much power, how is it that we are still watching 800's, he's done nothing but be critical of the class from day one, how much power is too much power and how much of this 'too much power' actually makes a difference? So far you've only got your switch to Stones argument which has been rebutted many times successfully......



The fact that the man is a great rider is being, and has been, disputed by you and others, many, many times.......how else can we take comments like yours above, you've always said he's had unfair advantages which have been the deciding factor in his achievements- this doesn't make him great at all, so your in direct contrast with yourself.....yet again
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Remember Jum's Kropos a Journalist, feel free to continue with your head up his ..., but I personally don't believe every word that's written in the media. And whilst he's a credible source and we are fortunate to have him posting here, when he makes statements like 'Rossi has too much power' I would prefer some hard evidence to substantiate these fairly serious allegations, then of course I would be in a position to agree, rather than agreeing with an opinion.



Lets put it out there then.......

I'm serious mate, you seem to feel so strongly about the validity of Rossi's career achievements you really should launch an investigation to put your money where your mouth is, if as you say VR has consistently had unfair advantages over his competitors which has more than aided in his success, then this needs to be investigated, if things are this wrong then they should be fairly simple to prove, cheats are not tolerated.



Dorna is easy to contact

Lets put it to Kropo, Dave would you assist in an official investigation such as this?
 
Are you saying the BBC changed Rossi's words to suit their agenda?

Unless that's what you're saying it's time to acknowledge that you are

wrong. Rossi's direct statement to the BBC is not really open to interpretation.



Come on Keshav. You know perfectly well what I mean when I say journalists like to make headlines.





My point, I think, is abundantly clear. Lorenzo had to beat Rossi and become WC in order to stay on at Yamaha. It happened, and that is the only reason why he remained. And why Rossi left. One of the two had to go. If the opposite had happened, Lorenzo would have left.



The rest (losing face, etc.) is fantasy.



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Ahhh...so you are basing your strenuous rebuttal of my opinion on something you implied as fact without any evidence to support it. I truly expected more from you based on what I have read on this forum during my time as a lurker. Now to answer your question on whether Lorenzo would have stayed if Rossi beat him. Absolutely he would have 100% without a doubt. There is no way Lorenzo would risk jumping on another bike and failing as it would have been career and ego suicide.



How is it then that Jorge was talking to Honda and Ducati in 2009, the reason your boy left for Honda in the first place........? If Jorge lost again this year, there is no doubt he would have been looking seriously for another ride.



This would clearly call into question your statement above that losers don't make ultimatums or if they do they don't get their way.



Funnily enough, it was also very similar at LCR Honda in the middle and at the end of 2006.........





Now you say if Rossi won he could not be asked to leave. Well once again my memory is pretty good but I do not recall Yamaha asking Rossi to leave. What I do recall and as quoted above by Jumkie, Rossi gave the ultimatum that it was him or Lorenzo. Yamaha said we want you both and as we own the team we have made the decision to give Lorenzo equal rights on development and salary.



So in your mind you can justify equal salary and development for the guy who won you 4 world titles and turned the bike into the best on the grid against a rider who, at the time, hadn't even won a single Motogp title.........what planet are you from? Does the head programmer at Microsoft deserve the same salary as Bill Gates too?



It is Rossi and no one else that decided that he could not exist in a team where someone else had the same rights as him.



Firstly define 'rights' for if its the right to a better pay packet and the right to protect his development data then

As he should.......he's the nine time world champion, although this is in question here at powerslide too......



I can not see even the slightest implication in any of the sequence of events where Yamaha gave an ultimatum to each rider that whoever won or was leading could stay and the other MUST leave.



Unless you work for Fiat Yamaha management there's no way you could comment on this.....I certainly wouldn't imply it either way, because its a very big opinionated assumption.



There is only one other rider on the grid that refuses to allow his team mate to compete on equal grounds and that is Pedrosa. It is interesting that Pedrosa or his manager is considered Satan himself because of this yet the same does not apply to Rossi.



You'll be eating these words when Spies beats Jorge at a few rounds next year, if the wall is coming down at all.......?



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All of this is unfortunate for Rossi, as he is a legend who I have incredible respect for, but in the last 5 years he has been beaten to the Championship 3 times. Those 3 riders are still on the grid today and 2 of them at least have probably not even reach the halfway point in their career. Rossi, bless his heart, is nearing the end of his and due to the recent years, the level of the competition, the stage of his career and possibly one to many ultimatums his ability to manipulate the environment has taken a serious hit. He did not anticipate this and it has caught him out. I hope we do not see him unravel as it would be a great shame.



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Well it was a simple question, let me pose another-if the man has so much power, how is it that we are still watching 800's, he's done nothing but be critical of the class from day one, how much power is too much power and how much of this 'too much power' actually makes a difference? So far you've only got your switch to Stones argument which has been rebutted many times successfully......



The fact that the man is a great rider is being, and has been, disputed by you and others, many, many times.......how else can we take comments like yours above, you've always said he's had unfair advantages which have been the deciding factor in his achievements- this doesn't make him great at all, so your in direct contrast with yourself.....yet again
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Remember Jum's Kropos a Journalist, feel free to continue with your head up his ..., but I personally don't believe every word that's written in the media. And whilst he's a credible source and we are fortunate to have him posting here, when he makes statements like 'Rossi has too much power' I would prefer some hard evidence to substantiate these fairly serious allegations, then of course I would be in a position to agree, rather than agreeing with an opinion.



Lets put it out there then.......

I'm serious mate, you seem to feel so strongly about the validity of Rossi's career achievements you really should launch an investigation to put your money where your mouth is, if as you say VR has consistently had unfair advantages over his competitors which has more than aided in his success, then this needs to be investigated, if things are this wrong then they should be fairly simple to prove, cheats are not tolerated.



Dorna is easy to contact

Lets put it to Kropo, Dave would you assist in an official investigation such as this?



Here's the difficulty: Any journalist with the guts to investigate Rossi's influence over the series would be buried under a deluge of .... from Rossi fans all over the world. Then there's the fact that getting anyone to speak on the record about Rossi's power is just about impossible, for the same reason - paddock players are just as unwilling to be buried under a pile of .... as journalists are. Thirdly, getting a straight answer out of Dorna will happen once pigs are spotted flying over the skating rinks of hell (7th circle excepted). Fourthly, such an investigation would lead to a sudden and inexplicable oversubscription of Dorna's press resources, meaning there was no more room in the media center for the journalist who carried it out, and they would regretfully be forced to reject his application for a media pass, or ask him to return the one he had already been issued with (in the past, even Michael Scott, probably the series' most prominent journalist, has had his pass pulled for asking "inappropriate" questions). Dorna, after all, are in charge of media accreditation as well as running the series. Ask Carmelo Ezpeleta whether Valentino Rossi has too much power, and he will tell you that Rossi is a very important rider, but that he is just a rider.



There are only three or four journalists in the paddock who would be able to do such an investigation (in terms of their own connections and political power), and I'm not one of them. Of those who are in a position to do so, there is probably only one who has any interest in doing so, but he has plenty of other fish to fry before he gets to that issue.



My own view is that Rossi wields an awful lot of power in the paddock, but that does not mean he runs the series. He is one of the major factors which dominates the series, but if it's Rossi vs the factories, the factories win, as they still fund the series to a greater extent than Rossi does. So, for example, Rossi wants rid of electronics, but the factories don't, so we won't get rid of electronics, or at least not until the CRT project is stable enough to be able to risk losing a factory or two. However, Rossi wanted Bridgestones, he got Bridgestones. Rossi wants astroturf on the outside of turns, Rossi gets astroturf. Even then, Rossi has allies in the circuits (who also want astroturf because of costs and car racing), and he can offer a concession to the other riders, in pushing for one type of astroturf to be used everywhere, something he is also in favor of.



Rossi is very powerful, but that can be both a good thing and a bad thing. He has been a very strong advocate for rider safety, and a lot of changes have been made which have benefited the riders and the series. When Rossi speaks, the world listens. But Rossi is also a sportsman, which means he will also use whatever leverage he can to gain an advantage for himself, just like every other rider in the paddock, so if he sees an opportunity, he seizes it, and 9 times out of 10, he comes out smelling of roses.



Anyway, as you said, I am just a journalist, and a junior one at that. I try to report things as I see them, but I am neither omniscient nor infallible. You should carefully consider everything I say, and see whether it fits the facts as you know them. My only word of warning to everyone who reads anything in the media is not to let their own prejudices cloud their thinking, or at least, to acknowledge it when they do. That goes to fans of every rider in the paddock, from Valentino Rossi to Casey Stoner, via Nicky Hayden and Jorge Lorenzo, through Toni Elias, Marc Marquez to Louis Rossi.
 
I can not see even the slightest implication in any of the sequence of events where Yamaha gave an ultimatum to each rider that whoever won or was leading could stay and the other MUST leave.



Lin Jarvis has always said they wanted to keep both their riders. He also said that once Casey Stoner announced he was leaving Ducati, they realized they would lose one or the other of their riders.





But then again, he would say that, wouldn't he?
 
My point, I think, is abundantly clear. Lorenzo had to beat Rossi and become WC in order to stay on at Yamaha. It happened, and that is the only reason why he remained. And why Rossi left. One of the two had to go. If the opposite had happened, Lorenzo would have left.



So you think that Yamaha subscribed to Rossi's ultimatum and went as far as telling their riders this would be the case? I have seen no evidence to support that at all.



How is it then that Jorge was talking to Honda and Ducati in 2009, the reason your boy left for Honda in the first place........? If Jorge lost again this year, there is no doubt he would have been looking seriously for another ride.



Lorenzo has said on many occasions that he wanted to be in the same team as Rossi, and that he would prefer Rossi to be staying next year. Do you believe that Yamaha would have insisted Lorenzo left or are you suggesting he has been lying throughout his motogp career.



So in your mind you can justify equal salary and development for the guy who won you 4 world titles and turned the bike into the best on the grid against a rider who, at the time, hadn't even won a single Motogp title.........what planet are you from? Does the head programmer at Microsoft deserve the same salary as Bill Gates too?



This sport doesn't wait around for centimental decisions. Yes Rossi's history with Yamaha is un-matched, but Lorenzo's level of performance (when equal treatment was agreed) justified that decision, and Lorenzo has since gone on to exceed Rossi level of performance.
 
Here's the difficulty: Any journalist with the guts to investigate Rossi's influence over the series would be buried under a deluge of .... from Rossi fans all over the world. Then there's the fact that getting anyone to speak on the record about Rossi's power is just about impossible, for the same reason - paddock players are just as unwilling to be buried under a pile of .... as journalists are. Thirdly, getting a straight answer out of Dorna will happen once pigs are spotted flying over the skating rinks of hell (7th circle excepted). Fourthly, such an investigation would lead to a sudden and inexplicable oversubscription of Dorna's press resources, meaning there was no more room in the media center for the journalist who carried it out, and they would regretfully be forced to reject his application for a media pass, or ask him to return the one he had already been issued with (in the past, even Michael Scott, probably the series' most prominent journalist, has had his pass pulled for asking "inappropriate" questions). Dorna, after all, are in charge of media accreditation as well as running the series. Ask Carmelo Ezpeleta whether Valentino Rossi has too much power, and he will tell you that Rossi is a very important rider, but that he is just a rider.



There are only three or four journalists in the paddock who would be able to do such an investigation (in terms of their own connections and political power), and I'm not one of them. Of those who are in a position to do so, there is probably only one who has any interest in doing so, but he has plenty of other fish to fry before he gets to that issue.



My own view is that Rossi wields an awful lot of power in the paddock, but that does not mean he runs the series. He is one of the major factors which dominates the series, but if it's Rossi vs the factories, the factories win, as they still fund the series to a greater extent than Rossi does. So, for example, Rossi wants rid of electronics, but the factories don't, so we won't get rid of electronics, or at least not until the CRT project is stable enough to be able to risk losing a factory or two. However, Rossi wanted Bridgestones, he got Bridgestones. Rossi wants astroturf on the outside of turns, Rossi gets astroturf. Even then, Rossi has allies in the circuits (who also want astroturf because of costs and car racing), and he can offer a concession to the other riders, in pushing for one type of astroturf to be used everywhere, something he is also in favor of.



Rossi is very powerful, but that can be both a good thing and a bad thing. He has been a very strong advocate for rider safety, and a lot of changes have been made which have benefited the riders and the series. When Rossi speaks, the world listens. But Rossi is also a sportsman, which means he will also use whatever leverage he can to gain an advantage for himself, just like every other rider in the paddock, so if he sees an opportunity, he seizes it, and 9 times out of 10, he comes out smelling of roses.



Anyway, as you said, I am just a journalist, and a junior one at that. I try to report things as I see them, but I am neither omniscient nor infallible. You should carefully consider everything I say, and see whether it fits the facts as you know them. My only word of warning to everyone who reads anything in the media is not to let their own prejudices cloud their thinking, or at least, to acknowledge it when they do. That goes to fans of every rider in the paddock, from Valentino Rossi to Casey Stoner, via Nicky Hayden and Jorge Lorenzo, through Toni Elias, Marc Marquez to Louis Rossi.



Thanks Dave, great Insight. And the level of 'power' you originally meant is now far clearer, as others had slightly distorted the comment.



As for the investigation, I still think Jum's is the man for the job, he loves taking .... from Rossi fans
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