Preziosi: Rossi is the greatest rider of all time
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Maybe rossi sandbagged (await povols terminology lesson) to scare Ducati into spending on the 2011 bike.
The important thing is you learned something.
The important thing is you learned something.
Yeah, I learned some use a play on a word to detract from the fact they were talking out of there arse !
Joined Aug 2007
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Pomona NY
Given the known facts, ie:Rossi demanded the ouster of Lorenzo as a precondition to his staying, how else would you
care to explain his walking away from a happy profitable relationship, and the bike (which he has pointed out time and
again) that has been his baby for all this time?
I haven't said he couldn't get anything else. I'm sure Suzuki would have loved to have Rossi on-board. Honda too...
but that would mean eating crow.
I doubt suzuki would have wanted rossi. Their heart really is not in the sport, there only there due to a legal obligation. The winner was going to stay at yam as was said here earlier, once rossi broke his leg he new to shop for another ride. No fighting, no argument, a bit like paying up on a losing bet.
Joined Aug 2007
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Pomona NY
My point is that J4rno has implied that Rossi had options other than Ducati - and I was ruling out Suzuki
as we all know that would not be considered seriously and that Honda is a bridge well burned. Hence
unless there's another company making MGP bikes that no one else has heard of - Rossi did not have
any options once he left Yamaha. I know J4rno must know this. For him to imply otherwise would mean
he's intellectually sandbagging.
My point is that J4rno has implied that Rossi had options other than Ducati - and I was ruling out Suzuki
as we all know that would not be considered seriously and that Honda is a bridge well burned. Hence
unless there's another company making MGP bikes that no one else has heard of - Rossi did not have
any options once he left Yamaha. I know J4rno must know this. For him to imply otherwise would mean
he's intellectually sandbagging.
Honda is not a burned bridge at all. All the people who were at honda when vale fell out with them have gone. They have stated a while back that they would love rossi back. The only reason Honda was not a choice this time around was because stoner was quicker off the mark in talking to them then singing. I think Rossi wanted to go to ducati now for 3 reasons.
1. It's an italian bike
2. the record of winning on 3 different makes in the premier class
3. A new challenge
My point is that J4rno has implied that Rossi had options other than Ducati - and I was ruling out Suzuki
as we all know that would not be considered seriously and that Honda is a bridge well burned. Hence
unless there's another company making MGP bikes that no one else has heard of - Rossi did not have
any options once he left Yamaha. I know J4rno must know this. For him to imply otherwise would mean
he's intellectually sandbagging.
He actually had three offers in Motogp alone, F1 and WRC were calling very loudly too........
There is only 2 places VR could have gone, Honda or Ducati. Or of course the triple tuning fork had dollars down to keep him too.....
Firstly, VR has won 3 titles with Honda, no point in going back there after the 03 break up. Are you really suggesting that Honda didn't have an offer on the table, or ready to be placed?
Secondly, VR has 4 titles with Yamaha, Job done, Jorge's there winning, Spies in the wings. The only challenge is to hang around and beat Jorge again on the M1, which he's done already twice. Much bad blood after infamous pay situation, but obviously no where near as much than at Honda in 03 after the bye bye baby at Valencia.
Thirdly, the man doesn't have ten years left in the sport, more like 2 or 3 competitive season's. Only thing left to do is make the Duck work consistently, which is what Stoner, Loris, Marco or Nicky haven't done, quite a challenge but certainly a worthy task for someone who's won it all- many times......
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Pomona NY
He actually had three offers in Motogp alone, F1 and WRC were calling very loudly too........
There is only 2 places VR could have gone, Honda or Ducati. Or of course the triple tuning fork had dollars down to keep him too.....
Firstly, VR has won 3 titles with Honda, no point in going back there after the 03 break up. Are you really suggesting that Honda didn't have an offer on the table, or ready to be placed?
Secondly, VR has 4 titles with Yamaha, Job done, Jorge's there winning, Spies in the wings. The only challenge is to hang around and beat Jorge again on the M1, which he's done already twice. Much bad blood after infamous pay situation, but obviously no where near as much than at Honda in 03 after the bye bye baby at Valencia.
Thirdly, the man doesn't have ten years left in the sport, more like 2 or 3 competitive season's. Only thing left to do is make the Duck work consistently, which is what Stoner, Loris, Marco or Nicky haven't done, quite a challenge but certainly a worthy task for someone who's won it all- many times......
We're not talking about offers outside the realm of MGP. To even mention that is pure pettifogging. I'm sure Rossi could scare up offers to model men's underwear and all kinds of other things, but for purposes of our discussion - we're talking MGP the sport that Rossi does not not want to leave - except on his terms.
He won't be going back to Honda for the same reason he left Honda - namely the issue of being treated like the plastic groom
on the wedding cake, just decoration for the bike. And yes under the circumstances he has no choice but to do everything in
his power to make the Duc a viable bike. I hope like hell he does because if he succeeds it will make the bike viable for all
the other poor (talented) .......s who are currently flailing away on it - which would make things much more interesting all around. BTW - your point #3 only further validates the proposition that Vale's options are limited.
Joined Oct 2007
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Tuscany, Italy
NO. What I said is that he could stay at Yamaha.
Rossi had not 'demanded' that Lorenzo be fired expecting that Yamaha would simply oblige his wish. He told Yamaha a choice was needed, but he knew very well that the choice was to be made on the the basis of this year's results. What he wanted to do was to beat Lorenzo for the second year in a row (actually third, but the first one was Jorge's rookie year so we discount it). Then, Lorenzo would have left Yamaha -- be sure.
Things did not quite work out his way. Still Yamaha offered him a 2 years contract.
The opinion that he would 'lose face' accepting that contract is -- excuse me -- a little naif.
He chose to go -- that's all. Still the option was there.
Also, you should take a look at that:
Interesting, huh?
Code:
1.free practice Friday
Valentino ROSSI ITA Fiat Yamaha Team 1.33.714
2.free practice Friday
Valentino ROSSI ITA Fiat Yamaha Team 1.33.661
3.free practice Friday
Valentino ROSSI ITA Fiat Yamaha Team 1.33.418
Valencie - test MotoGP, final state in 17.00 throw
Valentino Rossi ITA Ducati Marlboro Team 1.33.882
Valencie - test MotoGP, final position 2. of the day
Valentino Rossi ITA Ducati Marlboro Team 1.33.761Interesting, huh?
Joined Jun 2007
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Norah Head
I think a lot of folk are playing down these "two days of test" way too easily by forgetting the saga that has unfolded with Ducati and their riders. This two days test was "crunch time" for all those, over the past four years, that have said that the Ducati is the best bike on the grid and thats what got Stoner wins.
The talk was allways of how Rossi could win on it, disregarding Melandri, Hayden, Capi, Kalio, etc. etc. etc. ...... Rossi has performed at these "just a tests" worse than many there. It doesn't just put fuel o the fire of the folk that have said all along that it was Stoner that made the Ducati look good, It throws a stick of Dynamite on the fire! And indeed this was the only oportunity for Rossi to disprove the supremacy of Stoner, as over the next few months the bike that Rossi and JB get will be no longer the bike that Stoner, Melandri, Hayden, etc. etc. rode and struggled with.
The only pity is that we never got to see Stoner ride Rossi's Yamaha, though I expect we all have a good idea now of what the outcome would have been.
Now, after these tests, we cannot say the same of Rossi's ability to be fast on "anything" indeed he has proven he needs a very well prepared bike. Injury or not, the last few rides of Ross on a Yam, are very very different to his ride on The Duc., to blame it on anything but Rossi's inability to ride the Duc. ( ergo "any other bike" ) is now a "known nonsence".
Stoner ......... 2nd place on his last ride , 1st on the new ride.
Rossi ........... 3rd on his last ride , 15th on his new ride
Stoner on the Duc ........ 2nd,
Rossi on that Duc. ....... 15th
the data is pretty damning.
So in the Stoner or Rossi "can ride anything", that has raged for 4 years, its Stoner yes Rossi no.
But lets see what the future holds. It could go two ways, Rossi further confirms the supremacy of Stoner, or he confirms he can get there on a bike made for him.
But ........ I am also aware that the guy is getting on in age, and that may be playing its part.
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Norah Head
I wonder if Rossi feels the same as you on that fairytale
Rossi has an aweful lot to do to claw up to Stoner's performance on the Duc.
Here is a new interview from JB about the test and the fake shulder injury.
Burgess: No panic over Rossi test pace
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88341
((By Michele Lostia and Matt Beer))
Valentino Rossi's chief engineer Jeremy Burgess says the Italian's slow times in his maiden test for Ducati are no cause for panic.
The seven-time MotoGP champion was only eighth and 15th on his first two days of running with his new team at Valencia last week.
But Burgess, who was followed Rossi to Ducati after achieving great success with him at Honda and Yamaha, said the Valencia sessions were largely for acclimatisation and there was no need to top the times.
"There's no reason to panic, despite Valentino's unusual test results," Burgess told Motosprint.
"Everything was new for Valentino as it was for myself and my team."~
He admitted that there was a great deal of change to adjust to at Ducati.
"We've all found ourselves in contact with a bike very different from the Japanese ones, and therefore with a different work method," Burgess said.
"The Ducati reacts differently, so this is a time to be handled with calmness by us too, just to understand things.
"After years of Japanese bikes, and seven seasons at Yamaha, for Valentino to get on the Ducati was a sort of culture shock.
"This bike is a lot more physical, the way to make it turn with the required precision is certainly the thing we must focus on at the moment."
Burgess added: "Everyone likes to be at the top of the timesheets, after every test session, but I knew Valentino would get on the track to do a different job: he wanted to ride to understand the bike, not to do record laps.
"He kept himself within wide margins, he certainly didn't ride as if it was a race weekend. For sure we've understood that to make the Ducati turn, you need a bigger effort than what Valentino was used to, physically too, and we didn't expect that."
Burgess also believes that Rossi was suffering particularly badly with his shoulder injury - which has since undergone surgery - at the test.
"No one has focused on one aspect: his shoulder," said Burgess.
"Valentino has held on in order to finish the season, and two extra days have put strain on his already suffering shoulder.
"On the second day Valentino could barely do three or four laps in a row, and without ever pushing. This has influenced his test."
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And hereby he pi$$ed on a lot of dreams.
Burgess: No panic over Rossi test pace
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88341
((By Michele Lostia and Matt Beer))
Valentino Rossi's chief engineer Jeremy Burgess says the Italian's slow times in his maiden test for Ducati are no cause for panic.
The seven-time MotoGP champion was only eighth and 15th on his first two days of running with his new team at Valencia last week.
But Burgess, who was followed Rossi to Ducati after achieving great success with him at Honda and Yamaha, said the Valencia sessions were largely for acclimatisation and there was no need to top the times.
"There's no reason to panic, despite Valentino's unusual test results," Burgess told Motosprint.
"Everything was new for Valentino as it was for myself and my team."~
He admitted that there was a great deal of change to adjust to at Ducati.
"We've all found ourselves in contact with a bike very different from the Japanese ones, and therefore with a different work method," Burgess said.
"The Ducati reacts differently, so this is a time to be handled with calmness by us too, just to understand things.
"After years of Japanese bikes, and seven seasons at Yamaha, for Valentino to get on the Ducati was a sort of culture shock.
"This bike is a lot more physical, the way to make it turn with the required precision is certainly the thing we must focus on at the moment."
Burgess added: "Everyone likes to be at the top of the timesheets, after every test session, but I knew Valentino would get on the track to do a different job: he wanted to ride to understand the bike, not to do record laps.
"He kept himself within wide margins, he certainly didn't ride as if it was a race weekend. For sure we've understood that to make the Ducati turn, you need a bigger effort than what Valentino was used to, physically too, and we didn't expect that."
Burgess also believes that Rossi was suffering particularly badly with his shoulder injury - which has since undergone surgery - at the test.
"No one has focused on one aspect: his shoulder," said Burgess.
"Valentino has held on in order to finish the season, and two extra days have put strain on his already suffering shoulder.
"On the second day Valentino could barely do three or four laps in a row, and without ever pushing. This has influenced his test."
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And hereby he pi$$ed on a lot of dreams.
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Norah Head
Do you really think he is faking it
Why?
I think they are playing it up a bit more than any other rider, but saying he is faking it is taking it a bit too far
Boppers
Do you really think he is faking it?
Why?
I think they are playing it up a bit more than any other rider, but saying he is faking it is taking it a bit too far
Boppers
I thought his injury was fake and only an excuse for the losers like you. This shows he nicely beat your god anyway. i know your still crying that he finished in front of Stoner, so cry me a river.
Wanna become a nasscar driver because your both poor and supid? then you have my vote.
and for once try to see that "alien antena" out of your ....
Edit:
Anyway you made it clear that your one of those who JB just pi$$ed on his dreams.
Are you still mad that JB didn't follow your bs to Honda?
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Norah Head
^^
WOW ........ thats telling me
Meltdown fella!
you are losing it.
This is not one of those loving Valentino sites.
So not everything you read here will be sunshine, roses, powder puffs, sparkles, love hearts, fairytale endings, hero worship, idol infatuation, blinded diatribe ....... whatever ......
some folk don't get that, and its not what MGP is about for them, get used to it.
Now back to the topic at hand ......... who says Rossi is faking it? Name names. Show us where.
Otherwise accept that its just you and your fellow boppers wanting to dramatise it for the sake of excuses. Then get over it and move on like the rest of the world. Oh but perhaps first I'd better inform you ....... there is a world outside of Rossi
WOW ........ thats telling me
Meltdown fella!
This is not one of those loving Valentino sites.
So not everything you read here will be sunshine, roses, powder puffs, sparkles, love hearts, fairytale endings, hero worship, idol infatuation, blinded diatribe ....... whatever ......
some folk don't get that, and its not what MGP is about for them, get used to it.
Now back to the topic at hand ......... who says Rossi is faking it? Name names. Show us where.
Otherwise accept that its just you and your fellow boppers wanting to dramatise it for the sake of excuses. Then get over it and move on like the rest of the world. Oh but perhaps first I'd better inform you ....... there is a world outside of Rossi
^^
WOW ........ thats telling me
Meltdown fella!you are losing it.
This is not one of those loving Valentino sites.
So not everything you read here will be sunshine, roses, powder puffs, sparkles, love hearts, fairytale endings, hero worship, idol infatuation, blinded diatribe ....... whatever ......
some folk don't get that, and its not what MGP is about for them, get used to it.
Now back to the topic at hand ......... who says Rossi is faking it? Name names. Show us where.
Otherwise accept that its just you and your fellow boppers wanting to dramatise it for the sake of excuses. Then get over it and move on like the rest of the world. Oh but perhaps first I'd better inform you ....... there is a world outside of Rossi
Nor is a Rossi hating site, It's some Loser's like you and some other's who cant shut up, when they have nothing to say and their hero is beaten. so why instead of crying in your home alone for the Real reason's (like watching your hero finishing in 4th), you take your pain and anger at Rossi fans.
Dont take that interview serious, continue party and dreaming. and use some more emoticons maybe people think your Very right.
I know your Real problem is JB's interview, so dont fake it and come with some new bs.
Joined Jun 2007
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Norah Head
Nor is a Rossi hating site, It's some Loser's like you and some other's who cant shut up, when they have nothing to say and their hero is beaten. so why instead of crying in your home alone for the Real reason's (like watching your hero finishing in 4th), you take your pain and anger at Rossi fans.
Dont take that interview serious, continue party and dreaming. and use some more emoticons maybe people think your Very right.
I know your Real problem is JB's interview, so dont fake it and come some come new bs.
Reply to the "titanic don't panic" JB post on that thread
