Preziosi: Rossi is the greatest rider of all time
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And as I said before, we all know who your boy is.
So in your opinion then, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Stoner won because he is the fastest rider on the planet and Rossi only won because of Unfair advantages and Ultimatums.
Of course, if you had read the thread properly, you would see that I'm actually not trying to discredit Stoner's title at all, all I'm trying to do is get Jum to answer the question, for if Rossi's dominance was only because of 'Unfair' advantages then when another rider dominates like he has then surely the same theory can apply. An 'Unfair' advantage is just that, no matter how its attained.
My argument is that Rossi's dominance in 01,02,03,04,05,08,09 is mainly due to the same advantage you applied to Stoners 07 above, others like yourself are saying that VR's career is riddled with ultimatums, bespoke equipment and back room deals which have been the main contributing factors to his success. Of course we are copping abuse for our opinions, but hey no one has provided proper evidence to prove the allegations and actually to the contrary-Kropo has shed some very interesting light which has seriously damaged some of the detractors key theories.
Right, so I'm not Pinky anymore, I'm promoted to SuperShit, Thank you!
So now you've been proven wrong let me get this straight, you want me to LEAVE THE FORUM if you can show that somewhere buried in ten thousand odd posts you've stated that other riders also received overnight specials consistently, which essentially disproves your Key 'theory' on discrediting Rossi's success whilst riding with Michelin's. As far as I can remember, and I've only been actively posting for just over 12 months, you've only ever stated that Rossi's key ingredient to success was the overnight specials, and that he was the only one getting them, I've argued this point with you many times stating that others could also get them, and did get them.
Obviously you feel I'm worse than the likes of BM, Pinky and SuperShit and that I need to leave the forum because I'm challenging you on your opinions and calling for explanations based on facts, which you haven't yet provided.
Ok no problem, I'll go. Find me 'those' posts, and find me proof that any other riders had to pay for overnight specials.
The above blank space is my response to you. This is how I will respond to you in future as you are a complete ..... who can not read and interpret anything but your warped view of the world of MotoGP. It does not matter what is written you will just see hate hate hate when it does not exist. Your posts are as boring as they are predictable. It is unfortunate for Rossi that he has fans like you.
If others treated you with the same blank response maybe you would go away and the discussion could happen here free of irrational attacks and keyboard dribble.
hmmm yes blank, and abuse instead answering very direct questions relating to Motogp, the above has nothing to do with Motogp but instead personal attacks.. Very intellectual response, you are the benchmark for valuable, unbiased disscusion
You ....... guys make me laugh.
Im sitting here pissed as a fart reading page after page of Stoner this, rossi that, lorenzo this... for ..... sake give it a rest & you wonder there are members who dont ....... post very often.
But while im here -
1. EVERY person in ANY sport will try to gain some sort of an advantage - its called competition.
2. Rossi had an advantage with frenchie overnighters BUT so did others, he just made the best use of the advantage.
3. Stoner had an advantage in 07 BUT so did others, he just made the best use of them.
As ive said before on another thread - If YOU were in the position of being let down by your tyre supplier by bad performing equipment & the only way to win was to get your hands on the ones that would allow you to win, YOU would do the same. If you say no then you are either a Liar or a fool!!
Last point & the most important
All these guys are in a different world to any of us so for you to question their championchips is ....... ridiculous.
Rant Over!!!
Im sitting here pissed as a fart reading page after page of Stoner this, rossi that, lorenzo this... for ..... sake give it a rest & you wonder there are members who dont ....... post very often.
But while im here -
1. EVERY person in ANY sport will try to gain some sort of an advantage - its called competition.
2. Rossi had an advantage with frenchie overnighters BUT so did others, he just made the best use of the advantage.
3. Stoner had an advantage in 07 BUT so did others, he just made the best use of them.
As ive said before on another thread - If YOU were in the position of being let down by your tyre supplier by bad performing equipment & the only way to win was to get your hands on the ones that would allow you to win, YOU would do the same. If you say no then you are either a Liar or a fool!!
Last point & the most important
All these guys are in a different world to any of us so for you to question their championchips is ....... ridiculous.
Rant Over!!!
I disagree strongly with this much-repeated nonsense. Sure, the ducati was considerably faster for about 4 races, but then the Honda and Yamaha closed the gap considerably by mid-season, and by years end there was little in it. Also, you would have to ask the other Ducati riders , like Capirossi and Barros thought of the "advantage" that the Ducati had. These are two of the top riders in motogp . Much the same as the "advantage" that Aprilia had with superfast "cube" motor. Ask Colin Edwards about how big an "advantage" that bike was. Starting to get the idea? Yes, raw speed alone does not make a gp winner. And now that Rossi is strugglng with a later derivation of the same bike that stoner won with in 2007, it looks far more plausible that Stoner won the title despite tha Ducati, not because of it. If anything , the Bridgestones gave him an edge over Rossi, but then none of the other Bridgestone riders performed as well as Casey. Could it be possible that raw talent had something to do with it?? Heaven forbid.
Can I say this has been very entertaining reading.
Ok, given we don't seem to be making much progress on the various ultimatums being discussed, can I throw another potential one in...(a new visitor to this forum so apologies if this is covered in another thread)
Rossi announces he's leaving Yamaha for Ducati in 2011. Hottest topic in the paddock for several weeks becomes the question of whether Yamaha will release Rossi to test for Ducati in Nov. Yamaha appear reluctant to do so, some might say for good reason.
Rossi continually improves his performance after his comeack from injury, culminating in a win in Malaysia.
Rumours then circulate (actually i think the rumours were out even before the Malaysia round) that Rossi's shoulder injury is so bad that he may not race the last 3 races due to needing urgent surgery. The media jump all over this, with speculation on whether he would show up at Phillip Island.
Phillip Island press conference, Yamaha announce they"ve agreed to let Rossi test the Ducati in Nov, and Rossi commits to completing the remaining races of the season, and continues to perform well.
So my question for the conspiracy theorists, does this look like another possible ultimatum? Could Rossi have forced Yamaha's hand on the permission to test decision by pulling the 'my shoulder is so bad i may not be able to race for you for the last 3 races of the year', forcing Yamaha's hand to give in and grant permission. Once a decision was reached, there was no more talk of the urgent operation, it was always going to wait until after the Ducati test. And clearly the shoulder was not too bad to prevent Rossi taking a very good win in Malaysia.
Is this more evidence of the 'off track' skills that some have highlighted, to go with his on track skills. Let's hear your thoughts.....
Ok, given we don't seem to be making much progress on the various ultimatums being discussed, can I throw another potential one in...(a new visitor to this forum so apologies if this is covered in another thread)
Rossi announces he's leaving Yamaha for Ducati in 2011. Hottest topic in the paddock for several weeks becomes the question of whether Yamaha will release Rossi to test for Ducati in Nov. Yamaha appear reluctant to do so, some might say for good reason.
Rossi continually improves his performance after his comeack from injury, culminating in a win in Malaysia.
Rumours then circulate (actually i think the rumours were out even before the Malaysia round) that Rossi's shoulder injury is so bad that he may not race the last 3 races due to needing urgent surgery. The media jump all over this, with speculation on whether he would show up at Phillip Island.
Phillip Island press conference, Yamaha announce they"ve agreed to let Rossi test the Ducati in Nov, and Rossi commits to completing the remaining races of the season, and continues to perform well.
So my question for the conspiracy theorists, does this look like another possible ultimatum? Could Rossi have forced Yamaha's hand on the permission to test decision by pulling the 'my shoulder is so bad i may not be able to race for you for the last 3 races of the year', forcing Yamaha's hand to give in and grant permission. Once a decision was reached, there was no more talk of the urgent operation, it was always going to wait until after the Ducati test. And clearly the shoulder was not too bad to prevent Rossi taking a very good win in Malaysia.
Is this more evidence of the 'off track' skills that some have highlighted, to go with his on track skills. Let's hear your thoughts.....
sounds a bit far fetched in my opinion. it's been reported that his shoulder was in a "critical" condition and i think the doctor said something to the effect of rossi being foolish because he kept riding with a bad shoulder injury. i doubt he did it as some sort of ploy to get yamaha to let him test the ducati in valencia. i remember he was planning on getting the surgery done early since, as far as he knew, he wouldn't be testing at valencia. but once yamaha allowed him to test, he decided to forgo the early surgery in order to get some time in on the ducati
I wasn't aware that Rossi was testing 07 spec bike with Brigdestone tyres specifically made to suit Ducati.
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Your Mom's House
Right, so I'm not Pinky anymore, I'm promoted to SuperShit, Thank you!
So now you've been proven wrong let me get this straight, you want me to LEAVE THE FORUM if you can show that somewhere buried in ten thousand odd posts you've stated that other riders also received overnight specials consistently, which essentially disproves your Key 'theory' on discrediting Rossi's success whilst riding with Michelin's. As far as I can remember, and I've only been actively posting for just over 12 months, you've only ever stated that Rossi's key ingredient to success was the overnight specials, and that he was the only one getting them, I've argued this point with you many times stating that others could also get them, and did get them.
Obviously you feel I'm worse than the likes of BM, Pinky and SuperShit and that I need to leave the forum because I'm challenging you on your opinions and calling for explanations based on facts, which you haven't yet provided.
Ok no problem, I'll go. Find me 'those' posts, and find me proof that any other riders had to pay for overnight specials.
Jumkie i can't believe that you are asking other forum member to leave, you need to take chill pill man
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Norah Head
After the Aragon race, Rossi told reporters (including myself) that he was unsure he would be able to finish the season, and he would try to race at the flyaways, and judge his performance from there. After Motegi, where his shoulder held up better than expected, he said he would probably continue for the rest of the season.
It's interesting to see how just one event can change things. We passed the last 3 years hearing that Stoner was winning only because Ducati's good performance. Now it's totally the opposite. Could you please be more coherent?
Ducati '07 was the fastest bike around at that time, because of engine power being so much above the others, because of the electronics (personalized Magneti Marelli ECU) and because of Bridgestone tires. Let's remember that Ducati was the main Bridgestone partner that developed their tires, so, the ....... tire did not get being the best one simply with magical spell.
Stoner is brilliant, he is an amazing rider. Thus, in 2007 we had the most talented rider added up with the best bike. The result is what we already know. Casey is not God. Give Casey a bike that can't win and he won't win, period.
We have had 3 to 4 Japanese manufactures (out of 5) in MotoGP for the past 15 years, the sport is "intoxicated" with Japanese style, the riders are used to japanese bikes simply because they make 90% of grid. The italian machine is not bad, is not a trash, it's simply different from what most riders are used to. The italian style have just engaged in MotoGP, and although I can't tell it will "fit" because of the ultra high Japanese influence, I know any hard rider can get to win with a different style machinery.
That is what you can expect from Rossi. Ducati bike is a winning machine and Rossi will be competitive. We can't say in how many time he will be able to do that, but I'm sure it won't take long since we're talking about Valentino Rossi and not about Nicky Hayden or Marco Melandri (with all respect).
Ducati '07 was the fastest bike around at that time, because of engine power being so much above the others, because of the electronics (personalized Magneti Marelli ECU) and because of Bridgestone tires. Let's remember that Ducati was the main Bridgestone partner that developed their tires, so, the ....... tire did not get being the best one simply with magical spell.
Stoner is brilliant, he is an amazing rider. Thus, in 2007 we had the most talented rider added up with the best bike. The result is what we already know. Casey is not God. Give Casey a bike that can't win and he won't win, period.
We have had 3 to 4 Japanese manufactures (out of 5) in MotoGP for the past 15 years, the sport is "intoxicated" with Japanese style, the riders are used to japanese bikes simply because they make 90% of grid. The italian machine is not bad, is not a trash, it's simply different from what most riders are used to. The italian style have just engaged in MotoGP, and although I can't tell it will "fit" because of the ultra high Japanese influence, I know any hard rider can get to win with a different style machinery.
That is what you can expect from Rossi. Ducati bike is a winning machine and Rossi will be competitive. We can't say in how many time he will be able to do that, but I'm sure it won't take long since we're talking about Valentino Rossi and not about Nicky Hayden or Marco Melandri (with all respect).
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Norah Head
Do we need to go through all that again?
How did any other Ducati rider go? .......... the Duc. looked crap
Rossi is/was the main personalised Mag. Marelli person ...... with all the same gear and also as we have since learned indeed using more of the features of the Mag.Mar. gear ...... eg. Yam and GPS mapping
time to move on ..... it not the end of 07, its now three years later and much of what you have said has been debunked long ago.
The story we are up to:
Ok so the Duc is a POS, Stoner was amazing to do what he did on it.
now the questions are:
Can Rossi and JB fix it and be competitive on it and when?
Oh and to be fair to the boppers:
Will Stoner stay on the Honda?
Do we need to go through all that again?
How did any other Ducati rider go? .......... the Duc. looked crapeven the post season test rides in 07 put Rossi's bike as easily the best sorted bike
Rossi is/was the main personalised Mag. Marelli person ...... with all the same gear and also as we have since learned indeed using more of the features of the Mag.Mar. gear ...... eg. Yam and GPS mapping
time to move on ..... it not the end of 07, its now three years later and much of what you have said has been debunked long ago.
The story we are up to:
Ok so the Duc is a POS, Stoner was amazing to do what he did on it.
now the questions are:
Can Rossi and JB fix it and be competitive on it and when?
Oh and to be fair to the boppers:
Will Stoner stay on the Honda?
Same goes for you as well BS but its seems your head is still stuck in 07.
Do we need to go through all that again?
Why again? I'm not remembering the time I have quoted 2007 season. About the other Ducati riders, maybe if you read my entire post you'll know my view about it.
BTW, I'm not a Rossi fan, but why are you so much negative about Rossi and Ducati? The guy have just ride the bike (and only one time), could you please await the modifications and changes be implemented before trolling every Rossi-Ducati thread with your opinion?
With all respect, everyone has already read your take about "Rossi will struggle, Ducati is .... and bla bla", then:
Do we need to go through all that again?
