Yes i think all the top riders will be keeping a close eye on Spies from now on, he is going in the right direction. But on the other hand, Spies has never been the type to take 'leaps forward'. His progress always seems fairly steady and gentle once he arrives in a class, he seems to be patient and methodical and not prone to brainwaves or inspirational changes in form.
Preziosi: Rossi is the greatest rider of all time
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Yes i think all the top riders will be keeping a close eye on Spies from now on, he is going in the right direction. But on the other hand, Spies has never been the type to take 'leaps forward'. His progress always seems fairly steady and gentle once he arrives in a class, he seems to be patient and methodical and not prone to brainwaves or inspirational changes in form.
I mentioned those races, because in those, Rossi and Lorenzo were both on their top form(with no injury as much as i remember), and Rossi won them, after a one to one battle or close racing.
My comment was a reply to Povel, who said if Lorenzo hadn't crashed he would have won 2009, and he compares Rossi's crash with 4 crashes of Lorenzo.
Nobody can say Rossi would have win this championship without his injury, and at the same time nobody can say he would have lose it for sure, if he wasn't injured.
Humiliation is Hayden getting his ... handed to him by his rookie countryman on a non factory bike
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Most riders in motogp wish to achive in their whole motogp history, just what Rossi achived in this year(his worst ever) and that's 2 race wins and finishing on the 3th place in world championship with 4 races less
I dont think Spies can challange Lorenzo in 2011, maybe a few rounds only, i dont see him to fight for the championship ieder, it's his first year, but if he does it, then he will become the next god in motogp.
But i think and expect to see more of him in 2012 with the new formula, as he says likes developing a bike.
But i think and expect to see more of him in 2012 with the new formula, as he says likes developing a bike.
Yamaha deny Valentino Rossi ultimatum
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/s...November/nov2510-yamaha-deny-rossi-ultimatum/
By Matthew Birt - 25 November 2010 09:47
Yamaha has denied Valentino Rossi’s decision to join rivals Ducati was the result of its failure to axe Spanish rival Jorge Lorenzo.
For months it has been rumoured that Rossi issued Yamaha with an ultimatum at the French Grand Prix in Le Mans declaring he would only sign a new two-year deal if Lorenzo was fired.
But Yamaha boss Lin Jarvis denied there was an ultimatum issued by the 31-year-old and he said: “We would be happy to have kept both riders.
"With Valentino we proposed a two-year contract extension but we were clear from the beginning we saw the team to be with Jorge and Valentino staying together.
"We realised it would have been difficult and it has not been super easy in the last three years because we’ve seen Jorge’s speed increasing and we’ve seen the rivalry among two great champions in the same team grow. It is not easy for that to continue and something has to give.
"I think the fact that Casey (Stoner) went to Honda meant that our competitors became very hungry and the final choice was Valentino took the Ducati option and Jorge decided to stay.”
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http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/s...November/nov2510-yamaha-deny-rossi-ultimatum/
By Matthew Birt - 25 November 2010 09:47
Yamaha has denied Valentino Rossi’s decision to join rivals Ducati was the result of its failure to axe Spanish rival Jorge Lorenzo.
For months it has been rumoured that Rossi issued Yamaha with an ultimatum at the French Grand Prix in Le Mans declaring he would only sign a new two-year deal if Lorenzo was fired.
But Yamaha boss Lin Jarvis denied there was an ultimatum issued by the 31-year-old and he said: “We would be happy to have kept both riders.
"With Valentino we proposed a two-year contract extension but we were clear from the beginning we saw the team to be with Jorge and Valentino staying together.
"We realised it would have been difficult and it has not been super easy in the last three years because we’ve seen Jorge’s speed increasing and we’ve seen the rivalry among two great champions in the same team grow. It is not easy for that to continue and something has to give.
"I think the fact that Casey (Stoner) went to Honda meant that our competitors became very hungry and the final choice was Valentino took the Ducati option and Jorge decided to stay.”
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"I think the fact that Casey (Stoner) went to Honda meant that our competitors became very hungry and the final choice was Valentino took the Ducati option and Jorge decided to stay.”
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This is the salient point and basically what j4rno has been saying. Even spies was I think already tied up by yamaha for 2011. Ducati may in fact have ended up with none of the current top 5 riders if valentino had not broken his leg.
"I think the fact that Casey (Stoner) went to Honda meant that our competitors became very hungry and the final choice was Valentino took the Ducati option and Jorge decided to stay.”
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This is the salient point and basically what j4rno has been saying. Even spies was I think already tied up by yamaha for 2011. Ducati may in fact have ended up with none of the current top 5 riders if valentino had not broken his leg.
I was told at Mugello that Rossi was already in talks with Ducati, and very close to signing a deal. Paolo Scalera had written a story about it in the Corriere dello Sport. So I think that Rossi was closer to a deal before breaking his leg than he was letting on.
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That's true. Still, for all I know, it was the accident (and consequently the loss of all hope of retaining the title with Yamaha) that cleared all doubts and made him sign.
There is undoubtedly a lot of truth in that. The sense I got was that prior to Mugello, Rossi was entertaining the idea (though fairly seriously). In the weeks that followed, paddock consensus switched from "he's thinking about it" to "I wonder when Ducati will announce the Rossi signing?"
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Nobody is questioning this reasonable train of thought. The BIG DEBATE was over whether or not Rossi
in fact made an ultimatum to Yamaha regarding their having to choose between keeping Rossi or Lorenzo.
The esteemed J4no has been asserting said ultimatum is strictly a product of the journos trying to create
sensationalist headlines - despite there being a direct quote to that effect by Rossi in a BBC interview.
I think there's no question in anyone's mind that were Lorenzo to have left
Yamaha (for whatever reason) to go to another maker - Rossi would have
stayed.
What of the admittedly vague rumours that dorna were prepared to subsidise rossi's salary at ducati ( for the presumed box -office gold of the all-italian dream team?).
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Well no ...., this undoubtely lowered his negotiation power, but thats not what is being debated now is it? The thread is about this bogus face saving denial by Yamaha that Rossi did not give them an ultimatum. When just about everything points to the opposite thanks to Rossi himself voicing his discontent with Yamaha regarding their Lorenzo relationship. What we have here is u spinning just like Yamaha. Ur so desperate to assign a more benign reasin for his switch. This is why u boys get tge resistance, because ur unwilling to admit, unable to see clearly, that Rossis motivations are sometimes a lower common denominator.
Rossi was just unhappy they didnt make him the center of the universe, something hes use to. He should be happier with Ducati despite saying several times he wanted to end his career on a Yamaha...now that Ducati "must improve for Rossi to be Rossi." the message is clear, "but the final judgment will be made by the BOSS, Valentino Rossi."
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It seems to me that it is you and a few others that are so desperate trying to demonstrate that Rossi has disgraced himself, lost face, been humiliated etc. etc. A picture of your wishfulness in this regard. imo.
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It seems to me that it is you and a few others that are so desperate trying to demonstrate that Rossi has disgraced himself, lost face, been humiliated etc. etc. A picture of your wishfulness in this regard. imo.
It seems to me that some of us have stated an inconvenient (to Rossi fans) truth - with no real rancor
- but some of you are determined to create a spin to dissuade people from believing what is so obvious
to any objective person. It's not Rossi that folks want to lampoon, it's the denial-ridden fans. I mean it's not
like anyone wants to rub your noses in it.... Oh hell, of course we do.
deny it - the funnier it gets.
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It seems to me that some of us have stated an inconvenient (to Rossi fans) truth - with no real rancor
- but some of you are determined to create a spin to dissuade people from believing what is so obvious
to any objective person. It's not Rossi that folks want to lampoon, it's the denial-ridden fans. I mean it's not
like anyone wants to rub your noses in it.... Oh hell, of course we do.Really, the more you all
deny it - the funnier it gets.
You have got many noses to rub in "it" then, if that's your chosen mission.
It's not just a few fans (or reasonable lovers of the sport) that are in supposed denial, it is the whole MotoGP world that is simply not perceiving things that way. Look around. How many riders, managers or serious commentators are subscribing to your point of view? Zero. They all hold Valentino Rossi in high esteem and respect his choices.
Yeah sure -- they are all a bunch of hypocrites.
True they do, but some of them also are of the opinion that Rossi's move away from Yamaha because he refused to be in the same team as an increasingly difficult to beat Lorenzo. What you seem to refuse is that these two opinions can go together, they are not mutually exclusive.
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Lovely contradiction thereIt seems to me that some of us have stated an inconvenient (to Rossi fans) truth - with no real rancor- but some of you are determined to create a spin to dissuade people from believing what is so obvious
to any objective person. It's not Rossi that folks want to lampoon, it's the denial-ridden fans. I mean it's not
like anyone wants to rub your noses in it.... Oh hell, of course we do.Really, the more you all
deny it - the funnier it gets.
Big rancor
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You have got many noses to rub in "it" then, if that's your chosen mission.
It's not just a few fans (or reasonable lovers of the sport) that are in supposed denial, it is the whole MotoGP world that is simply not perceiving things that way. Look around. How many riders, managers or serious commentators are subscribing to your point of view? Zero. They all hold Valentino Rossi in high esteem and respect his choices.
Yeah sure -- they are all a bunch of hypocrites.
That's one heaping helping of hearsay brother. But no worries, since you're such an insider... I'll just have to take your word for it.
Even, so, the Yamaha denial shows that they still Wished and were happy to hear more of those treats from Rossi, than to see him leave Yamaha.
Tell us how much pain does it give you everytime you see a great factory kisses Rossi's ..., i guess this will only get worse for you, as you will see more and more attention for him in his new team, than for your favorite rider who is been 2 years there.
Your only problem is that insteed of Hayden Rossi is the BOSS
