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I think MM93 is the favorite, Little Brother also looked very fast and could be a strong contender
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I am very certain little brother won’t be able to challenge MM, if he is fast MM is faster. AM did win titles in the other classes and has never really been on a good bike until now, certainly the Hondas he rode were horrible and I don’t think the GP23 was Ducati’s best ever effort either, particularly the start of the 2023 season version with which the satellite riders were reputedly provided last year.
So if AM although not untalented is fast on what is his first decent bike in the premier class, imo the rest of the field including Pecco should be absolutely terrified about what MM will do on that bike when he is actually racing for real. AM was not all that close to MM when both were riding GP23s.
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Provided MM stays on it. There are still tracks Pecco will be very, very good on. MM needs to accept that he can't always beat him. I am not 100% he can do that.
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Fair point. But if he has not learnt from the years of misery following the broken arm sustained in a pointless (literally) exercise to prove something to Fabio that will be on him. He has ridden circumspectly to win titles previously, and particularly if in obliterate Rossi’s records mode can probably do so again.
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Last year at some point Ducati stopped handing out most GP24 upgrades. It could have been to restrict parts to Martin who was leaving to Aprilia but leaving level playing field by not also giving the parts to Bagnaia. There could be some upgrades already for the GP24 and it wouldn’t surprise me to see those parts only go to the 3 factory riders so while all 6 Ducati riders will start on a level playing field it won’t stay that way
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I didnt say I think Alex would beat Marc, only that he is the next best contender based on testing.
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Sure, wasn’t meaning to have a go at you, just pointing out which everyone knows anyway that if Alex is competitive with the field now he is on a good bike in the GP24 that this should be very scary for the rest of the field,, given MM is also on a GP24 and was somewhat competitive on a GP23 last season. If pre-season testing has demonstrated anything imo it is that the GP23 or last season’s satellite version anyway wasn’t a great bike. I take a line through Bezzecchi as well who has been fast on an Aprilia after being nowhere all last season on a GP23.
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The change in the Michelin front didn’t suit the GP23 in 24
I’m still at odds to select 3rd in this years predictions, based on historical and the recent testing
I’m still at odds to select 3rd in this years predictions, based on historical and the recent testing
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Alex will definitely be a contender at the start of the year. But all the GP24's are going to drop off as the year goes on and the GP25 (or GP24.9) is developed.
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Marquez undoubtedly the favourite at this stage. But lets not pretend Pecco won't be strong. Despite not winning the title, he was dominant last season, he just didn't stay on enough. It could go right down to the wire.
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“Some will win. Some will lose. Some are born to sing the blues.”
How long will it take for Crafar to step in it?
How long will it take for Crafar to step in it?
I hope so, would make the season a lot more interesting.
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Honestly, that's a pretty accurate assessment. If Marc is as comfortable on the bike in the first race as these tests have suggested, it's game over. His only problem last year was a period of transition from Honda that took too long to extend the fight for the title into the final races and led to so many unnecessary crashes and mistakes.
As for Acosta - personally I don't believe in him and his hype. He's good but is he the next one like everyone painted him when he ran through Moto3? is he Rossi or Marquez of his age? Nah I don't think so. I also don't think he's capable of overcoming a speed deficit and holding off the satellite Ducatis. He's just one of those forever talented dudes that you're going to wonder why he's never panned out when it's all said and done.
I bet that Alex is going to be somewhere in there with the big bro and Pecco in the first half of the season and then Martin slowly but surely will figure out what the Aprilia is about, start pile up podiums and eventually complete the top-3.
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Neil in today's Paddock Pass Podcast mentioned that he had a chat with Jack Appleyard who was in touch with Davide Tardozzi. Davide mentioned that in Marc's race sim, he wasn't pushing anywhere near 100 percent
If this is true, then holy .....
Marc was a full 7/10ths clear of the only other rider who did a race sim with the same amount of laps, his brother Alex, who has been topping preseason testing. Admittedly Alex had some problems on his run, and we didn't see Bagnaia. But the statement tends to insinuate Marc had plenty in reserve.
If this is true, then holy .....
Marc was a full 7/10ths clear of the only other rider who did a race sim with the same amount of laps, his brother Alex, who has been topping preseason testing. Admittedly Alex had some problems on his run, and we didn't see Bagnaia. But the statement tends to insinuate Marc had plenty in reserve.
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I don't think Marc was pushing near 100% at any point of the testing which is pretty normal because..it's testing. What's more fascinating is that Bagnaia was nowhere near the top of the timesheets throughout the preseason. And if in Catalunya it seemed understandable, for Sepang it was strange cause last year he flexed some muscles there and set the pace for the rest. I am pretty sure he is going to show up in the first qualy right out of the gate anyway but it's still something to think about: is he a tad bit rattled by the change of the dynamics in the red garage? Bastianini looked like a lapdog his entire stint with them and now Pecco got somebody who can take everything he worked for so hard his whole career.
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That is a bit harsh I reckon. Out performed Binder in his first year on the bike and did threaten a race win or two. That KTM was not a GP24, or even GP23 Duke.
Yeah probably not the next MM but he still has talent imo.
I think that preseason testing finally clarified the hot topic of 2024 discussions: how much was the GP24 Better than the GP23?
A LOT.
So much that they'll keep the same (slightly upgraded) engine for 2 more seasons AND the same aero package for the beginning of this season.
So much that Bastianini looked like a fast rider, but now we can see he never was.
So much that Bez Is now back in shape on the Aprilia.
So much that Pecco (some 11 races winner) is lost in the fumes of other GP24 riders (MM, AM, Morbido), outshined even by a rookie (Aldeguer).
I'm Sorry we Lost Martin after 2 laps, because I was very curious to understand If he had It or not.
Sad but true, G24 was so good that no other bike was a decent competitor, so good that mediocre riders looked like title contenders.
I'm looking forward to the First races to see if MM will put the final word to the argument, or if Pecco Will prove me wrong, showing everyone that he was championship material and not the Jenson Button with double diffuser of motorbike racing.
A LOT.
So much that they'll keep the same (slightly upgraded) engine for 2 more seasons AND the same aero package for the beginning of this season.
So much that Bastianini looked like a fast rider, but now we can see he never was.
So much that Bez Is now back in shape on the Aprilia.
So much that Pecco (some 11 races winner) is lost in the fumes of other GP24 riders (MM, AM, Morbido), outshined even by a rookie (Aldeguer).
I'm Sorry we Lost Martin after 2 laps, because I was very curious to understand If he had It or not.
Sad but true, G24 was so good that no other bike was a decent competitor, so good that mediocre riders looked like title contenders.
I'm looking forward to the First races to see if MM will put the final word to the argument, or if Pecco Will prove me wrong, showing everyone that he was championship material and not the Jenson Button with double diffuser of motorbike racing.
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Had baby goat been on a GP24 its not if he would have won a race but how many.
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My nun would have won a race on gp24 last year. And yeah, she's better than Morbidelli.
If you're actually the baby goat, i need much more than a crash every two races after sitting in the leading group for like 5 laps. He outperformed Binder in qualis and some of the races but Binder has been more consistent which is to me a better measuring stick than a raw pace here and there.
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