Pedrosa speaks of Hayden

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DirtyD86 @ Nov 22 2007, 01:27 AM) [snapback]101819[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i remember reading that he never even tasted alcohol until his first time on the podium.


Is that suposed to be positive?
I go with a former Norwegian defence minister and she said "You can't trust people you haven't seen drunk"
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he is not out chasing women, when everyone knows he could have a monopoly on tail if he wanted.

Even more suspicios
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hes dedicated to a point that most others cant even touch

That's it, he's mad. Put him in chains

You are right, the guy is respectful, dedicated, hard working and all.
But it almost sounds like you think that others should not say anything negative about him because he is such a great guy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Eagle088 @ Nov 21 2007, 07:55 PM) [snapback]101774[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Pedrosa is the next Biaggi. The guy has an ego the 3 times his size. I am biased but Hayden has won a Moto GP title, Pedrosa has not. Stick with the proven results. Hayden works as hard or harder than anyone in the paddock and there is no ego ........ with him. The guy shows up, works hard, does his job and thats it. Never attacks anyone in the press and never makes excuses. Not to mention the U.S. sells 7 times as many bikes as Spain.


Pedrosa a massive ego? ........ so because he asks for specific improvements to help him go faster (you know, the aim of testing) and says that hayden may not be great at developing the 800 he's big headed ... you make me laugh. yes hayden works hard, yes hayden is a genuine nice guy, yes he's a good rider but that doesnt mean what dani said isnt true. just look at Dani's results compared to hayden's first 2 seasons and they speak for themselves...


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Nov 22 2007, 12:15 PM) [snapback]101867[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Pedrosa has refused to test again the 2008 bike until they implement all modifications he asked for, so he didn't go to Sepang with Hayden. I wouldn't consider that a positive de-facto feedback...

He will now test the 2008 proto again in Jerez. Unless he finds the bike 100% satisfactory after the changes he asked for, my guess is that he is going to ask Honda to keep using the 2007 Pedrobike...



ahh so thats why he isnt testing then... i wondered why he wasnt in sepang. what's the problem in wanting improvements and if he can't get them keeping the bike that got him 2nd in the championship? (i dont think this will happen though) why should he waste his valuable free time riding round a track if its not going to help him go faster?

at the end of the day, hayden and pedrosa are two different people with two different riding styles and two very different personalities, there are inevitably going to be clashes but i dont see what was insulting about what dani said in this interview. people are just using it as a reason to attack him. AGAIN.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(stop_killing_dead_things @ Nov 22 2007, 02:33 PM) [snapback]101876[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>........why should he waste his valuable free time riding round a track if its not going to help him go faster?
...........i dont see what was insulting about what dani said in this interview. people are just using it as a reason to attack him. AGAIN.


How can anybody know the results of testing in advance? A different track is already a huge change, worth another test. No, his refusal was a political statement - the new bike is ....., it is Hayden's baby, so I don't want any of it.

If you prefer not to see any offense in it, it's your own bias. Pedro has attacked Hayden heavily, questioning his professional ability to do his job. Maybe it is not an 'insult', but surely it is a comment that shows a total lack of appreciation. I'm sure if a colleague of yours said something equivalent about your work, you'd be upset.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(J4rn0 @ Nov 22 2007, 02:11 PM) [snapback]101884[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
How can anybody know the results of testing in advance? A different track is already a huge change, worth another test. No, his refusal was a political statement - the new bike is ....., it is Hayden's baby, so I don't want any of it.


So the question becomes WHO is the number 1 rider at Repsol HRC - Dani or Nicky?

- Dani came 2nd, and Nicky 8th in 2007

- Dani came 5th, and Nicky 1st in 2006

- Nicky has 5 years in GPs with 3 wins in MotoGP, and Dani has 7 years in GPs with 4 wins in MotoGP (27 wins in total).

- Nicky is 26 yo, and Dani is 22 yo

- Nicky has 1 world title, and Dani has 3 world titles.

In my view, Dani is still more impressive and can be around much longer than Nicky, and has a greater GP history.

Dani is the number 1 HRC rider though he may not be development mule that Nicky is...Dani is the Future for Repsol HRC, and Nicky is the past.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MigsAngel @ Nov 22 2007, 02:28 PM) [snapback]101888[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Dani is the number 1 HRC rider though he may not be development mule that Nicky is...Dani is the Future for Repsol HRC, and Nicky is the past.


They are gonna have problems with the Honda while these two indifferent riders are there.

How can someone that weights 49kg develop a bike for anyone else, and how can Nicky who likes to slide it out, would turn TC off if he could and has not adapted to the 800.

Honda let their best rider leave (Melandri) who they should have put on the factory team and let Nicky go to Gresini or somewhere else (Yamaha)

A few years ago they had Rossi then Sete and Biaggi all helping to develop the bike and it was good.

At the end of the day Nicky is a world champ and Dani isn't. So Nicky dosen't need to worry what comes out of Dani's mouth.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(pacman @ Nov 22 2007, 09:20 PM) [snapback]101927[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
At the end of the day Nicky is a world champ and Dani isn't. So Nicky dosen't need to worry what comes out of Dani's mouth.


Erm Dani is a 3 time world champ...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(pacman @ Nov 22 2007, 04:20 PM) [snapback]101927[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
At the end of the day Nicky is a world champ and Dani isn't. So Nicky dosen't need to worry what comes out of Dani's mouth.



you said it! this is a very simple way to summarize the entire thread

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Haga @ Nov 22 2007, 04:27 PM) [snapback]101928[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Erm Dani is a 3 time world champ...



on a 125 and 250cc. doesn't quite hold the same gravity as the premier class

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Haga @ Nov 22 2007, 09:27 PM) [snapback]101928[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Erm Dani is a 3 time world champ...


I was refering to the Premier class.

Anyways, this thread has been blown way out of proportion. All he said was he can't develop a bike. If he had said he was a ribbish rider, then I would understand.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(pacman @ Nov 22 2007, 09:43 PM) [snapback]101931[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
this thread has been blown way out of proportion.


the most (and possibly only) sensible thing said in this thread

we can all argue until we are blue in the face but at the end of the day we not going to get anywhere, none of us are going to change our opinion are we really? so that should be the end of it...

... but it won't

Okay Guys, You must not have eaten enough Turkey today(for the U.S. Guys)
Anways what a short/selective memory we have.

Did you guys forget that Hayden held out on signing a contract with HRC because he wanted to be the Number 1 rider. The debate at the time was how could HRC not have Hayden be the number 1 rider after he won them the Championship.

Haydens settled on his contract and signed on as "joint-number 1" rider. After the 800cc machine was revealed - the world knew who was the real number 1 and who the bike was developed for.

Alberto Puig/Pedrosa have had basically had their way with HRC. Let's remember Pedrosa had a 250cc bike built to suit his frame and he dominated and since he left 250cc HRC has not developed the bike and further.

This scenario was to be the case with Motogp. Hayden is not following Puig/Pedrosa's script. Hayden is a fly in Pedrosa's ointment- in classic HRC style you now have dueling teammates with very different styles and very different needs.

What Pedrosa needs to go fast and be comfortable may be and often is in stark contrast to what Hayden and the rest of the Honda riders need.

Has anyone thought about the reason why Hayden makes so many laps is that the changes to the bike is not what he his asking for and needs. Thus he must adapt to the changes while Pedrosa just steps up and rides.

Have we forgot that Hayden begged for upgrades to his clutch and other parts in 2006 that seemed to take months to reach his bike.

Pedrosa does not have part delays or neglect from Honda. I really do think that Hayden is being Biaggi'ed/Criville'd to make room for Dovizioso or whomever HRC/Puig is developing to be the future.

Bottom line Hayden is becoming the next Colin Edwards. Next to Dead last in response and support from HRC.

[quote name='Babelfish' date='Nov 22 2007, 08:19 AM' post='101874']
Is that suposed to be positive?
I go with a former Norwegian defence minister and she said "You can't trust people you haven't seen drunk"

Norwegian Defense Minister
How did she get that job?
Was she the fastest snowball thrower around?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Duc999 @ Nov 23 2007, 12:09 AM) [snapback]101948[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Okay Guys, You must not have eaten enough Turkey today(for the U.S. Guys)
Anways what a short/selective memory we have.

Did you guys forget that Hayden held out on signing a contract with HRC because he wanted to be the Number 1 rider. The debate at the time was how could HRC not have Hayden be the number 1 rider after he won them the Championship.

Haydens settled on his contract and signed on as "joint-number 1" rider. After the 800cc machine was revealed - the world knew who was the real number 1 and who the bike was developed for.

Alberto Puig/Pedrosa have had basically had their way with HRC. Let's remember Pedrosa had a 250cc bike built to suit his frame and he dominated and since he left 250cc HRC has not developed the bike and further.

This scenario was to be the case with Motogp. Hayden is not following Puig/Pedrosa's script. Hayden is a fly in Pedrosa's ointment- in classic HRC style you now have dueling teammates with very different styles and very different needs.

What Pedrosa needs to go fast and be comfortable may be and often is in stark contrast to what Hayden and the rest of the Honda riders need.

Has anyone thought about the reason why Hayden makes so many laps is that the changes to the bike is not what he his asking for and needs. Thus he must adapt to the changes while Pedrosa just steps up and rides.

Have we forgot that Hayden begged for upgrades to his clutch and other parts in 2006 that seemed to take months to reach his bike.

Pedrosa does not have part delays or neglect from Honda. I really do think that Hayden is being Biaggi'ed/Criville'd to make room for Dovizioso or whomever HRC/Puig is developing to be the future.

Bottom line Hayden is becoming the next Colin Edwards. Next to Dead last in response and support from HRC.


Well said Duc999, but remember that Hayden is also paying his attachment to mama Honda - he is staying there at all costs, even in the face of this evidence of Pedrosa privileged status.

He turned down an offer from Ducati... Yes, he was on Ducati's shopping list one or three lines above a certain Stoner! Want Honda so badly? Ok, enjoy it...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Duc999 @ Nov 22 2007, 11:09 PM) [snapback]101948[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>


What Pedrosa needs to go fast and be comfortable may be and often is in stark contrast to what Hayden and the rest of the Honda riders need.



This is the wrong way round. Hayden stands out further from a normal riding technique than Dani. It is dani who rides in the textbook grand prix style

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Duc999 @ Nov 23 2007, 12:09 AM) [snapback]101948[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Okay Guys, You must not have eaten enough Turkey today(for the U.S. Guys)
Anways what a short/selective memory we have.

And how different we view events

If Pedrosa was Rossi, 5 times champion, they might consider building the bike around him, but then again, they have such focus on the bike that Rossi left partly because he wasn't promissed the #1 status, so I wouldn't bet on it. As the rookie, the smallest rider in the padock there is no way they would design it around Dani. Honda build motorbikes and they focus on building the best bike and the best bike doesn't focus around a rookie. In 2007 that became a bike after Danis hart, allthough the changes were more of a visual illusion than real changes in size. (Hayden fans seems to forget that the bike has virtually the same mesurements as the 2006 bike.) Next years bike are more after Haydens hart allthough he is <u>now </u>firmly placed as the rider #2. If Honda made their desition based mostly on their favorite favorite rider how could that be possible? Applying your logic Hayden must be the #1 rider now, yes? One could argue that they finaly listen to Hayden as a development rider, but then again Pedrosa was significantly faster this year and should be the one playing a significant part in the direction of the development.
Could it be that Honda develop what they think is best, choosing to disregard advices from the best rider if that is against their development strategy? I think most will see that this is true for Honda and even true for most factories.

I do remember the clutch but I also remeber they, according to Nicky, did changes to it all the time. They didn't succede but that's different, I mean, it'snot like they didn't do any thing. Not unlike Rossi's engine situation this year, and tire situration the last two years.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 23 2007, 10:52 AM) [snapback]101994[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
This is the wrong way round. Hayden stands out further from a normal riding technique than Dani. It is dani who rides in the textbook grand prix style


My thoughts too.
And my guess is the bike were buildt for a more average height rider around (note rider, not person) and hayden is on the oposite extreme of Pedrosa in that matter.

Again, Honda have one goal, to build the best and fastest bike. Having five riders they balance the size and behaviour somewhere around the midle of that pack.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Nov 23 2007, 10:19 AM) [snapback]101999[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
And how different we view events

If Pedrosa was Rossi, 5 times champion, they might consider building the bike around him, but then again, they have such focus on the bike that Rossi left partly because he wasn't promissed the #1 status, so I wouldn't bet on it. As the rookie, the smallest rider in the padock there is no way they would design it around Dani. Honda build motorbikes and they focus on building the best bike and the best bike doesn't focus around a rookie. In 2007 that became a bike after Danis hart, allthough the changes were more of a visual illusion than real changes in size. (Hayden fans seems to forget that the bike has virtually the same mesurements as the 2006 bike.) Next years bike are more after Haydens hart allthough he is <u>now </u>firmly placed as the rider #2. If Honda made their desition based mostly on their favorite favorite rider how could that be possible? Applying your logic Hayden must be the #1 rider now, yes? One could argue that they finaly listen to Hayden as a development rider, but then again Pedrosa was significantly faster this year and should be the one playing a significant part in the direction of the development.
Could it be that Honda develop what they think is best, choosing to disregard advices from the best rider if that is against their development strategy? I think most will see that this is true for Honda and even true for most factories.

I do remember the clutch but I also remeber they, according to Nicky, did changes to it all the time. They didn't succede but that's different, I mean, it'snot like they didn't do any thing. Not unlike Rossi's engine situation this year, and tire situration the last two years.
My thoughts too.
And my guess is the bike were buildt for a more average height rider around (note rider, not person) and hayden is on the oposite extreme of Pedrosa in that matter.

Again, Honda have one goal, to build the best and fastest bike. Having five riders they balance the size and behaviour somewhere around the midle of that pack.


Its funny how people are convinced that Honda have been flip-flopping back and forth favouring each rider, when it is so unrealistic and out of Honda character. This years bike is small, but Honda have been into mass centralisation for years. Rossi insisted that the 990 was made bigger because Honda made it too small to begin with.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Duc999 @ Nov 22 2007, 11:09 PM) [snapback]101948[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Pedrosa does not have part delays or neglect from Honda. I really do think that Hayden is being Biaggi'ed/Criville'd to make room for Dovizioso or whomever HRC/Puig is developing to be the future.

Bottom line Hayden is becoming the next Colin Edwards. Next to Dead last in response and support from HRC.


I completely agree, and Hayden fans think he got shafted this year...wait until 2008....he is going to be treated like the proverbial 'red headed step child' by HRC...

Ducati did pursue Nicky above Stoner, but Ducati now have their super team with Casey and Marco in place for the next year ++, so Nicky is out of the factory Ducati team...but he could get lucky and get Guintoli's seat in 2009.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DirtyD86 @ Nov 22 2007, 09:28 PM) [snapback]101929[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
on a 125 and 250cc. doesn't quite hold the same gravity as the premier class



So someone winning 3 world title, or even let say Angel Nieto's 7 125 world titles (and 6 50cc titles) don't hold the same status as 1 very lucky MotoGP world title?

Tell me you are kidding, please.

Wish I had 125 & 250 championships to my name

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MigsAngel @ Nov 23 2007, 11:49 AM) [snapback]102007[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
So someone winning 3 world title, or even let say Angel Nieto's 7 125 world titles (and 6 50cc titles) don't hold the same status as 1 very lucky MotoGP world title?

Tell me you are kidding, please.

it winds me up when some say these smaller cc class championship mean nothing. it' close fairing bashing racing and only top racers win them imo.